Is My Friend A Conspirator?

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2008, 12:23:24 PM »
Rounding is not an accurate description of 1+1=3. As the numbers represented here are not actually 1 and 1.

When you round you are merely shortening the length of the representation. In essence, you arguement states:

1=1.4

Which, by the lights of reason, is not true.

If you have a digital readout that cannot produce the result 1.4, yet you have an analogue measurement that you know is 1.4, what will the digital readout say?
Now double your input. What will your output say?
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2008, 12:41:35 PM »

I deliver insults when they are needed.  The OP was an obvious troll.

You still haven't answered my question regarding how the first explorers found the south pole if it's actually not magentic south at all and how GPS works if there are in fact no satellites.

I dunno how you can call me a troll for asking questions about a theory as radical as the Flat Earth Theory. Or am I just meant to abandon my foolish belief that the Earth is round and accept it without questioning.

If you ask me, the only trolls on this forum are the Flat Earthers themselves. Not a single one of them actually truely believes that the Earth is flat. If they actually did genuinely believe then they would be on the first chartered flight out to this supposed "Ice Wall", photograph it and then become one of the most famous men in history.

The members of this site aren't trying to prove that the earth is flat at all. They just get a kick out of watching others going into ridiculous depth trying to prove something that is clearly true (i.e. the earth being round) and then either:
a) fobb it off with a lame statement like "Have you done this experiment yourself", "have you actually been on the flight from Sydney to Pretoria because otherwise what your saying is untrue".

b) come up with an even more ludicrous theory to explain away the obvious flaw in their model. "All the pilots are in on this conspiracy", "super fast jet streams enable airliners to rapidly travel around the southern hemisphere".


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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2008, 12:46:00 PM »
Rounding is not an accurate description of 1+1=3. As the numbers represented here are not actually 1 and 1.

When you round you are merely shortening the length of the representation. In essence, you arguement states:

1=1.4

Which, by the lights of reason, is not true.

If you have a digital readout that cannot produce the result 1.4, yet you have an analogue measurement that you know is 1.4, what will the digital readout say?
Now double your input. What will your output say?


You have a pretty crap A/D device  :o

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2008, 01:08:27 PM »
Pat Falvey, a lifelong friend of the family, reached the South Pole on the 8th of January 2008 along with 3 other members of his team, Clare O'Leary, Sean Menzies and Jonathan Bradshaw (I also happen to know Clare). They all returned home recently and are in quite good health apart from having lost a lot of weight and suffering from exhaustion but that is to be expected.

My question is, is my friend Pat a conspirator?


http://www.patfalvey.com/viewnews.php?id=4
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0108/southpole.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0109/southpole.html

Tom Bishop would certainly say yes.  Recently it seems he thinks there are more people involved in the conspiracy than live in the great state of Texas.
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2008, 03:41:47 PM »
He asked me to show him a proof where 1 + 1 = 3. Rounding errors can produce this sort of result. I've seen it in physics hundreds of times.

Yes, rounding errors.

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2008, 04:38:29 PM »
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if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2008, 08:41:56 AM »
My mind, nor the mind of any mathematicians is a digital readout. 1+1=3 may be a mistake made on some sort of steam powered calculator but for those who have an IQ of over 12 it is not a mistake that is made.

1+1=2 is an indubitable statement.

So, in essence, I have proved the theory wrong.

Thanks. I'll be off now.

Some flat earthers visited the philosophy society the other week at college. We owned their asses.

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2008, 08:54:12 AM »
My mind, nor the mind of any mathematicians is a digital readout. 1+1=3 may be a mistake made on some sort of steam powered calculator but for those who have an IQ of over 12 it is not a mistake that is made.

1+1=2 is an indubitable statement.

So, in essence, I have proved the theory wrong.

Thanks. I'll be off now.

Some flat earthers visited the philosophy society the other week at college. We owned their asses.

xD
And don't anyone even try the "1=2" argument.
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2008, 09:10:45 AM »

When rounding, you usually round the answer, not the question.



Very true
It's done all the time in industry.  Only in textbooks are the questions well defined.

Oh, GPS does not require satellites.

The magnetic 'south' pole is the outer radius of the FE.


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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2008, 09:45:42 AM »

When rounding, you usually round the answer, not the question.



Very true
It's done all the time in industry.  Only in textbooks are the questions well defined.

Oh, GPS does not require satellites.

The magnetic 'south' pole is the outer radius of the FE.

How do you tell the difference between a mathematician and an engineer?
Ask them what Pi is.
The mathematician will say : "Pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter, it is an irrational decimal that equates to roughly 3.14."
The engineer says: "It's about 3, but let's call it 10 just to be sure."
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2008, 10:05:15 AM »

When rounding, you usually round the answer, not the question.



