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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2006, 12:49:38 PM »
That never happened.
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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2006, 07:59:29 PM »
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Treating this book as a source of scientifically good and correct knowledge about material reality is hilarious and ludicrous.


This is a fact.  I didn't believe in intrinsic truth until I read that.

Also today I got the book of Mormon for free!  Score.  The book of Mormon is even funnier than the bible - although there is a sad lack of children getting their father drunk and then fucking him to carry on the line of man :(


Um what are you talking about?

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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2006, 08:09:31 PM »
Oh there is a bit in the bible (I think in Genesis) where lot fucks his daughters because they want to have children and God has just destroyed the world again so he is the only man.  They know that he wouldn't consent so they get him drunk and then do him.

In fact I google searched it and here it is:

Revised standard version
Genesis 19:30-35

Now Lot went up out of Zo'ar, and dwelt in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to dwell in Zo'ar; so he dwelt in a cave with his two daughters.
 And the first-born said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth.
 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring through our father."
 So they made their father drink wine that night; and the first-born went in, and lay with her father; he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
 And on the next day, the first-born said to the younger, "Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve offspring through our father."
 So they made their father drink wine that night also; and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.


King James Version
Genesis 19: 30-36

And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

source:
http://www.bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp

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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2006, 08:13:32 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Oh there is a bit in the bible (I think in Genesis) where lot fucks his daughters because they want to have children and God has just destroyed the world again so he is the only man.  They know that he wouldn't consent so they get him drunk and then do him.

In fact I google searched it and here it is:

Genesis 19:30-35

Now Lot went up out of Zo'ar, and dwelt in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to dwell in Zo'ar; so he dwelt in a cave with his two daughters.
 And the first-born said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth.
 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring through our father."
 So they made their father drink wine that night; and the first-born went in, and lay with her father; he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
 And on the next day, the first-born said to the younger, "Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve offspring through our father."
 So they made their father drink wine that night also; and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.


I have started a new thread regarding this so we don't clog up the information repository

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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2006, 04:01:29 AM »
In Islam it's blasphemy to say that Lut did that with his daughters, it never happened, God's destruction on a global scale never happened. Not even Noah's flood is said to be global.
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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2006, 05:17:52 AM »
Damn, now I'm going to Christian hell and Muslim hell.  lol as if I wasn't before.  At least the buddhists are still cool with me :)

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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2006, 05:22:32 AM »
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In Islam it's blasphemy to say that Lut did that with his daughters, it never happened, God's destruction on a global scale never happened. Not even Noah's flood is said to be global.


You guys realise that in that story God didn't destroy anything even close to the whole world? Lot and family were refugees from Sodom, one of only two cities destroyed in that incident.
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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2006, 05:35:53 AM »
yeah, although it may be hard to believe but when I quoted that part of the bible I actually read the verses just before it so I would no which bit was the bit I wanted to quote.  :shock:

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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2006, 04:16:30 PM »
britishgent wrote:
whales are mammals

Still before dinosaurs and insects.


"The order Cetacea includes whales, dolphins and porpoises. Cetus is Latin and is used in biological names to mean "whale"; its original meaning, "large sea animal,"

lost in translation perhaps refering 2 a pleisourus or other water based dinasour

britishgent wrote:
also some plants dont photosynthesise

This is news! Some links, sources??


"Anyone who has ever held a trilobite has likely handled Elrathia kingii, the most widely commercially distributed trilobite in the world. New work demonstrates that E. kingii lived a bizarre lifestyle, previously unknown despite its ubiquity in museum and personal collections. The arthropod lived in extreme environments hostile to other animals, and likely fed from a food web that was not rooted in photosynthetic primary production. Almost exclusively, photosynthesis sustains Earth's ecosystems today, with the exception of hydrothermal vent and seep communities of the deep sea. Modern arthropods living in these unusual environments have a symbiotic relationship with the sulfur bacteria that are the primary producers there (chemoautotrophic productivity), cultivating them in bacterial "gardens" on the insides of their exoskeletons. Previous work has suggested that some trilobites, shaped similarly to E. kingii, may have possessed exoskeletons adapted for the same purpose. E. kingii led a lifestyle common to these vent faunas, with one important difference: instead of living near vents, it sought its food source in low-oxygen environments prohibitive to other animals, but ideally suited for proliferation of sulfur bacteria. While this ecological strategy is known from younger parts of the fossil record, these findings push the minimum age for the establishment of such unusually-rooted ecosystems back considerably, placing the origin of non-photosynthesis-based communities and their alternative lifestyles close in time to the origin of animal groups."


early conditions on earth werent 2 rich in oxygen and were quite hostile thus the non photosynthetic plants




britishgent wrote:
also the simplified story is aimed at early primitive man

I can make more scientifically accurate story, while still comprehensible for "primitive man".


carry on then i want a simple story explaining creation in a way that due 2 its interesting story-like nature will b spread far n wide and will b understood by early man


britishgent wrote:
cut Him some slack

Slack? For omnipotent being? Surely this was joke.


well yes i admit it wasnt a serious comment
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The earth is not getting warmer after all; the effect is really just the prevalence of air conditioning. It just seems warmer when we go outside.

