Creationism

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2008, 05:32:18 PM »
Oh God, Kent Hovind taught science, yet he doesn't even understand the basics of it.  To his standards of science, since not every human who has ever lived has been asked if they have ever seen a dinosaur, you can not conclude that there is no reason to believe humans lived at the same time dinosaurs did (kind of like what's accepted now).  Of course, fossil dating, results, and comparisons are ignored.

Also, theres the time(s) (he brings this up quite a few times, actually) when he states we know humans used to live to be 900 years old, then 600, then 200 etc. etc. because IT SAYS IT IN THE BIBLE (this being real science, and an actual fact).

I hate Hovind.

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2008, 09:15:36 AM »
Here's what's funny:  The Pope subscribes to evolution. 

One of my favorite quotes on this same subject is by Matthew Chapman (the great grandson of Charles Darwin): 
It requires so little proof on one hand and so much on the other.  People will inform you that Jesus was born of an angelic-impregnated virgin and walked on water "because it was in the Bible," but think nothing of telling you with a sniff of contempt that evolution is "just a theory, ain't no proof."

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2008, 10:47:11 AM »
"This myth of Christ has served us well over the years"
So long and thanks for all the fish

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2008, 11:31:37 AM »
Christ, I got two minutes into the second one before I had to close the window before I hit my laptop screen. It's videos like this that will end the world. Of course, that's what he wants.
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« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2008, 11:41:10 AM »
"Religion is what the foolish man sees as true, the wise man sees as false and the ruler sees as useful."
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2008, 12:13:26 PM »
Wow....I just watched some of these videos. Anyone who gets upset when watching this indignant surety has some true Socratic spirit in them.
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« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2008, 01:30:50 PM »
Christ, I got two minutes into the second one before I had to close the window before I hit my laptop screen. It's videos like this that will end the world. Of course, that's what he wants.

I had the same problem.  After you watch a couple, you need to space them out quite a bit (as in weeks) to prevent damage to valuables.

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2008, 01:33:52 PM »
Christ, I got two minutes into the second one before I had to close the window before I hit my laptop screen. It's videos like this that will end the world. Of course, that's what he wants.
Tell me about it, I had an almost uncontrollable urge to find his house and beat him to death with a Bible. (One of the extra-large versions)
I had the same problem.  After you watch a couple, you need to space them out quite a bit (as in weeks) to prevent damage to valuables.
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« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2008, 02:33:55 PM »
"Religion is what the foolish man sees as true, the wise man sees as false and the ruler sees as useful."
"It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion"
 - Francis Bacon

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« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2008, 04:04:30 PM »
Bacon is pompous.  That statement epitomizes that which I detest most about "holier-than-thou" religious proponents. 

Re: Creationism
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2008, 05:03:08 PM »
Whoever CA quoted is pompous. That statement epitomizes that which I detest most about "more-rational-then-thou" atheism proponents.

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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2008, 05:27:50 PM »
Here is a very exciting new publication out of Liberty University! 

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Abstract:
The world of germs and microbes has received much attention in recent years. But where do microbes fit
into the creation account? Were they created along with the rest of the plants and animals in the first week
of creation, or were they created later, after the Fall. These are some questions that creation microbiologists
have been asking in recent years. Ongoing research, based on the creation paradigm, appears to provide
some answers to these puzzling questions. The answers to these questions are not explicit in Scripture, so the
answers cannot be dogmatic. However, a reasonable extrapolation from biological data and Scripture
can be made about the nature of microbes in a fully mature creation. This article attempts to provide
reasonable answers to when microbes were created and is meant to stimulate discussion and further
research in this area.

Very little has been written in Bible commentaries or in creation literature on the subject of when
microbes were created. Some have postulated that microbes were created on a single day of Creation,
such as Day Three—when the plants were made. This is partially due to the “seed-like” characteristics that
bacteria and fungi have—therefore classifying microbes as plants. In addition, we observe microbes (such
as Escherichia coli) isolated in the lab and we tend to think of microbes as individual entities much like birds
or fish or animals and, therefore, created on a single day. However, in nature, the vast majority of microbes
live in biological partnerships, not in total isolation. The natural symbiosis of microbes with other creatures is
the norm. Therefore, we postulate that microbes were created as “biological systems” with plants, animals,
and humans on multiple days, as supporting systems in mature plants, animals, and humans. This idea
is further supported by the work of Francis (2003). Francis calls microbial symbiotic systems a biomatrix,
or organosubstrate. He proposes that microbes were created as a link between macroorganisms and a
chemically rich but inert physical environment, providing a surface (i.e., substrate) upon which multicellular
creatures can thrive and persist in intricately designed ecosystems. From the beginning, God made His
creation fully mature, and complex forms fully formed. This would ensure continuity and stability for the
times to come. Although we cannot be certain as to specifically when the Creator made microbes, it is
within His character to make entire interwoven, “packaged” systems to sustain and maintain life

