What about...the Coriolis effect?

What have I told you about depending on Tom? Trust me, there's a reliable counterpoint. Tom has implied that the air molecules have coloumbs. Which means that you should have a static shock when you go outside. Do you observe this? No. And RE gives an explanation for hurricanes, namely, the pressure gradient force, and the coriolis effect, which keeps storms together.

*sigh*. Once again you prove your idiocy. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

The whole thing. Maybe you may learn something. For a change.

Why should he have to read an entire article just to appease you?  If you have a point to make, just quote it. 

That link doesn't tell us how wind systems are able to maintain their distinct disk shapes without falling apart. It just tells us that the Coriolis Effect compels the system to rotate in one direction rather than another.

So again, how do wind systems maintain their disk shapes without falling apart?

The Flat Earth does not spin. The Coriolis Effect can be explained as follows:

The two turnings of the winds between hemispheres create atmospheric "gears" with the teeth of these gears laying along the equator. The turning of the "gears" keep each other generally moving in opposite directions. Not literal gears, but ones consisting of wind currents rotating around a common center. When two wind currents moving in opposite directions collide at the equator it creates a reaction in accordance with Newtons third law: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The molecules of the air are shot outwards and away with a direction and magnitude directly opposite.

What sits over the equator to make this such a special area? The sun - which constantly imparts temperatures to the two hemispheres, rising pressure directly under its umbrella with its heat, gradually moving the winds within its circling spotlight outwards and away from the high pressures of the day out towards the low pressures of the night. It is analogous to a spoon churning a thick atmosphere in a vast mixing bowl. The spoon sifts through the atmosphere, imparting the molecules to its left in one direction, and imparting the molecules to its right in another. This effect builds up over time, creating predictable and recurring patterns of wind currents.

Here's an Illustration:



Where the teeth connect over the equator represents the area where the sun is sucking in and spitting out wind as it raises temperature and pressure beneath its vicinity. Over the course of countless years the wind currents have become stable and predictable, colliding at the equator and keeping neighboring wind systems moving in opposite directions through gearing.

But this effect is still not yet universal. There are still wind currents which occasionally wander into opposing hemispheres, violating the principles of the Coriolis Effect.

Now, heres one I want to hear answered. How do FE'ers explain the Coriolis effect without the Earth being curved? And remember, the Coriolis effect affects hurricanes and so on, so it certainly exists. Well?

Quote from: fshy94 on December 27, 2007, 10:55:18 PM

Now, heres one I want to hear answered. How do FE'ers explain the Coriolis effect without the Earth being curved? And remember, the Coriolis effect affects hurricanes and so on, so it certainly exists. Well?

Looks like a question to me.

Oki, well then continue away with an explanation for water drainage please.

Quote from: Sadistic on December 04, 2009, 01:26:01 AM

Oki, well then continue away with an explanation for water drainage please.

Water swirling down a drain is affected more by the shape of the plumbing and any residual currents in the water than by the shape or rotation of the earth.

The Flat Earth does not spin. The Coriolis Effect can be explained as follows:

The two turnings of the winds between hemispheres create atmospheric "gears" with the teeth of these gears laying along the equator. The turning of the "gears" keep each other generally moving in opposite directions. Not literal gears, but ones consisting of wind currents rotating around a common center. When two wind currents moving in opposite directions collide at the equator it creates a reaction in accordance with Newtons third law: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The molecules of the air are shot outwards and away with a direction and magnitude directly opposite.

What sits over the equator to make this such a special area? The sun - which constantly imparts temperatures to the two hemispheres, rising pressure directly under its umbrella with its heat, gradually moving the winds within its circling spotlight outwards and away from the high pressures of the day out towards the low pressures of the night. It is analogous to a spoon churning a thick atmosphere in a vast mixing bowl. The spoon sifts through the atmosphere, imparting the molecules to its left in one direction, and imparting the molecules to its right in another. This effect builds up over time, creating predictable and recurring patterns of wind currents.

Here's an Illustration:



Where the teeth connect over the equator represents the area where the sun is sucking in and spitting out wind as it raises temperature and pressure beneath its vicinity. Over the course of countless years the wind currents have become stable and predictable, colliding at the equator and keeping neighboring wind systems moving in opposite directions through gearing.

But this effect is still not yet universal. There are still wind currents which occasionally wander into opposing hemispheres, violating the principles of the Coriolis Effect.

How did he make the drain hole in the bucket? Was it conducted in a sealed container?

Quote from: SupahLovah on December 11, 2009, 09:49:49 AM

How did he make the drain hole in the bucket? Was it conducted in a sealed container?

It said in the wikipedia article that he "The drain plug is then very slowly removed", which isn't an answer, but they cited the article so I'm sure it will have those details on the website.

