If the earth is flat...

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maug

If the earth is flat...
« on: December 21, 2007, 04:02:39 PM »
Can someone direct me on the easiest way to get to the ice wall? Thank you.

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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2007, 04:31:19 PM »
Click the little X at the top right corner of your screen and start walking Southward.

Don't come back.

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maug

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2007, 04:34:21 PM »
If the earth is flat I should be able to see it from a plane, correct?

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2007, 05:04:25 PM »
Only if you're close enough to the ice wall that the air doesn't ruin your vision of it.  Now follow Bishop's orders.

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maug

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2007, 05:14:26 PM »
Where exactly is the ice wall situated... does it completely encircle the earth? On the other side of the ice wall is... space? Any idea on the dimensions of the ice wall?
I'm not trying to be rude, but do FEers have evidence of this purported ice wall, or is it conjecture?

Thank you.

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2007, 05:16:27 PM »
Click the little X at the top right corner of your screen and start walking Southward.

Don't come back.

Why do I have to walk south? I see that all over this forum to go south. What if I want to walk North, or West, or East North East?
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2007, 05:22:30 PM »
it's pure myth, and on top of that, Tom Bishop claims that if you climbed over it, you could keep walking south on ice forever and ever! rediculous, huh?

simply put, FErs think the north pole is the "center" of the earth!
look for the thread "distortions in southern hemisphere" for more discussion on this sillyness.

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2007, 05:23:30 PM »
Click the little X at the top right corner of your screen and start walking Southward.

Don't come back.

Why do I have to walk south? I see that all over this forum to go south. What if I want to walk North, or West, or East North East?

Then you wont make it to the ice wall.  I mean, you can try, but it wont happen...

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2007, 05:25:16 PM »
l0l

I'm gunna go outside and take all the snow in my yard and make my own ice wall.... lma0
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2007, 05:27:26 PM »
Good idea.  Be sure to wear your mittens!

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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2007, 05:50:03 PM »
Click the little X at the top right corner of your screen and start walking Southward.

Don't come back.

do you not even understand your own religion?  you can walk any direction in a straight line and get there.  (if relying on a compass though, just don't pick exactly due magnetic east or west.)

i love when people say, "click the little x at top right corner".  i've tried to follow those directions before, but couldn't find one.

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2007, 05:56:43 PM »
i love when people say, "click the little x at top right corner".  i've tried to follow those directions before, but couldn't find one.

Please say there is a good reason for this, otherwise it's sig'd.

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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2007, 05:59:13 PM »
i love when people say, "click the little x at top right corner".  i've tried to follow those directions before, but couldn't find one.

Please say there is a good reason for this, otherwise it's sig'd.

i would be honored, thanks.

edit: removed a sentence that might have blown my chance at making it on your sig.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2007, 06:00:47 PM by cpt_bthimes »

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2007, 06:03:02 PM »
So there's a reason, got it.

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maug

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2007, 06:12:15 PM »
So there is no evidence to support the ice wall that surrounds the entire planet. Pretty convenient that the fog happens to obscure it, where exactly would I need to be able to see it then? Have you been there?

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2007, 06:29:47 PM »
Yeah, actually why do FEers say there is a giant mountain range covered in ice around Earth's disk/cylinder?

Evidence is one thing, but what was the motive for believing that particular thought?

If I were to make a cult, with one of its beliefs being that the world was flat, I would reverse engineer my theories.

 - Something needs to stop the water falling off the side of the disc...

 - Hey, a mountain range would do that!

 - But this would technically be the south pole all around it, and people already believe that the south pole is icy.

 - How bout an icy mountain rage!

 - Voila.
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2007, 06:32:57 PM »
Yeah, actually why do FEers say there is a giant mountain range covered in ice around Earth's disk/cylinder?

I've seen lots of pictures.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2007, 06:56:20 PM »
Of the great Ice wall? Those pictures are obviously fakes.

The government(s) wouldn't let people take pictures of it, they would stop the people.

If there was a real non-government controlled mission to take pictures, the people would have climbed the Ice wall (as it is just a mountain range), and taken pictures of what was over it, and then there would be no discussion of "what is beyond the Ice wall?"
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2007, 06:58:57 PM »
You do know what Antarctica is, right?

