My $0.02

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My $0.02
« on: December 04, 2007, 03:10:06 PM »
it is impossible to conclusively disprove any scientific hypothesis. 
That includes such hypotheses as the earth is flat,
photography steals the soul of the object being photographed, and apples
are highly toxic to humans.  To hold on to such hypotheses, it may be
necessary to put forth some rather farfetched explanations of what we can
observe, but it can always be done.

In fact, science does not work by conclusively and indisputably refuting
bad hypotheses.  Instead, hypotheses stand or fail on their ability to
explain known observations, and to predict the outcome of observations that
haven't been performed yet.  Let's take the flat earth versus round earth
hypotheses as an example.  A round earth is the most stable shape according
to gravitational theory; a flat earth would tend to collapse toward the
center, and people standing near the edges would feel a gravitational pull
toward the center of the flat surface instead of perpendicular to the
surface.  Your  could counter that gravitational theory is wrong;
magic holds us to the earth.  This may be true, but it doesn't explain why
gravitational theory works so well at explaining how things fall, and the
observed trajectories of the planets and their moons.  You could tell someone
 that photographs of the earth from space show that it is round,
just like the globe model you see everywhere. You could counter that those
photographs are government fakes.  Perhaps so, but we can see that other
planets and moons are round;  wouldn't it make more sense to say that the
earth is round, too?  You could say that the earth is special and
different.  You could ask how numerous people have sailed or flown around
the earth if the earth is flat.  You would have to say that every one of
these people, separated as they are in time and space, belongs to the same
great conspiracy aimed at brainwashing us into supposing that the earth is
round.  You could ask about the communications networks that are linked
by satellite - how can you have satellites orbiting a flat earth?  He might
then tell you that there really aren't any satellite links - everything is
connected by wires, or a close-packed array of relay antennas.

We could go on and on, and I know you HAVE gone on
and on.  As you see, there is no single fact  you could tell your anyone
that they couldn't dispute in some way.  If you step back and look at it,
though,what kind of world would it have to be if the FEer's were right?
Gravity doesn't function here like it does everywhere else in the solar
system, there's a huge conspiracy reaching across hundreds of years to
convince us (for no apparent reason) that the earth is round instead of
flat, the progression of the seasons, and even of day and night, are
controlled by the gods.  Eventually, a reasonable person would have to
concede that it would make a lot more sense to agree that the earth is
indeed round.

There are some other theories to explain things that do not meet this test
of scientific reasonableness, yet are still put forth and defended by many
people in society.  This example of the flat earth hypothesis lets you see
how difficult it is to change someone's mind when they're set on some
strange or unrealistic theory.  It also lets you see that just if a theory
"can't be disproven" doesn't necessarily mean that it is correct, or that
it should be taken seriously for very long.

My $0.02

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2007, 03:14:37 PM »
You've spent to much time actually 'thinking' on this site.  You suck.

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2007, 03:17:20 PM »
Thanks!

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Tom Bishop

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2007, 03:28:46 PM »
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It also lets you see that just if a theory "can't be disproven" doesn't necessarily mean that it is correct, or that it should be taken seriously for very long.

That's exactly how we feel about the Round Earth Theory.

Except, the RE theory can and has been disproven on numerous occasions.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2007, 03:30:50 PM by Tom Bishop »

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2007, 03:33:26 PM »
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It also lets you see that just if a theory "can't be disproven" doesn't necessarily mean that it is correct, or that it should be taken seriously for very long.

That's exactly how we feel about the Round Earth Theory.

Except, the RE theory can and has been disproven on numerous occasions.

If it has been proven, on numerous, please enlighten me.

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Spacehopperjoe

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 03:33:51 PM »
(for no apparent reason)

There is allways a reason!!! Its why the conspiracy exsists. We just dont know it, because of the consiracy.

Thats what I would say if I were in the hypothical situation of the FE'ers being right.

This example of the flat earth hypothesis lets you see
how difficult it is to change someone's mind when they're set on some
strange or unrealistic theory.

This belief that you are right in the face of overwhelming odds is what you call faith, cornerstone of all religon. Its alright when it sticks with religon but when it fannys around with science it should be shot down, and rightfully so! I love how this is reinforced with the thousands of people who post the same stuff over and over, and they join every day. lol Nice to see some variety at least.


Read the FAQ first, it will save half of you looking like fools!

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 03:36:34 PM »
(for no apparent reason)

There is allways a reason!!! Its why the conspiracy exsists. We just dont know it, because of the consiracy.

Thats what I would say if I were in the hypothical situation of the FE'ers being right.

This example of the flat earth hypothesis lets you see
how difficult it is to change someone's mind when they're set on some
strange or unrealistic theory.

