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In essence, if you ask the binomial expansion of consistency shown that the cosine, length, and then we can conclude that the angle of the rise in that area is 180 degrees, which is impossible, because it means that the sun during the above The Samoa spot. However, if you look at that Reciprical and take into account the nature of the Handels-left rule, then we can go through the calculation that the sun rotates at 66.426,228 (3.sf) meters per second, if that is the case, then sonicbooms consistently produce, we certainly hear that the I tell that the figures are far!

3000 is not my calculation, its an approximation accepted by FES, and the relative distance is supported by the observations of your own eyes when you look out the window.

It is most certainly not millions of km's, as you claim.

Essentially if you apply a binomial expansion using the congruency shown by the cosine of the lengths, then we can draw the conclusion that the angle of elevation will be in the region of 180 degrees, which is impossible as this means the sun would remain over the same point. However if you look at the reciprical and take into account the nature of Handels left hand rule, then we can deviate through calculus that the sun spins at 66426.228(3.s.f) meters per second, if this was the case, then it would be constantly be producing sonicbooms, which surely we would hear, i reckon your figures are way off!!!

Quote from: ILOVESPHERES on May 15, 2008, 12:25:14 PM

Essentially if you apply a binomial expansion using the congruency shown by the cosine of the lengths, then we can draw the conclusion that the angle of elevation will be in the region of 180 degrees, which is impossible as this means the sun would remain over the same point. However if you look at the reciprical and take into account the nature of Handels left hand rule, then we can deviate through calculus that the sun spins at 66426.228(3.s.f) meters per second, if this was the case, then it would be constantly be producing sonicbooms, which surely we would hear, i reckon your figures are way off!!!

This post beats every other in number of things i had to google in order to understand it. Moreover, there are some that i simply couldnt find:

1. I cannot find a definition for reciprical anywhere. Did you possibly mean:
Reciprocal - Used to denote different kinds of mutual relation;
        often with reference to the substitution of reciprocals
        for given quantities.


If not, could you please explain (here or in pm) what reciprical is? English is not my native language.

2. What is Handels left hand rule? The only left hand rule i know is the Fleming's one.

3. Could you/someone therefore explain, prefferably in simple words, why should sun spin at that speed? Complete proof is of course not neccessary, i need a way to grasp the idea.

Quote from: Anderkent on May 15, 2008, 01:10:39 PM

Quote from: ILOVESPHERES on May 15, 2008, 12:25:14 PM

Essentially if you apply a binomial expansion using the congruency shown by the cosine of the lengths, then we can draw the conclusion that the angle of elevation will be in the region of 180 degrees, which is impossible as this means the sun would remain over the same point. However if you look at the reciprical and take into account the nature of Handels left hand rule, then we can deviate through calculus that the sun spins at 66426.228(3.s.f) meters per second, if this was the case, then it would be constantly be producing sonicbooms, which surely we would hear, i reckon your figures are way off!!!

This post beats every other in number of things i had to google in order to understand it. Moreover, there are some that i simply couldnt find:

1. I cannot find a definition for reciprical anywhere. Did you possibly mean:
Reciprocal - Used to denote different kinds of mutual relation;
        often with reference to the substitution of reciprocals
        for given quantities.


If not, could you please explain (here or in pm) what reciprical is? English is not my native language.

2. What is Handels left hand rule? The only left hand rule i know is the Fleming's one.

3. Could you/someone therefore explain, prefferably in simple words, why should sun spin at that speed? Complete proof is of course not neccessary, i need a way to grasp the idea.

I'm thinking that it's a case of "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with B.S."

Quote from: ILOVESPHERES on May 15, 2008, 12:25:14 PM

Essentially if you apply a binomial expansion using the congruency shown by the cosine of the lengths, then we can draw the conclusion that the angle of elevation will be in the region of 180 degrees, which is impossible as this means the sun would remain over the same point. However if you look at the reciprical and take into account the nature of Handels left hand rule, then we can deviate through calculus that the sun spins at 66426.228(3.s.f) meters per second, if this was the case, then it would be constantly be producing sonicbooms, which surely we would hear, i reckon your figures are way off!!!

Narcberry, is that you?

I'm starting to really like you markjo, you spot these things well

1. Reciprocal is a more complex, too complex if you ask me, for of finding the reverse of an equation, it is done by factorising the coefficients within a formula, then multiplying out and dividing by the common factor in reference to the previouslt identified coefficient series.
2. Handel's left rule states, that light rays coming from the sun, or any other stars, cannot be refracted in certain ways, depending on the speed of rotation, the left hand element is somewhat irrelevant.
3. The reason for this speed being calculated, is due to the derivation of first finding the reciprocal, then substituting values into the equation having made a correlation between the suns ray exposure and its refraction, then you come out with the figure previously quoted.