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2007, 07:06:09 PM »
Me, yes.
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2007, 08:19:20 PM »
Yeah, actually why do FEers say there is a giant mountain range covered in ice around Earth's disk/cylinder?

I've seen lots of pictures.


We don't allow photographic evidence on this site, you fraud.

So even if you have seen those pictures we can't believe you because you are not allowed to photographic evidence on this site. Or is that only a rule for pictures that prove your asinine (IMO) theory wrong?
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2007, 08:27:24 PM »
Owned.

(This is fun!)
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2007, 11:34:05 PM »
do you not even understand your own religion?  you can walk any direction in a straight line and get there.  (if relying on a compass though, just don't pick exactly due magnetic east or west.)
If you are relying on a compass, you have to go south in order to reach it.


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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2007, 12:23:45 AM »
Yeah, actually why do FEers say there is a giant mountain range covered in ice around Earth's disk/cylinder?

I've seen lots of pictures.


We don't allow photographic evidence on this site, you fraud.

So even if you have seen those pictures we can't believe you because you are not allowed to photographic evidence on this site. Or is that only a rule for pictures that prove your asinine (IMO) theory wrong?

You're right, of course.  I can't prove that the pictures I've seen of Antarctica are real.  :(

If you have evidence that Antarctica doesn't exist I'd love to hear it.  Hey, maybe you could start an alternative web forum of your own with that assertion!
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2007, 09:05:47 AM »
Wait, so you saw pictures of a giant ice wall/mountain range? With water on the side?

Go on, I know it isn't solid evidence, but please post a picture, if you can. It seems interesting.
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2007, 09:33:18 AM »
it's pure myth, and on top of that, Tom Bishop claims that if you climbed over it, you could keep walking south on ice forever and ever! rediculous, huh?

Except he used to say that the infinite plane theory was ridiculous and that no honest FEer takes it seriously. Ah, the wonders of rigorous scientific thought!
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2007, 10:56:02 AM »
Wait, so you saw pictures of a giant ice wall/mountain range? With water on the side?

Go on, I know it isn't solid evidence, but please post a picture, if you can. It seems interesting.

http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

Along the edge of our local area exists this massive 150 foot Ice Wall. The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. It is widely known and widely studied. The Ice Wall is a series of shelves which surrounds the Antarctic rim. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface.

The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked


    "It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass.

    It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward."


James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next five years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of find a south sea passage to the other side. In his book "South Sea Voyage," James Clark Ross reports a total voyage of over 60,000 nautical miles.

The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.

The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.

Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2007, 11:07:53 AM »
Wait, so you saw pictures of a giant ice wall/mountain range? With water on the side?

Go on, I know it isn't solid evidence, but please post a picture, if you can. It seems interesting.

http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

Along the edge of our local area exists this massive 150 foot Ice Wall. The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. It is widely known and widely studied. The Ice Wall is a series of shelves which surrounds the Antarctic rim. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface.

The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked


    "It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass.

    It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward."


James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next five years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of find a south sea passage to the other side. In his book "South Sea Voyage," James Clark Ross reports a total voyage of over 60,000 nautical miles.

The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.

The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.

Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.

But that picture isn't any more allowable here than my picture of a spike at the exact southern pole, now is it?  And how is that man's testimony any more believable than NASA astronauts who have been to the Moon and seen the shape of the Earth from space?

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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2007, 11:14:02 AM »
But that picture isn't any more allowable here than my picture of a spike at the exact southern pole, now is it?  And how is that man's testimony any more believable than NASA astronauts who have been to the Moon and seen the shape of the Earth from space?

The picture isn't allowable as evidence or proof; it merely showcases a visualization of what he is discussing.

As to your second question, one could use the argument that since NASA is implicated in the conspiracy for monetary gain, how is Sir James Clark Ross to benefit from posting his own observations, whether conflicting or not?
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Re: If the earth is flat...
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2007, 11:18:54 AM »
But that picture isn't any more allowable here than my picture of a spike at the exact southern pole, now is it?  And how is that man's testimony any more believable than NASA astronauts who have been to the Moon and seen the shape of the Earth from space?

Yes, however, I requested the picture.


Regarding the picture, could that not just be a picture taken of a side of Antarctica? And I thought, according to FE theory, there would be soldiers there or government agents or something protecting the great Ice Wall's border.

Regardless, it is a nice picture, in my opinion.
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