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« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2006, 04:20:10 PM »
yeh this is aimed at MaDeR
Global warming: Liberal hoax
The earth is not getting warmer after all; the effect is really just the prevalence of air conditioning. It just seems warmer when we go outside.

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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2006, 05:08:34 PM »
Quote from: "britishgent"

"The order Cetacea includes whales, dolphins and porpoises. Cetus is Latin and is used in biological names to mean "whale"; its original meaning, "large sea animal,"

And latin have something to Bible (hebrew in original, remember)?

Quote from: "britishgent"

"(...)these findings push the minimum age for the establishment of such unusually-rooted ecosystems back considerably, placing the origin of non-photosynthesis-based communities and their alternative lifestyles close in time to the origin of animal groups."

I'm sorry, but calling trilobite a plant it a bit too stretch.

Quote from: "britishgent"
early conditions on earth werent 2 rich in oxygen and were quite hostile thus the non photosynthetic plants

Plants was not existed back then. You think that anything that generates oxygen is plant?? In my matrix these things are called cyanobacteria.

Quote from: "britishgent"

Quote from: "MaDeR"

I can make more scientifically accurate story, while still comprehensible for "primitive man".

carry on then i want a simple story explaining creation in a way that due 2 its interesting story

How about a mix of some other creation stories? On beginning it was Seed. Seed expanded and born insane amount of stars. One of stars is our sun. With born of sun, also was born earth and other wandering lights... ...etc...

But, I'm afraid, that scienitfically better story have rather small chance to be accepted by "primitive man", or "man" in general. Reason: we're not important in that story.

Any good religious creation story give homo sapiens significant place in universe. Of course, nothing can be farther from truth. But is obvious why humans like to think that they're important.
ne side: hundreds years, hundred thousand sciencist looking for way to know Reality.
Second side: bunch of fudamentalist freaks waving their Holy Books.
Choose.

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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2006, 09:48:37 PM »
Quote from: "shrimpdesign"
I am a Christian, and I think the world is round.

The Bible is meant as a spitirual book, not a science book. Using it as a science book usually has bad results.

Most of the Bible is stories. Just because some guy had a dream that there was a really tall tree in the center of the world doesn't mean they were ingorant.

I think that most of those are metaphors, or can be explained in another way.


It's still supposed to be accurate. If god supposedly wrote it knowing this generation would be reading it, wouldn't he have made it say  what it was supposed to say clearly? If you can choose what's literal, and what is not, then how can any of it make sense? no wonder no two people have the same definition of god and there are so many different religions and denominations!
he facts ma'am, just give me the facts.

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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2006, 09:52:37 PM »
Quote from: "flyingleaf"
"The Bible is a book of the Truth, not 'facts'". My bible study teacher loves to say that.




That's got to be one of the funniest things I've read all day.
 
Trust a xtian to make it fit no matter what logical obstacles are there!
he facts ma'am, just give me the facts.

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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2006, 09:54:12 PM »
Quote from: "mas68"
Quote from: "shrimpdesign"
I am a Christian, and I think the world is round.

The Bible is meant as a spitirual book, not a science book. Using it as a science book usually has bad results.

Most of the Bible is stories. Just because some guy had a dream that there was a really tall tree in the center of the world doesn't mean they were ingorant.

I think that most of those are metaphors, or can be explained in another way.


It's still supposed to be accurate. If god supposedly wrote it knowing this generation would be reading it, wouldn't he have made it say  what it was supposed to say clearly? If you can choose what's literal, and what is not, then how can any of it make sense? no wonder no two people have the same definition of god and there are so many different religions and denominations!


because if god exists, he is a liar or he is evil.

THe bilbe says if you sin you go to hell.
Sending anyone to hell is evil.
Uness hell isnt whtat hte bible says it is. in which case god is a liar.
or, if he isnt evil, and wont send you to hell, then he is a liar anyway becasue the bible says he would.
oh yah, another thing could be is the bible is wrong.
quote="DiegoDraw"]"And Moses said unto his brethren: 'The Earth is flat!...biznatches,'" [/quote]
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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2006, 09:58:15 PM »
You are making 2 large and horrid assumptions.

1. The bible is the WORD of God, 'twas written  by men, so an "eternity" in hell may be a finite period of time, just exagerated to make a point, as would be hell.

2.Where didju get the balls to judge god?
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« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2006, 09:59:31 PM »
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1. The bible is the WORD of God, 'twas written  by men, so an "eternity" in hell may be a finite period of time, just exagerated to make a point, as would be hell.

so, your saying its wrong?