Very true
It's done all the time in industry.  Only in textbooks are the questions well defined.

Oh, GPS does not require satellites.

The magnetic 'south' pole is the outer radius of the FE.

No. Surely you know that you treat significant figures to the same accuracy asked in the question. Both of the numbers given had one significant figure. You can't round 2 to 3, because you are implying an accuracy you do not have. You have an accuracy this way or that way, and it is understood that the sigfigs mean that it does not mean 2.00000000000000000000000000000000000000 so on. The point holds, 1+1=2, and I'm shocked that anybody would ever take an argument against that.

Sigfigs are a wonderful thing.
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2008, 10:08:13 AM »
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Sigfigs are a wonderful thing.

I hate them. Depending on what numbers you are using, you could get an answer that is WAY off from the actual one.

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2008, 10:19:05 AM »
No, they're absolutely necessary. The "actual answer", is actually a lie. If you give the "actual answer" you are implying a certain level of certainty that you do not have. It's like ...2.6 * 1.3

With sigfigs, you'd give 3.4, but the "actual answer" is 3.38. However, when you give 3.38, you are implying a level of certainty that you do not have. What if the measurement instruments were only accurate to two sigfigs(not unlikely)? Then you would be implying that your measuring capability was greater and more precise than it was, when the answer could actually have been anywhere from 3.1875 - 3.5775. Therefore, 3.38 is a false statement. 3.4, states that you do not know up to a little bit here and there, from around 3.2 to 3.6. However, 3.38 implies that you know somewhere between 3.36 to 3.40...
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2008, 10:21:21 AM »
I remember this one problem i had where the actual answer was 3260 but because of sigfigs it became 3000!

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fshy94

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2008, 10:23:24 AM »
Yes, but only because of uncertainty ;D... You don't know if it was anywhere from 2600-3400, or so on....
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The conspiracy has made it impossible to adequately explain FE theory in English.
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2008, 10:26:02 AM »
Damn uncertainty! Its your fault that the Schrodinger's cat exists!

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2008, 10:33:26 AM »
Hehe, I subscribe to decoherence theory, so said cat, is unfortunately not doing so well...:D It has a 50% chance of being dead...

Poor cat would have been better off playing Russian Roulette :D
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2008, 10:37:44 AM »
The 50% percent chance of being dead is simply mathematical in my mind. There is no half-dead cat.

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2008, 10:39:42 AM »
No, no, actually, decoherence says that poor cat cannot be half dead. Is there anybody left who supports the strict Copenhagen interpretation?
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2008, 10:40:47 AM »
I've seen a few. I should look into decoherence more though.

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2008, 05:10:54 PM »
No. Surely you know that you treat significant figures to the same accuracy asked in the question.
A well defined question in industry?  That would be a first.


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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2008, 05:18:29 PM »
Maybe in your field, but unless Z claims that this forum is an industry, he's wrong when he says that 1 + 1 can equal 3 when asked on this forum. Here, the question is defined clearly, 1 + 1. Now, is that even somewhat vague to you?

Let's say I ask 1 + 1 = x

What is x?

Would you put 3?

I didn't think so.
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The conspiracy has made it impossible to adequately explain FE theory in English.
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2008, 05:22:23 PM »
It's done all the time in industry.  Only in textbooks are the questions well defined.


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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2008, 05:28:08 PM »
Fair enough. My point isn't against you, its against Z, who said that 1 + 1 can equal 3, in this context.
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The conspiracy has made it impossible to adequately explain FE theory in English.
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2008, 05:39:39 PM »
I believe I said, in some examples 1 + 1 = 3.

if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2008, 07:01:42 PM »
I could program a computer to spit out "triceratops" when I input "1+1". That doesn't make 1+1=triceratops in any real way.

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2008, 07:13:47 PM »
10 cls
20 print
30 print
40 input "Enter your information :";query$
50 print
60 print query$;" = triceratops"
70 print
80 input "Press any key to continue....";any$
90 cls
100 print "dumbass...";
110 goto 100

<granted... that's reaching back to when I was like.. 9, but this doesn't deserve scripting. BASIC at best. ;D >
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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2008, 09:14:25 PM »
I could program a computer to spit out "triceratops" when I input "1+1". That doesn't make 1+1=triceratops in any real way.
Math isn't about "a real way".  Its explicitly is the opposite. 

Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2008, 09:43:49 PM »
Please. Your semantics are weak, and my point stands.

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Re: Is My Friend A Conspirator?
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2008, 09:45:08 PM »
in your mind, maybe.
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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