Gravity on a FE...

Uh, no.  I just want an answer to my question.

I already said:

I don't know.

I have no freaking idea.  I'm not an expert on general relativity which is why I originally used the very very very good approximation of classical gravity as the framework for my original line of questioning.
All I know is the basic principles of the modern theory of gravity that state matter makes spacetime curve and curved spacetime makes matter move.

the only real important part of any of this is whether or not you think matter does, in fact, curve spacetime and whether or not the Earth is made of matter.

If we differ on the second point by even a gnats wing the argument is then rapidly spiralling out of the realm of ordinary science and into area I personally dare to tread.

So you are making the assumption that there is no possible way for an object to become gravitationally 'neutral'?  You don't know what the mechanism is that causes space to deform, so why is it such a stretch to say that there may have been (or is currently happening) some sort of particle interaction which causes the majority of the FE to not radiate information to space telling it how to deform?

So you are making the assumption that there is no possible way for an object to become gravitationally 'neutral'?  You don't know what the mechanism is that causes space to deform, so why is it such a stretch to say that there may have been (or is currently happening) some sort of particle interaction which causes the majority of the FE to not radiate information to space telling it how to deform?

Good point

I'll believe it's possible when I, or someone I trust, has weighed a chunk of it.

I'll believe it's possible when I, or someone I trust, has weighed a chunk of it.

What is that going to tell you?

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"Matter tells spacetime how to curve"
I believe Einstein said that.

I believe Einstein said aether did.

Rud is correct. Einstein clearly states in GR that "Matter tells spacetime how to curve.
Curved spacetime tells matter how to move."

Actually, he said that energy curved spacetime, but he also proved that mass = energy. Same difference. And aether has been disproved, you're a bit late, if you're thinking the same aether I am.

magnetism, nothing more, nothing less. well, something akin to magnetism.

Biefeld, Brown and Tesla all demonstrated that you can create flying devices that defy gravity with simple manipulation of electromagnetism. At the end of WWII, numerous soldiers saw such machines built by the Nazis. Not long after, a general said we'd 'flying cars' with a decade.

The same people keeping the round earth theory alive are hiding these things.

The 'plane truth' is that they lie about everything.

Quote from: rud on January 11, 2008, 02:38:07 PM

I'll believe it's possible when I, or someone I trust, has weighed a chunk of it.

What is that going to tell you?

This would tell me it's something real.  It's tangible.  I could put it on my coffee table.  When people argued with me I would bring them round for dinner and show it to them.  This would mean it existed.

I'm not going to say there aren't any pink elephants just because we haven't seen one.  I will say the odds of pink elephants existing aren't very good, and if they do exist the pink-elephent:grey-elephenat proportion must be a very small one.  Their existence certainly isn't something I would want to hang a theory on in either case.

I see.  So you were not actually wanting to put it on a scale hoping for that, to tell you something.