I'm going to break THE NEWS TO YOU NOW, YOUR ALL INSANE WHAT IS YOUR DEFECT?!! Clearly the earth is nice and round, like a peach.
I am a well cultured boy from a background of religious beleivers, rumor has it, that the world was made by god, why would he build it like a monopoly board? Surley he would be far more satisfied with a smooth round product, similar to a tennis ball given to a little boy!! As we all know, god had a long flowing beard, it was so lucious, that it was the envy of many men, i ask you this, if god needed to cut and shape his fine beard, and the world was flat, surely when he whips out his gillete fusion for a sesh, his beardy fur clippings would sprinkle all over the earth? That doesn't happen, so in conclusion you are all ridiculous.
Lots of love,
Burger nips

In essence, if you ask the binomial expansion of consistency shown that the cosine, length, and then we can conclude that the angle of the rise in that area is 180 degrees, which is impossible, because it means that the sun during the above The Samoa spot. However, if you look at that Reciprical and take into account the nature of the Handels-left rule, then we can go through the calculation that the sun rotates at 66.426,228 (3.sf) meters per second, if that is the case, then sonicbooms consistently produce, we certainly hear that the I tell that the figures are far!

Quote from: ILOVESPHERES on May 15, 2008, 12:25:14 PM

In essence, if you ask the binomial expansion of consistency shown that the cosine, length, and then we can conclude that the angle of the rise in that area is 180 degrees, which is impossible, because it means that the sun during the above The Samoa spot. However, if you look at that Reciprical and take into account the nature of the Handels-left rule, then we can go through the calculation that the sun rotates at 66.426,228 (3.sf) meters per second, if that is the case, then sonicbooms consistently produce, we certainly hear that the I tell that the figures are far!

Anyone who thought he actually meant this nonsense, is an idiot.

Quote from: ILOVESPHERES on May 15, 2008, 12:25:14 PM

In essence, if you ask the binomial expansion of consistency shown that the cosine, length, and then we can conclude that the angle of the rise in that area is 180 degrees, which is impossible, because it means that the sun during the above The Samoa spot. However, if you look at that Reciprical and take into account the nature of the Handels-left rule, then we can go through the calculation that the sun rotates at 66.426,228 (3.sf) meters per second, if that is the case, then sonicbooms consistently produce, we certainly hear that the I tell that the figures are far!

Anyone who thought he actually meant this nonsense, is an idiot.

Some people dont think they are omniscient and try to analyse a post before taking it as bullshit. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Is asking for an explanation such a bad thing?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 17, 2008, 09:53:46 AM

In fact, planes from South America don't go to South Africa at all. There are very few international airports in South Africa, you see.

Oh good, a verifiable fact.
SA023 is a non stop flight from Sao Paulo to Jo'burg. It flies every day of the week
It has a flight time of approximately 11 hours.
How fast must it fly to do it in that time on your FE model?

Larf, there are only a few reasonable FE'ers who post alot here, and Tom is not one of them. If you want reasonable discussion with a FE'er, try Username, Dogplatter, and maybe some of the more recent guys(I haven't yet seen enough of Ski and eht_ehsan to make a judgment on them)

No, not really, it would be a mistake to think that. Most of the serious FE'er treat him as a joke, and pretend to look to him as authority for a laugh. Really, just step back a moment, read his posts, and you'll see he's excellent comic relief.

From reading many of the threads the FE'ers appear to treat TB like some sort of authority.

Quote from: Youre avin a larf on May 14, 2008, 03:08:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 17, 2008, 09:53:46 AM

In fact, planes from South America don't go to South Africa at all. There are very few international airports in South Africa, you see.

Oh good, a verifiable fact.
SA023 is a non stop flight from Sao Paulo to Jo'burg. It flies every day of the week
It has a flight time of approximately 11 hours.
How fast must it fly to do it in that time on your FE model?

Come on.

Is there no FE'er who can tell me on the basis of your model how far it is from Sao Paulo to Jo'burg.

Tom Bishop: Are you not bothered that something you have stated as fact "there are no flights.." is so easily shown to be wrong. Isn't it a bit dishonest to not either acknowledge you are wrong or, I dunno, claim everyone at SAA is in on the conspiracy?

I certainly do not speak for FE'ers.  But based on the evidence at hand, I do believe the world to be flat.

The problem is that we do not have an accepted map.

If you really want to pursue the point, you can make the same arguments without the map.  Assume distance Sao Paulo to Jo'burg is X.  Conclude that distance from City 1 and City 2 must be more than Y.  If FE makes X shorter, than Y must be longer.

I really don't think you'll get anywhere with the argument however.  (1) significant effect of jetstreams (example provided cut flight time by 1/3), (2) the non-linear routes, and (3) the fact that most flights are not directly between continents. 

Flight time is a fluid, moving target.  People guage it by how long it seems to ordinarily take, not how long it looks on RE map.

I've heard that argument before, and I dispute for the following reasons.

1. Whether or not jetstreams could do it, they're not observed in that area. There are no siginificant jet streams in the Southern hemisphere.

2 & 3. If that was so, we would see significant time/distance/speed problems, as I think we can agree that with jetstream or no, if a plane like this breaks the sound barrier, it would be destroyed. Therefore, our maximum speed is Mach 1, and that simply is not possible.

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Flight time is a fluid, moving target.  People guage it by how long it seems to ordinarily take, not how long it looks on RE map.

I think you'll find that most people gauge time with a watch.
Either everyone on the plane has to be in on the conspiracy or every plane spookily lands very, very late.

The answer to this will appear on the A340 thread.