How to Argue About This Issue

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How to Argue About This Issue
« on: December 18, 2007, 06:22:52 PM »
Arguments about the flatness of the earth should be implictly addressed to those who are agnostic on the issue. Otherwise we just end up begging the question with each other.

In my view, whichever side presents the arguments most likely to sway a reasonable agnostic, wins.

I think that the following argument will sway any reasonable agnostic into believing in a non-flat earth.

Here is a simple and easy method for demonstrating to yourself that the earth is not flat.

All you need is a long-distance phone service and a contact (friend, relative, etc.) in a far away land.

(1) Remind yourself that the sun sinks in the west, and rises in the east every morning.

(2) Infer from (1) that when it is night, the sun is in the region beneath you.

(3) Call your contact when it is night where you live, and daytime where they live. Ask them if they can see the sun in the sky above them. Unless it is cloudy, they will say "Yes".

(4) If they say "yes", then since you know the sun is beneath you, your contact must also be beneath you. Moreover since you know they see the sun in the sky above them, you know that their sky is in a different direction from your sky.

(4) is impossible unless the earth is not flat.

This simple experiment is superior to all the "water-based" experiments promoted by Rowbotham and his followers, because those only prove the flatness of small stretches of water, whereas this proves the roundness of the Earth over a very large distance.
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Trekky0623

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 06:34:22 PM »
DOUBLE POSTER!!!

1) The Sun is not under the Earth anytime.
2) The vanishing point is a finite distance away.
3) Therefore the sun vanishes at a finite distance.
4) Why does the sun sink?  IDK, ask Tom.
5) Stop arguing and go to "Everything Else" and argue things that are actually worth arguing about and that the FET does not have a denfense for.

Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 06:36:34 PM »

1) The Sun is not under the Earth anytime.


It is definitely in the region beneath my feet right now....

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Trekky0623

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 06:38:31 PM »
READ THE REST!!  THE MAIN POINT YOUR MISSING IS THAT FEERS BELIEVE THE VANISHING POINT IS FINITE!!!

Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 06:39:04 PM »
DOUBLE POSTER!!!

My earlier thread was hijacked, therefore it was necessary to start a new one.

Please do not post in distracting huge letters in my threads. It is not very polite, and this is a forum for discussion and debate. If you do not like my threads, you are free to go elsewhere.

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2007, 06:55:10 PM »
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It is definitely in the region beneath my feet right now....

How can you demonstrate that hypothesis for us?

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Raist

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2007, 06:56:35 PM »
DOUBLE POSTER!!!

My earlier thread was hijacked, therefore it was necessary to start a new one.

Please do not post in distracting huge letters in my threads. It is not very polite, and this is a forum for discussion and debate. If you do not like my threads, you are free to go elsewhere.
Hijacked cuz it sucked.


New point for a dumb thread.


Who thinks I need a new man lurv? Dann never talks to me.

Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2007, 07:00:43 PM »
DOUBLE POSTER!!!

My earlier thread was hijacked, therefore it was necessary to start a new one.

Please do not post in distracting huge letters in my threads. It is not very polite, and this is a forum for discussion and debate. If you do not like my threads, you are free to go elsewhere.
Hijacked cuz it sucked.

If you do not like my threads, you are free to go elswehere. This is a place for debate and discussion.

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Raist

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2007, 07:01:15 PM »
So back to the thread topic. Do i need a new manlurv?

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2007, 11:49:22 PM »
Arguments about the flatness of the earth should be implictly addressed to those who are agnostic on the issue. Otherwise we just end up begging the question with each other.

In my view, whichever side presents the arguments most likely to sway a reasonable agnostic, wins.

that part was a good argument.  well put.  and way to stand your ground.

the rest, i think, is explained in fe theory.  sort of.  not that it makes a lick of sense, just that they have an explanation for the phenomenon you described.  that is, basically that the sun orbits something 3,000 miles above the earth - tracing in a circle, a similar path over ground that it traces in the re but splayed out to be flat.  or something like that.

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2007, 02:34:19 AM »
I'll be your manlurve, if the opportunity arises, Raist.
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Raist

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2007, 06:02:13 AM »
We'll see. I havent known you for that long. And you havent said anything that made me fal for you.

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eric bloedow

Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2007, 01:52:26 PM »
wrong, FErs CLAIM the vanishing point is finite, because they think that "proves" that sunrise/set is an optical illision!

i forget, what's the FE explanation for clouds being lit up underneath after sunset?
RE answers that very simply.

Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2007, 05:08:40 PM »
NO
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James

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2007, 05:29:41 PM »
Raist, you're lucky I didn't ban you too - consider this an official warning. What makes you think those links have a place in FED&D?
"For your own sake, as well as for that of our beloved country, be bold and firm against error and evil of every kind." - David Wardlaw Scott, Terra Firma 1901

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Raist

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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2007, 05:36:11 PM »
Sorry engy i'll behave.


But thanks for the pm warning.  ::) Editing my post instead of asking a long time member is the way to go.


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Re: How to Argue About This Issue
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2007, 05:38:22 AM »
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It is definitely in the region beneath my feet right now....

How can you demonstrate that hypothesis for us?

Tom!... go away
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