Transpacific cables

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Transpacific cables
« on: January 06, 2008, 05:19:55 PM »
How do the cables running between America, Hawaii, Japan and Australia work in a FE model? Wouldn't one of the several companies that have paid for and laid them notice that they are having to pay for far more cable than they should need to?

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 05:21:29 PM »
hey, I've never seen that argument before. Possible win?
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 05:23:58 PM »
actually yeah that is a good question. nice one.
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Re: Transpacific cables
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 05:26:10 PM »
Yay!

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 05:27:29 PM »
in fact.

Since I've joined this forum, that is the most original point I've ever seen put forward.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 05:28:53 PM »
No, because the cables are running North to South. Moving North to South on the Flat Earth model would create identical distances to the Round Earth model.

Cables running Eastward or Westward in the Northern Hemisphere would also create identical distances. A discrepancy between models can only be found when moving Eastward or Westward in the Southern Hemisphere.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2008, 05:29:39 PM »
for reals?
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Re: Transpacific cables
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2008, 05:33:19 PM »
yes, but he mentioned Australia. Which is in the southern hemiplane.

There must be obvious discrepancies there?
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2008, 05:35:16 PM »
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for reals?

Yes. The listed diameter of the Flat Earth is identical to the circumference of the Round Earth. Hence, Northward and Southward distances are similar.

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yes, but he mentioned Australia. Which is in the southern hemiplane.

There must be obvious discrepancies there?

Only if the cable is running Eastward or Westward. Traveling North to South or South to North in the Southern Hemisphere would create identical distances.

The cable connected to Australia runs North to Japan.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 05:36:22 PM »
reference?
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2008, 05:36:56 PM »
wow repetition
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2008, 05:38:30 PM »
wow repetition

Well, I can't just rely on word of mouth. I MUST HAVE DIE REVERANSIES!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2008, 05:40:59 PM »
actually, it would be further in a round earth model because it reaches all the way around. Where as in a flat eart, it is thus stopped at the ice wall.

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Re: Transpacific cables
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2008, 05:48:52 PM »
NO, fail.
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Re: Transpacific cables
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2008, 05:54:37 PM »
reference?

It's quite simple, really. The Circumference (distance around) of the Round Earth is 24,900 miles. The Diameter (distance across) of the Flat Earth is 24,900 miles.

Cutting the circumference of the Round Earth in half, traveling from the North Pole to Antarctica in the the Round Earth model will take you 12,450 milesl.

Cutting the diameter of the Flat Earth in half, traveling from the North Pole to Antarctica in the Flat Earth model will take you 12,450 miles.

Therefore, the distances North to South are identical between models.

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actually, it would be further in a round earth model because it reaches all the way around. Where as in a flat eart, it is thus stopped at the ice wall.

Cables don't travel over Antarctica.
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Re: Transpacific cables
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2008, 06:01:02 PM »


As we can see, the vast majority of cables running Eastward to Westward are all within the Northern Hemisphere.

The few cables which run to the Southern Continents do so North to South.

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2008, 06:05:47 PM »
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As we can see, the vast majority of cables are all within the Northern Hemisphere. The few cables which run to the Southern Continents do so North to South.

Indeed, but there are still a fair few cables with problems. Mainly the cable running from the islands South East of Australia to Hawaii and the cable running from South Africa to Korea. The obvious reason for most of the cables being in the northern hemisphere is the fact that most of the world needing a telecommunications network is in the northern hemisphere.

A slightly better map can be found here: http://www1.alcatel-lucent.com/submarine/refs/World_Map_LR.pdf

Re: Transpacific cables
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2008, 06:21:35 PM »
I would also like to note that east to west cables in the northern hemisphere would still have a major discrepancy in a FE model. Say we take two cables covering equal longitudinal distance, one at the equator and one at the Tropic of Cancer 45 degrees longitude On a RE, the tropic 45 degree cable would be about 0.7 times as long as the equator one. In a FE model, it would be 0.5 times as long. That's a fairly major discrepancy, especially when considering cables many thousands of kilometers long.

EDIT: Tropics are not at 45 degrees latitude, my mistake.
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