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2.Where didju get the balls to judge god?

i dont need balls to judge someone's fantasy.
quote="DiegoDraw"]"And Moses said unto his brethren: 'The Earth is flat!...biznatches,'" [/quote]
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« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2006, 10:00:25 PM »
Quote from: "CrimsonKing"
You are making 2 large and horrid assumptions.

1. The bible is the WORD of God, 'twas written  by men, so an "eternity" in hell may be a finite period of time, just exagerated to make a point, as would be hell.

2.Where didju get the balls to judge god?


Don't be ridiculous.. What/Who is god anyhow??? Like I said, EVERYONE has a different interpretation of him!!! As for the bible being the word of god... BELIEVE What you like but I prefer to base my life on The Lord of the Rings trilogy
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« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2006, 10:04:53 PM »
First of all... wow, that was the fastest two posts in a while.

1.I'm saying any book, no matter how important, that has lasted THOUSANDS of years is apt to have a few things misinterpereted or misunderstood through translation, and we have to remember, people had agendas back then too.

2. Your opinion is your own, and I couldn't care less, but at least be respectful to peoples beliefs, I'm sorry if you found mine to be less than that (as I see now it might have)


and mas.  Shut up, hmm God, despite "everyone having a different interperetation" I would say that 99.9% of that "interpretation" is an allpowerful being.
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« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2006, 10:09:57 PM »
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and mas.  Shut up, hmm God, despite "everyone having a different interperetation" I would say that 99.9% of that "interpretation" is an allpowerful being.


I truly beg to differ. There are so many inconsistancies that it all boils down to what the person wants "god" to be.

In any case, as long as they don't try to convert me or change the way I live my life, I don't care.

I was a fundamentalist xtian until I was 30 years old.

Thankfully, I'm now free from the shackles of religion
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« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2006, 10:11:42 PM »
Interesting, I find it sad that you think of religion as "shackles" but to each their own, fundamentalists are damn annoying though, I hate when people try to convert others.
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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2006, 07:58:55 PM »
oh god, the bible is a compilition of stories to teach an overall theme or moral depending on how you look at it, the bible IS NOT proof of any theories, and until you find the quote saying "this is not a dream, this is proving a theory" the bible wont help you finding the flat world

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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2006, 08:18:26 PM »
I think you'll make yourself look less like an idiot if you read the topic before posting in it.

A summary.

1. Somebody asks if the reason FEers believe what they do is because of the bibile.

2.  Supposedly genuine FEer says that most FEers are athiests.

3.  Discussion moves away from a FE/RE debate into a "is the bible true or not" debate.

4.  You make a post arguing against an opinion that nobody has expressed.

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« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2006, 12:49:29 AM »
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2.  Supposedly genuine FEer says that most FEers are athiests.

Yeah. Especially Charles Johnson or Samuel Rowbotham. Even if Dogplatter is genuine FEr and atheist, he is clearly in miniority when comes to religious faith as basics of FE beliefs. Saying that "most FEers are atheists" is simply BS.
ne side: hundreds years, hundred thousand sciencist looking for way to know Reality.
Second side: bunch of fudamentalist freaks waving their Holy Books.
Choose.

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« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2006, 01:48:20 AM »
I don't know anything about those people but do they belong to the "Flat Earth Society" or are they just people who believe the Earth is flat?

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« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2006, 02:55:03 AM »
Quote from: "beast"
I don't know anything about those people but do they belong to the "Flat Earth Society" or are they just people who believe the Earth is flat?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society#Origins_of_the_flat_Earth_movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_K._Johnson
ne side: hundreds years, hundred thousand sciencist looking for way to know Reality.
Second side: bunch of fudamentalist freaks waving their Holy Books.
Choose.

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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2006, 04:04:37 PM »
you guys are retarted, refering to the writers of the bible about the earth being flat. PPTFFH. where did you go to school? if you look at pictures and videos taken from outer space, you can see the earth is ROUND. This theory of the earth being flat was proven idiotic hundreds of years ago by a man named Christopher Columbus...ring any bells? give me evidence of the earth being flat. If you are sane, please tell me.

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« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2006, 05:27:48 PM »
You are stupid.  The Earth was proven to be round at least a thousand years before Christopher Columbus.  Go learn some fucking history and come back.
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« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2006, 07:51:37 PM »
whatever, at least they proved it was round.. and up yours, republican

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« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2006, 03:27:55 PM »
Quote from: "FeeFee"
you guys are retarted, refering to the writers of the bible about the earth being flat. PPTFFH. where did you go to school? if you look at pictures and videos taken from outer space, you can see the earth is ROUND. This theory of the earth being flat was proven idiotic hundreds of years ago by a man named Christopher Columbus...ring any bells? give me evidence of the earth being flat. If you are sane, please tell me.


Remind me, who was Columbus, again?  Wasn't he some guy who wanted to sail around the world but didn't?
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« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2006, 04:00:33 PM »
he was on an expedition trying to see what happend when you got to the end of the earth, and most people said they fell off when they got there, but there was land there.