Creationism

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Bushido

Re: Creationism
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2008, 03:28:55 PM »
tl;dw

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2008, 03:53:51 PM »
That was priceless, Trekkie. :)
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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[][][]

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2008, 04:07:48 PM »
Ah. I remember this guy, lol.

Heres one where he says the Earth is ~6000 years old.

The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us. -Some Frenchy

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2008, 04:16:37 PM »
That guy is really retarded.

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Bushido

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2008, 04:19:30 PM »
He made some intersting arguments, though. However, I found too many hidden assumptions in the last video posted. Can you tell which ones are those? If we make a systematic disproof of these, than perhaps many creationists will seize to spam my interwebz.

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2008, 04:21:50 PM »
He goes on and on about what the Bible says, not grasping that everything he says his moot because the vast majority of the Old Testament is false.

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Bushido

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2008, 04:28:21 PM »
He goes on and on about what the Bible says, not grasping that everything he says his moot because the vast majority of the Old Testament is false.

I'm talking about the video posted by [][][], not the hexology in the OP.

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2008, 04:42:50 PM »
Wow. I'm subscribing to this guy. ;D

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2008, 04:53:43 PM »
Is he kidding?

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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2008, 04:58:28 PM »
He goes on and on about what the Bible says, not grasping that everything he says his moot because the vast majority of the Old Testament is false.

I'm talking about the video posted by [][][], not the hexology in the OP.

It's the same guy.

Re: Creationism
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2008, 06:08:00 PM »
This is a complete Kent Hovind knock off.  Word for word this guy took what Hovind said and simply made YouTube videos.  Even his tone of voice is a copy of Hovind's.  If you want the real deal to laugh at, download Kent Hovind's videos (it's actually completely legal) and get your laughs there (I actually had to stop after a few because I was about to kill my computer with the rage caused by his idiocy).

I actually know a kid just like this.  He's in my (stupid) English class and copies Hovind word for word, tone for tone, just like this kid.  I shut him down when he did a presentation on scientific 'proof' of Creation, and after that he stopped talking to me completely.

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2008, 08:30:21 PM »
Well, I have not had time to look up many of his claims, but here are the arguments I did.

The comet tail argument is silly. In this video, the guy cliams that the movement of the comet causes comet's loss of mass. The way he describes this is with a snowball being thrown and loosing mass. I really don't know what to say about this but that his ideas of what causes the comet's tails are very wrong.

Astronomers attribute the comets degeneration of mass to the radiation emitted by the sun (This being the cause of the dust tail and the ion tail of a comet), which is the reason the tail points away from the sun.

Anyways, the fellow describes this loss of mass as constant, which is one thing that is wrong. A comet closer to the sun would experience more intense radiation and would lose more mass per unit time than a comet farther from the sun.
In this way the rate of the loss of mass of a comet is not constant but variable, the maximum being when the comet is at the closest point to the sun in its orbit (there is a name for this characteristic of an ellipse, though I forget what it is).

The orbits many of the long lived comets are very large and extend huge distances outside of the solar system.

He argues that large comets have lifespans of thousands of years only (have been able to find anything confirming this.) The Hale-Bopp comet, for instance, has a 4,200 year period (The period is the total time to make an orbit). Considering this is not its first perihelion, the very fact that it has been around this long and its unremarkable size is very contrary to his ideas of how a comet should lose mass. This is described here (and on the wiki page about this comet):
http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/space/solar-system/comets-age.html

Anyways, the point of this is he seems to disregard the possibility that new comets can form (In reigons such as the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud). I might agree that if NO new comets were formed for billions of years, that the ones that existed may have sublimed away, but that just is not the case. That part seems to hinge on the assumption that (if the 4.5 billion earth is correct) all of the comets in existance were formed billions of years back and should all be that old. He also makes some incorrect claims as to the "ice and rock mixing" to form a comet, and assumes that comets are God's creations therefore.

His analogy for how a comet shed it's mass is kind of stupid also, because a few minutes back in the video he makes a big point to explain that space is a (practically) friction less enviornment. What else would cause the comet to lose that much of its mass but the solar wind? (Should not the dust/ect. otherwise be attracted to the nucleus of the comet because of the gravitation caused by the mass?) 

Many of his other points hinge on incorrect conclusions.(I believe he disregards the fact that starlight takes a finite amount of time to reach Earth depending on their distance from Earth). He also claims Earth is the center of the Universe. But the whole video is just so long and wrong that it would take some time to discuss everything wrong that he said.