This belief that you are right in the face of overwhelming odds is what you call faith, cornerstone of all religon. Its alright when it sticks with religon but when it fannys around with science it should be shot down, and rightfully so! I love how this is reinforced with the thousands of people who post the same stuff over and over, and they join every day. lol Nice to see some variety at least.





You are so not British!

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cpt_bthimes

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 03:45:36 PM »
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It also lets you see that just if a theory "can't be disproven" doesn't necessarily mean that it is correct, or that it should be taken seriously for very long.

That's exactly how we feel about the Round Earth Theory.

what twilight zone world do you live on?  which model has the most sane and non-contradictory observations that also happen to best fit observation?


Except, the RE theory can and has been disproven on numerous occasions.

you make alot of stand-alone, ad-hoc assertions, bishop - which invariably prove to be pathetically false and unfounded, a flat-out lie of convenience, or your only supporting "evidence" is a pamphlet from a 200 year old idiot trying to prove the literalness of the bible.  you are not allowed to just make arbitrary, unsupported assertions anymore.  you must back them up with specifics.

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cpt_bthimes

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 03:46:15 PM »
it is impossible to conclusively disprove any scientific hypothesis. 
That includes such hypotheses as the earth is flat,
photography steals the soul of the object being photographed, and apples
are highly toxic to humans.  To hold on to such hypotheses, it may be
necessary to put forth some rather farfetched explanations of what we can
observe, but it can always be done.

In fact, science does not work by conclusively and indisputably refuting
bad hypotheses.  Instead, hypotheses stand or fail on their ability to
explain known observations, and to predict the outcome of observations that
haven't been performed yet.  Let's take the flat earth versus round earth
hypotheses as an example.  A round earth is the most stable shape according
to gravitational theory; a flat earth would tend to collapse toward the
center, and people standing near the edges would feel a gravitational pull
toward the center of the flat surface instead of perpendicular to the
surface.  Your  could counter that gravitational theory is wrong;
magic holds us to the earth.  This may be true, but it doesn't explain why
gravitational theory works so well at explaining how things fall, and the
observed trajectories of the planets and their moons.  You could tell someone
 that photographs of the earth from space show that it is round,
just like the globe model you see everywhere. You could counter that those
photographs are government fakes.  Perhaps so, but we can see that other
planets and moons are round;  wouldn't it make more sense to say that the
earth is round, too?  You could say that the earth is special and
different.  You could ask how numerous people have sailed or flown around
the earth if the earth is flat.  You would have to say that every one of
these people, separated as they are in time and space, belongs to the same
great conspiracy aimed at brainwashing us into supposing that the earth is
round.  You could ask about the communications networks that are linked
by satellite - how can you have satellites orbiting a flat earth?  He might
then tell you that there really aren't any satellite links - everything is
connected by wires, or a close-packed array of relay antennas.

We could go on and on, and I know you HAVE gone on
and on.  As you see, there is no single fact  you could tell your anyone
that they couldn't dispute in some way.  If you step back and look at it,
though,what kind of world would it have to be if the FEer's were right?
Gravity doesn't function here like it does everywhere else in the solar
system, there's a huge conspiracy reaching across hundreds of years to
convince us (for no apparent reason) that the earth is round instead of
flat, the progression of the seasons, and even of day and night, are
controlled by the gods.  Eventually, a reasonable person would have to
concede that it would make a lot more sense to agree that the earth is
indeed round.

There are some other theories to explain things that do not meet this test
of scientific reasonableness, yet are still put forth and defended by many
people in society.  This example of the flat earth hypothesis lets you see
how difficult it is to change someone's mind when they're set on some
strange or unrealistic theory.  It also lets you see that just if a theory
"can't be disproven" doesn't necessarily mean that it is correct, or that
it should be taken seriously for very long.

My $0.02

well-put.

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2007, 03:53:49 PM »
Thanks, I had t redeem myself from my first topic haha.

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cpt_bthimes

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2007, 04:11:00 PM »
Thanks, I had t redeem myself from my first topic haha.

can you say that with a funny electronic voice?

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2007, 04:44:55 PM »
I could try, but it would not be very funny.

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Trekky0623

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2007, 04:51:14 PM »
Round Earth has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

There's still doubt, like that pictures are fake.

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Dioptimus Drime

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2007, 04:58:55 PM »
Things can be proven and disproven, just not conclusively, because you never know what other evidence might come up. The debate is for--on top of just the mental excercise--comparing both sides and see which one has more conclusive evidence, mathematical or experimental. Such is the importance of all debates, even when nothing can ever be entirely indisputed.