Here is the wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect#Draining_in_bathtubs_and_toilets

"Coriolis rotation can conceivably play a role on scales as small as a bathtub. It is a commonly held myth that the every-day rotation of a bathtub or toilet vortex is due to whether one is in the northern or southern hemisphere. An article in Nature, by Ascher Shapiro, describes an experiment in which all other forces to the system are removed by filling a 6 ft. tank with water and allowing it to settle for 24 hrs (to remove any internal velocity), in a room where the temperature has stabilized (temperature differences in the room can introduce forces inside the fluid). The drain plug is then very slowly removed, and tiny pieces of floating wood are used to observe rotation. During the first 12 to 15 mins, no rotation is observed. Then, a vortex appears and consistently begins to rotate in a counter-clockwise direction (the experiment was performed in the Northern hemisphere, in Boston, MA). This is repeated and the results averaged to make sure the effect is real. The Coriolis effect does indeed play a role in vortex rotation for draining liquids that have come to rest for a long time. ["Bath-Tub Vortex", Nature. Dec 15th, 1962. Vol 195, No. 4859, p. 1080-1081]"

As is convention on this forum, the term gravity refers to the Newtonian force of universal gravitation.  Newtonian gravitation has since been superceded by General Relativity in which the phenomenon of universal gravitation is described by the curvature of spacetime through which gravity becomes a ficticious force in the same class as the of other pseudoforces like the centrifugal force.  Thus, the claim that gravity does not exist is always correct regardless of RE or FE, as long as one takes the conventional definitions on this forum.

The issue of whether General Relativity is a valid theory is up to debate among FE'ers.  Some, most notably James, discount it completely.  I believe, along with most, that it is the best theory for universal gravitation, and it is entirely applicable for explaining FE phenomena.  Among the phenomena predicted by General relativity is "gravitomagnetism".

The phenomenon of gravitomagnetism is easiest understood in terms of the old-fashioned concept of a gravitomagnetic field, in which gravitation is treated as a force.  It is similar to a magnetic field, except that in the case that moving charges create a magnetic field, moving masses create a gravitomagnetic field.  In the presence of a gravitomagnetic field, objects feel a force given by the Lorentz formula

F =  2 m v/c x B_g

where B_g is the gravitomagnetic field vector and v is the velocity vector of the object on which the force is acting.  This is incredibly similar to the formula for the Coriolis force,

F = 2 m v x ?.

Therefore, all that is required to simulate the Coriolis force is a gravitomagnetic field of similar magnitude to the quantity of ?c, where ? is the angular velocity of the RE.

And incidentally, there is a source that can create such a gravitomagnetic field, the rotating heavens.  Taken to be a roughly uniform rotating disk, the cosmos will create a nearly uniform gravitomagnetic field on the surface of the Earth, which we may take to be the cause of many phenomena attributed to the Coriolis force.

Quote from: Euclid

As is convention on this forum, the term gravity refers to the Newtonian force of universal gravitation.  Newtonian gravitation has since been superceded by General Relativity in which the phenomenon of universal gravitation is described by the curvature of spacetime through which gravity becomes a ficticious force in the same class as the of other pseudoforces like the centrifugal force.  Thus, the claim that gravity does not exist is always correct regardless of RE or FE, as long as one takes the conventional definitions on this forum.

The issue of whether General Relativity is a valid theory is up to debate among FE'ers.  Some, most notably James, discount it completely.  I believe, along with most, that it is the best theory for universal gravitation, and it is entirely applicable for explaining FE phenomena.  Among the phenomena predicted by General relativity is "gravitomagnetism".

The phenomenon of gravitomagnetism is easiest understood in terms of the old-fashioned concept of a gravitomagnetic field, in which gravitation is treated as a force.  It is similar to a magnetic field, except that in the case that moving charges create a magnetic field, moving masses create a gravitomagnetic field.  In the presence of a gravitomagnetic field, objects feel a force given by the Lorentz formula

F =  2 m v/c x B_g

where B_g is the gravitomagnetic field vector and v is the velocity vector of the object on which the force is acting.  This is incredibly similar to the formula for the Coriolis force,

F = 2 m v x ?.

Therefore, all that is required to simulate the Coriolis force is a gravitomagnetic field of similar magnitude to the quantity of ?c, where ? is the angular velocity of the RE.

And incidentally, there is a source that can create such a gravitomagnetic field, the rotating heavens.  Taken to be a roughly uniform rotating disk, the cosmos will create a nearly uniform gravitomagnetic field on the surface of the Earth, which we may take to be the cause of many phenomena attributed to the Coriolis force.

Because the the heavens rotate in the opposite direction in the other hemi"sphere".