Satellites, and the False information they provide

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Satellites, and the False information they provide
« on: December 23, 2007, 02:04:04 PM »
Aura (satellite)- Since this satellite is fake, you know, since we can't send things into space, according to FEers, then we dont know anything about the ozone, since that is what this satellite studies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura_%28satellite%29

Hubble Telescope- All the breakthroughs of the Hubble telescope are fake, because it actually doesnt exist. The universe might be expanded, or not, as nothing is known about the Hubble constant, you know, the value at which the universe is suppose to be expanding.  Oh, and those accounts of those really old galaxies being found at the edge of the universe? False. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_telescope#Important_discoveries

WMAP- That big hole in the universe? A lie. Because this telescope doesnt exist, that hole doesnt either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMAP#Findings_so_far_from_WMAP

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2007, 04:27:02 AM »
Look, its tim nice but dim.
Read the FAQ first, it will save half of you looking like fools!

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2007, 01:52:34 PM »
Hubble Telescope- All the breakthroughs of the Hubble telescope are fake, because it actually doesnt exist. The universe might be expanded, or not, as nothing is known about the Hubble constant, you know, the value at which the universe is suppose to be expanding.
What do these have to do with each other?


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 12:10:28 PM »
Another interesting point along these lines is that all of the X-ray, UV, and Infrared information we have about the cosmos must have been faked, because all of that data was taken with orbiting satellites.  That's a lot of information.

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 02:07:07 PM »
Hubble Telescope- All the breakthroughs of the Hubble telescope are fake, because it actually doesnt exist. The universe might be expanded, or not, as nothing is known about the Hubble constant, you know, the value at which the universe is suppose to be expanding.
What do these have to do with each other?

My dear genius, THEY WERE ALL FOUND BY SATELLITES! By your own arguments, SATELLITES DON"T EXIST! Did that clarify things for you?
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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 02:09:38 PM »
No. 


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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 02:13:00 PM »
Ok. That's fine by me.
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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 02:15:26 PM »
I thought you were going to clarify it?  Because what you said made absolutely no sense.


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2007, 02:18:24 PM »
OK, maybe this time you'll understand. The hubble constant was measured by satellites. As was all the discoveries about the ozone layer. And WMAP. Since you stated satellites don't exist, and are part of the conspiracy, we must disavow all of this information. Would you agree?
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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2007, 02:19:26 PM »
I think you need to read the quote again:

Hubble Telescope- All the breakthroughs of the Hubble telescope are fake, because it actually doesnt exist. The universe might be expanded, or not, as nothing is known about the Hubble constant, you know, the value at which the universe is suppose to be expanding.
What do these have to do with each other?


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2007, 02:22:58 PM »
OK, maybe this time you'll understand. The hubble constant was measured by satellites.
Pretty cool that Edwin Hubble was able to do this 28 years before the first satellite was even launched.


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2007, 02:24:47 PM »
OK, maybe this time you'll understand. The hubble constant was measured by satellites.
Pretty cool that Edwin Hubble was able to do this 28 years before the first satellite was even launched.

You're actually correct about that.  Hubble first measured the constant before any satellite-based telescopes were available.  Satellite-based telescopes did, however, offer much more precise determination of this constant.  Also, you haven't addressed my last post about UV, IR, and X-ray data.

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2007, 02:26:51 PM »
Edwin Hubble did find it. It was verified by the telescope, IIRC, and its changing. So we don't know the rate of change. You're merely nitpicking, however. The point was, that many of the facts we take for granted were found by satellites, and if they don't exist, we must throw out the data generated there. Would you agree?
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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2007, 02:30:46 PM »
All you have to do is get the telescopes high enough.  You can do this with balloons, or maybe you can even take advantage of the DEF.


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2007, 02:33:22 PM »
All you have to do is get the telescopes high enough.  You can do this with balloons, or maybe you can even take advantage of the DEF.

What is the "DEF"?  And can you find a balloon strong enough to hold an X-ray telescope?  Chandra weighs 10,600 lbs.

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2007, 02:34:56 PM »
Exactly. That's a lot of balloons :D. Its much easier to imagine an object constantly falling, but moving fast enough to counter that acceleration due to the earth dropping away(its perspective).
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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2007, 02:35:33 PM »
DEF - Dark Energy Field

You sure could get balloons that can lift that much. 


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2007, 02:38:31 PM »
DEF - Dark Energy Field

You sure could get balloons that can lift that much. 

Do you have an example of balloons that can provide that much lift?  In addition, do you have evidence of the "Dark Energy Field", and why all astronomers claim to simply use orbiting telescopes?  If the telescope were not in fact completely free of the atmosphere, astronomers would definitely notice atmospheric absorption of the X-rays, IR, and UV radiation that they were studying, and would look for the cause of the discrepancy, thus exposing the great conspiracy.

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2007, 02:43:05 PM »
http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/cargolifter/

160 metric tons.  That's a lot.

The only evidence of a DEF is indirect:  By it's very nature, we can't detect Dark Energy.


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fshy94

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2007, 02:44:07 PM »
Except for its curvature of spacetime, which would be noticed in large enough quantities.
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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2007, 02:45:11 PM »
The only evidence of a DEF is indirect:  By it's very nature, we can't detect Dark Energy.


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2007, 02:45:51 PM »
http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/cargolifter/

160 metric tons.  That's a lot.

The only evidence of a DEF is indirect:  By it's very nature, we can't detect Dark Energy.

Impressive, but how high can it go?  I'm willing to bet not high enough to get through enough of the atmosphere to allow for astronomical IR, UV, and X-ray measurements.

You would rather trust in an undetectable Dark Energy than an easily detectable Universal Gravitation?

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2007, 02:48:37 PM »
You would rather trust in an undetectable Dark Energy than an easily detectable Universal Gravitation?
You have detected gravitation?  That's a pretty neat trick.  So, when did you discover the graviton?  Last time I checked, we could only detect gravitation's effect on stuff.


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2007, 02:48:54 PM »
You would rather trust in an undetectable Dark Energy than an easily detectable Universal Gravitation?
So how do you detect Universal Gravitation?

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fshy94

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2007, 02:49:35 PM »
Have you detected magnetism? That's amazing. I thought we could only detect magnetisms effects on things..
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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2007, 02:51:13 PM »
You would rather trust in an undetectable Dark Energy than an easily detectable Universal Gravitation?
So how do you detect Universal Gravitation?

For what seems like the millionth time, using the Cavendish Experiment.  You get the exact same inverse-square law of gravitation that Newton used to derive Kepler's empirical laws.

And yes, it is a very neat experimentation.  I've seen it done.

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2007, 02:52:11 PM »
You would rather trust in an undetectable Dark Energy than an easily detectable Universal Gravitation?
You have detected gravitation?  That's a pretty neat trick.  So, when did you discover the graviton?  Last time I checked, we could only detect gravitation's effect on stuff.


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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2007, 02:52:26 PM »
Aaah now cwolfe, but that is an effect of Universal Gravitation....you have not actually detected Universal Gravitation itself. See?
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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2007, 02:53:01 PM »
You would rather trust in an undetectable Dark Energy than an easily detectable Universal Gravitation?
You have detected gravitation?  That's a pretty neat trick.  So, when did you discover the graviton?  Last time I checked, we could only detect gravitation's effect on stuff.

Regardless of the underlying mechanisms PRODUCING the inverse-square law, it's there.

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Re: Satellites, and the False information they provide
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2007, 02:53:52 PM »
So your point is moot.  Glad we agree.


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