~D-Draw

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Trekky0623

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2007, 05:04:20 PM »
Exactly.

I CLAIM OCEAN'S FLOAT!!!  YOU CANNOT DISPROVE ME!!!

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Gabe

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2007, 05:19:23 PM »
Exactly.

I CLAIM OCEAN'S FLOAT!!!  YOU CANNOT DISPROVE ME!!!

Hahaha, classic.  ;D
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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2007, 06:35:25 PM »
Thanks, I had t redeem myself from my first topic haha.

Most people just leave thinking they've won.

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2007, 02:58:23 AM »
I have won

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Conspiracy Mastermind

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2007, 03:22:42 AM »
FE has been disproved on countless occasions. All evidence in favor of FE/against RE is part of a conspiracy.
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there is no optical light, there is just light and theres no other type of light unless you start talkling about energy saving lightbulbs compared to other types of light bulbs
ENaG: Evidence Not a Guarantee.

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Chris Spaghetti

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2007, 04:00:59 AM »
ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FE!!

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2007, 03:18:39 PM »

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Raist

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2007, 05:00:29 AM »
Even though I believe in the RE lol

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Username

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2007, 05:15:54 AM »
The Flat Earth Society triumphs over all adversaries again!
"You are a very reasonable man John." - D1

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2007, 05:40:28 AM »
The Flat Earth Society triumphs over all adversaries again!

Prove it!

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2007, 06:08:10 AM »
I just did...

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Username

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2007, 06:37:01 AM »
QED!

Raw Raw Rawww!
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Tom Dipshit

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2007, 07:28:46 AM »
*insert football cheer here*

LETS GO FE!
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Narcberry (smarticus): "Oceans are free from gravity."

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Bushido

Re: My $0.02
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2007, 02:29:52 PM »
it is impossible to conclusively disprove any scientific hypothesis. 
That includes such hypotheses as the earth is flat,
photography steals the soul of the object being photographed, and apples
are highly toxic to humans.  To hold on to such hypotheses, it may be
necessary to put forth some rather farfetched explanations of what we can
observe, but it can always be done.

In fact, science does not work by conclusively and indisputably refuting
bad hypotheses.  Instead, hypotheses stand or fail on their ability to
explain known observations, and to predict the outcome of observations that
haven't been performed yet.  Let's take the flat earth versus round earth
hypotheses as an example.  A round earth is the most stable shape according
to gravitational theory; a flat earth would tend to collapse toward the
center, and people standing near the edges would feel a gravitational pull
toward the center of the flat surface instead of perpendicular to the
surface.  Your  could counter that gravitational theory is wrong;
magic holds us to the earth.  This may be true, but it doesn't explain why
gravitational theory works so well at explaining how things fall, and the
observed trajectories of the planets and their moons.  You could tell someone
 that photographs of the earth from space show that it is round,
just like the globe model you see everywhere. You could counter that those
photographs are government fakes.  Perhaps so, but we can see that other
planets and moons are round;  wouldn't it make more sense to say that the
earth is round, too?  You could say that the earth is special and
different.  You could ask how numerous people have sailed or flown around
the earth if the earth is flat.  You would have to say that every one of
these people, separated as they are in time and space, belongs to the same
great conspiracy aimed at brainwashing us into supposing that the earth is
round.  You could ask about the communications networks that are linked
by satellite - how can you have satellites orbiting a flat earth?  He might
then tell you that there really aren't any satellite links - everything is
connected by wires, or a close-packed array of relay antennas.

We could go on and on, and I know you HAVE gone on
and on.  As you see, there is no single fact  you could tell your anyone
that they couldn't dispute in some way.  If you step back and look at it,
though,what kind of world would it have to be if the FEer's were right?
Gravity doesn't function here like it does everywhere else in the solar
system, there's a huge conspiracy reaching across hundreds of years to
convince us (for no apparent reason) that the earth is round instead of
flat, the progression of the seasons, and even of day and night, are
controlled by the gods.  Eventually, a reasonable person would have to
concede that it would make a lot more sense to agree that the earth is
indeed round.

There are some other theories to explain things that do not meet this test
of scientific reasonableness, yet are still put forth and defended by many
people in society.  This example of the flat earth hypothesis lets you see
how difficult it is to change someone's mind when they're set on some
strange or unrealistic theory.  It also lets you see that just if a theory
"can't be disproven" doesn't necessarily mean that it is correct, or that
it should be taken seriously for very long.

My $0.02

You're dumb. You don't even know what a scientific hypothesis is.

Tl;dr. Oh, yeah, dongs, too.

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Raist

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Re: My $0.02
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2007, 03:15:05 PM »
5 yard penalty, on the Round Earth. First down.