Gravity

I've often heard Tom Bishop talk about RE's problems with not having a Grand Unified Theory, particularly dealing with the gravitational force.

Well, as I understand it, in FE objects have gravity, just not the Earth.  So wouldn't FE have the same problem as RE trying to find a GUT theory to explain gravity?  eg. Why do the FE stars produce and upward pull?  What is happening there?  Wouldn't FE ALSO have to have a graviton or something else to explain gravity?

Just checking.

bump... WHY AREN'T THERE RESPONSES?!  It's not like this topic isn't interesting!

Gravity does not exist.


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I've often heard Tom Bishop talk about RE's problems with not having a Grand Unified Theory, particularly dealing with the gravitation force.

Well, as I understand it, in FE objects have Gravitation, just not the Earth.  So wouldn't FE have the same problem as RE trying to find a GUT theory to explain gravitation?  eg. Why do the FE stars produce and upward pull?  What is happening there?  Wouldn't FE ALSO have to have a graviton or something else to explain gravity?

Just checking.

Fixed, you know how the FE's love to nitpick the wording that you use.

Gravity does not exist.


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how do the earth and moon orbit a common barycenter?

It surely is not due to gravity.  Gravity exists only has a concept.

Quote from: TheEngineer on December 12, 2007, 08:48:38 PM

Gravity does not exist.


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how do the earth and moon orbit a common barycenter?

They don't. The sun orbits the earth. Which is flat.

Quote from: cpt_bthimes on December 12, 2007, 09:02:03 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on December 12, 2007, 08:48:38 PM

Gravity does not exist.


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how do the earth and moon orbit a common barycenter?

They don't. The sun orbits the earth. Which is flat.

and how do they do that

how do satellites and other orbiting bodies stay in space?  I know according to your flawed FE theories that all they do is orbit "in circles" but would they not also need some kind of upward acceleration force to keep them above the earth?

UA, geodesics, etc.

My question is this:

How does FE explain how masses are attracted to each other?

Gravitation?

how do the earth and moon orbit a common barycenter?

Like a binary star system.

How does FE explain how masses are attracted to each other?

Gravitation.

Selective Gravitation?

Fixed it for you.

Quote from: Lord Z on December 12, 2007, 09:39:51 PM

Gravitation?

Fixed it for you.

Fixed it back.

Gravitation?

oh right.  i totally, if momentarily, forgot the word parsing of gravity vs. gravitation.  that's fine.  i think theengineer is on your same page?

Quote from: Lord Z on December 12, 2007, 09:39:51 PM

Gravitation?

oh right.  i totally, if momentarily, forgot the word parsing of gravity vs. gravitation.  that's fine.  i think theengineer is on your same page?

Yeah it must be really crappy to be their butcher, with them always wanting to buy 2 newtons of beef. I wonder if the butcher had to warn them to stop yelling at all of the customers for saying kilograms when they ordered

Actually, I'm British. We use pounds, which is a legitimate measurement of weight.

Actually, I'm British. We use pounds, which is a legitimate measurement of weight.

no the accurate measurment of wieght for "pounds" would be "slugs" a pound is a unit of mass.

Quote from: Lord Z on December 12, 2007, 09:56:18 PM

Actually, I'm British. We use pounds, which is a legitimate measurement of weight.

no the accurate measurment of wieght for "pounds" would be "slugs" a pound is a unit of mass.

If you say so. I never really thought about it.

Quote from: cbarnett97 on December 12, 2007, 10:02:23 PM

Quote from: Lord Z on December 12, 2007, 09:56:18 PM

Actually, I'm British. We use pounds, which is a legitimate measurement of weight.

no the accurate measurment of wieght for "pounds" would be "slugs" a pound is a unit of mass.

If you say so. I never really thought about it.

you never really thought about it because by convention we can use kilograms and pounds in everyday life, just like by convention we can say gravity when in fact we mean gravitation

touché.

But here we are talking about things where the correct definition is required.

Anyways, I'm not infallible.

touché.

But here we are talking about things where the correct definition is required.

Anyways, I'm not infallible.

But the thing is we can say gravity. a little while ago (dont remember the year) the scientific community got together and decided that it was valid to just say gravity, that way everyone os on the same page because by this point everyone in the scientific community knows the difference between classical gravity and gravitation. Just like they all go together and said that we can think of electric current flowing from the north pole to the south even though in reality the electrons flow the opposite direction

That's all very well in the scientific community. But the majority of people that turn up on these forums aren't scientists. And they turn up posting things like, "IF T3H EARTH IS FLAXXORS Y DOSE TEH BALL I THROW UP COME BACK TO GROUND!!!?>?

THAT'S RIGHT, GRAVITY RETARDS."

And then we take much amusement in explaining to them that gravity does not exist.

That's all very well in the scientific community. But the majority of people that turn up on these forums aren't scientists. And they turn up posting things like, "IF T3H EARTH IS FLAXXORS Y DOSE TEH BALL I THROW UP COME BACK TO GROUND!!!?>?

THAT'S RIGHT, GRAVITY RETARDS."

And then we take much amusement in explaining to them that gravity does not exist.

gravity does exist it is just that our understanding of it has changed. clasically the ball fell back down because of a force. now our understanding tells us that the ball falls back down because of a geodesic. It would be similar to rolling a ball down a hill

Sorry, I meant to say, "gravity as a force does not exist"

But it's more fun to say gravity does not exist.

Okay, so in FE, what is gravitation caused by?

I'm not talking about the UA, I mean like in specialized systems where masses are drawn to each other by minuscule amounts.  Wouldn't that make it constitute as a force is two objects move towards each other?

geodesics.

Okay, so in FE, what is gravitation caused by?

I'm not talking about the UA, I mean like in specialized systems where masses are drawn to each other by minuscule amounts.  Wouldn't that make it constitute as a force if two objects move towards each other?

The curvature of spacetime and geodesics are the same as RE gravity. Calling it a force is the only difference.

Why not call it a force?  What would you call something that causes objects to move towards each other?