The entire article is available here: http://71.56.199.51:2453/creation.pdf

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2008, 06:13:12 PM »
Whoever CA quoted is pompous. That statement epitomizes that which I detest most about "more-rational-then-thou" atheism proponents.

I would rather consider myself to be superior rationally and be able to prove it than claim myself to be holier and rely on your faith to accept it.
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« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2008, 06:49:52 PM »
I was referring to the notion that religion by necessity makes one less rational.

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« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2008, 06:51:29 PM »
I was referring to the notion that religion by necessity makes one less rational.

lol, I guess my comments are way off today. Too many assumptions I suppose really. I'll definitely try to be less assuming in the future. /not sarcastic
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« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2008, 06:51:57 PM »
Whoever CA quoted is pompous. That statement epitomizes that which I detest most about "more-rational-then-thou" atheism proponents.

To be fair, its true regarding what people see it as, especially in the probable time frame of whoever said it. Most commoners believed in religion, quite a few aristocrats didn't(although, I grant, most did), but rulers saw religion as useful. One military leader(I think it was Napoleon) said something along the lines of "I see of no use of religion, except that it serves as a great uniter of men".
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« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2008, 06:58:36 PM »
I can admit that without knowledge of evolution I would probably reason that there must be a creator. Most philosophers of interest had no or very little understanding of the elegant explanation for the origins of life.
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2008, 07:01:37 PM »
The problem is that evolution does nothing to explain how anything got here in the first place.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2008, 07:05:07 PM »
The problem is that evolution does nothing to explain how anything got here in the first place.

1. That's not really a problem with evolution, which has nothing to do with that.

2. There are several very good theories, and abiogenesis is not that bad a theory, considering that under simulated early Earth conditions, quite a few of life's amino acids were there, and so on.
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2008, 11:04:12 PM »
You're right that evolution does not explain the origins of matter/energy but it does seem to eliminate the creationist arguments for the complexity of the world being clear evidence of a required designer. I am definitely not as strongly against the notion of a prime mover (though I can logically refute it rather well) as I am against the biblical creation account and a personal god involved in the dealings of the world. It is not much different from a Homeric pantheon of gods and goddesses.
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« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2008, 03:34:25 AM »
Whoever CA quoted is pompous. That statement epitomizes that which I detest most about "more-rational-then-thou" atheism proponents.
And yet you think yourself better than atheists because you believe in God. I have nothing against people of faith, even if they have this viewpoint. What I do not like is the idea of religious people imposing their faith upon science. Creation "Science" for one.
Science asks how whilst Religion asks why (or who).
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« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2008, 04:14:37 AM »
You've said earlier that you hope that the notion of God disappears or loses power over time. It follows then that you believe atheists to be better then Theists/Deists.

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« Reply #82 on: February 10, 2008, 04:16:54 AM »
I'd be lying if I denied it. But I respect people beliefs, if you choose to believe in almighty God then who am I to argue.
But I can't stand creation science.
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« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2008, 04:17:46 AM »
Neither can I.

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« Reply #84 on: February 10, 2008, 04:18:42 AM »
Neither can I.
There's something we agree on. I say we should agree to disagree on stuff regarding God.
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« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2008, 04:23:08 AM »
In due time perhaps.

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« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2008, 04:30:15 AM »
Tell you what, if I die and end up in hell, I owe you a beer.
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« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2008, 04:36:02 AM »
Theres actually no consumption of food in heaven, so I'd have to turn you down.

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« Reply #88 on: February 10, 2008, 04:42:02 AM »
Theres actually no consumption of food in heaven, so I'd have to turn you down.
Shame. What about the really long chopsticks?
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« Reply #89 on: February 10, 2008, 04:55:17 AM »
I don't get it.