I'm not an expert on astronomy or physics so I may be wrong on some points here.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2008, 10:46:14 PM by [][][] »
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us. -Some Frenchy

Re: Creationism
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 09:02:02 PM »
This guy must have been fathered by fail and raised by stupid.

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2008, 09:05:29 PM »
and her other sister stupid
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2008, 09:24:34 PM »
U SUK

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2008, 11:40:19 PM »
I like how he even denies nuclear fusion. He does raise some interesting facts about abiogenesis, but ignores the modern scientific proposition of life originating on a planet without oxygen (thus making the formation of left-handed amino acids much easier) and coming to earth on a comet or asteroid.

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2008, 06:11:53 AM »
"We can't convert hydrogen into higher elements, therefore chemical evolution...is impossible."

::) Right... No research into the subject at all, no looking into fusion which pretty much halts his argument right there, just, "It's impossible".

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2008, 09:27:31 AM »
If I say it is, it must be so! :D
Proof the Earth is round!
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2008, 09:42:25 AM »
I like how he even denies nuclear fusion. He does raise some interesting facts about abiogenesis, but ignores the modern scientific proposition of life originating on a planet without oxygen (thus making the formation of left-handed amino acids much easier) and coming to earth on a comet or asteroid.

Actually that's panspermia, which isn't taken seriously by any outside of a minority of scientists (though that minority does include such notable figures as Francis Crick, one of the discoverers of DNA). The mainstream view is that Earth was once a reducing atmosphere with very little oxygen, which seems to be borne out by the evidence. To early life, oxygen would have been a poison (as it still is to some so-called 'extremophile' organisms today). When photosynthetic bacteria emerged, raising oxygen levels, organisms were forced to adapt.
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fshy94

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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2008, 10:04:17 AM »
Yeah, well both Watson and Crick have gone senile. ::) The proposition of life originating on an asteroid even harsher than our own planet is quite ludicrous.
Proof the Earth is round!
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19341.0

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The conspiracy has made it impossible to adequately explain FE theory in English.
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2008, 10:05:03 AM »
When photosynthetic bacteria emerged, raising oxygen levels, organisms were forced to adapt.

The cyanobacteria, usually credited for the oxygen atmosphere, are still around after 3.8 billion years.

 I had them crammed into my brain for three months by a biology professor who was blue-green nutty.  She was in love with pond scum.

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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2008, 11:03:59 AM »
Yeah, well both Watson and Crick have gone senile. ::) The proposition of life originating on an asteroid even harsher than our own planet is quite ludicrous.

Althalus' proposition was only that left-handed amino acids emerged on an asteroid, which is entirely plausible as we've found meteorites with nearly a hundred different amino acids including nearly all of those found in modern terrestrial life. However, there's no reason for them to have so arisen, as current evidence indicates the conditions would have been just fine on Earth as well. Of course, Crick and company do go considerably farther than Althalus in their panspermist claims.
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2008, 01:34:57 PM »
This guy is an idiot. Life evolving from non-life does not equal abiogenesis. Has he never heard of  PNA? Besides, he throws around probabilities like they mean something. With the sheer number of planets out there, the probability says that life has to form on a few of them.

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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2008, 05:29:33 PM »
And like every other creationist in the world, he fails to realize that neither Abiogenesis nor the Big Bang have anything to do with evolution.

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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2008, 05:32:09 PM »
Life evolving from non-life does not equal abiogenesis.

Err, yes it does, that's kind of the definition of the term.
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2008, 06:20:08 PM »
abiogenesis is life poofing into existence from nothing. However, in reality, amino acids were formed in the primordial soup and eventually became PNA, which became organic molecules.

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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2008, 07:45:54 PM »
abiogenesis is life poofing into existence from nothing. However, in reality, amino acids were formed in the primordial soup and eventually became PNA, which became organic molecules.

'Spontaneous generation' is life poofing into existence from nothing. 'Abiogenesis' is the general term for any way by which life may arise from non-life, of which spontaneous generation is a subcategory. Also, you should refrain from stating as certainties hypotheses, such as the 'RNA-world' hypothesis and its variants, which as yet do not have conclusive supporting evidence.
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2008, 02:22:31 PM »
Kent Hovind is everything that kid wants to be.  Minus the 10 years in prison, of course.