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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #90 on: December 11, 2007, 09:57:34 PM »
I was calculating what the speed is according to your flat earth theory, you do not involve relativity at all when figuring that out. You would use it to find out your current mass, but I can tell you if FE theory was true (which we can obviously observe it's not) we and everything else on the earth would have infinite mass.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #91 on: December 11, 2007, 10:41:13 PM »
Another RE'er who thinks Einstein only contributed one equation to the world.  Relativity is much, much more than one equation.  But, someone that is familiar with Relativity would know this. 
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #92 on: December 11, 2007, 10:50:42 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 10:41:13 PM
Another RE'er who thinks Einstein only contributed one equation to the world.  Relativity is much, much more than one equation.  But, someone that is familiar with Relativity would know this. 

Why don't you explain to us how a constantly accelerating massive object fits in with the theory of relativity. As far as I know, the theory of relativity proves flat earth's explanation for why things stay on the surface of the earth wrong, how does it not?
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2007, 10:53:09 PM »
Relativity states that no object can accelerate to the speed of light.  Therefore, the FE can accelerate forever and never reach the speed of light. 
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2007, 10:58:52 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 10:53:09 PM
Relativity states that no object can accelerate to the speed of light.  Therefore, the FE can accelerate forever and never reach the speed of light. 
Love the reasoning.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2007, 11:01:18 PM »
I have math to support my claim.  Do you have any to prove me wrong?
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2007, 11:02:37 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:01:18 PM
I have math to support my claim.  Do you have any to prove me wrong?
Love to see this math
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2007, 11:05:34 PM »
I would also just love to see the math behind your reasoning.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #98 on: December 11, 2007, 11:06:03 PM »
From the equations of Relativity:

w=(u+v)/(1+u*v/c^2)

where u is the current velocity, v is 9.8m/s, due to the earth accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 for one second, c is the speed of light, and w is the new velocity, to be used as u in the next iteration.  Start at u=0 and let me know how long it takes us to reach the speed of light.

Wow, it must suck to be you guys right about now.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #99 on: December 11, 2007, 11:06:33 PM »
hahahaha, this thread is hilarious.

I'm here, LOLing my ass off at these n00bs.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2007, 11:09:19 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 10:53:09 PM
Relativity states that no object can accelerate to the speed of light.  Therefore, the FE can accelerate forever and never reach the speed of light. 


But do you know why an object can never reach the speed of light according to the theory of relativity? It states that as an object nears the speed of light its mass increases, requiring an exponentially increasing source of power to accelerate us. So is the power source infinite?
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2007, 11:11:04 PM »
Quote from: Galileo the Great on December 11, 2007, 11:09:19 PM
So is the power source infinite?
Why would it be?

So how about those equations to prove me wrong?  I showed you mine.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2007, 11:11:50 PM »
it doesn't need to be infinite. Just very large.

Nobody knows whether or not the Dark Energy will run out. To me, it is a constant worry.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #103 on: December 11, 2007, 11:15:53 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: Galileo the Great on December 11, 2007, 11:09:19 PM
So is the power source infinite?
Why would it be?
Because our mass would constantly be increasing, requiring a corresponding increase in power, eventually the power source would have to be infinite.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #104 on: December 11, 2007, 11:22:33 PM »
That doesn't explain how it must be infinite.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #105 on: December 11, 2007, 11:25:11 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:06:03 PM
From the equations of Relativity:

w=(u+v)/(1+u*v/c^2)

where u is the current velocity, v is 9.8m/s, due to the earth accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 for one second, c is the speed of light, and w is the new velocity, to be used as u in the next iteration.  Start at u=0 and let me know how long it takes us to reach the speed of light.

Wow, it must suck to be you guys right about now.
If we were just starting to learn about relativity we would use that equation but too bad for you that is not the proper way to solve the problem.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #106 on: December 11, 2007, 11:28:28 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:22:33 PM
That doesn't explain how it must be infinite.
Because the closer we get to the speed of light the greater our mass, things with greater mass require more energy to move. Eventually as we get extremely close to the speed of light our mass would be almost infinite, and to continue to accelerate at a constant "rate" as you say would require an infinite amount of energy.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #107 on: December 11, 2007, 11:29:15 PM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on December 11, 2007, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:06:03 PM
From the equations of Relativity:

w=(u+v)/(1+u*v/c^2)

where u is the current velocity, v is 9.8m/s, due to the earth accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 for one second, c is the speed of light, and w is the new velocity, to be used as u in the next iteration.  Start at u=0 and let me know how long it takes us to reach the speed of light.

Wow, it must suck to be you guys right about now.
If we were just starting to learn about relativity we would use that equation but too bad for you that is not the proper way to solve the problem.

He just copied and pasted it from here

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/velocity.html

It's the first hit on google.  ::)
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Loard Z

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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #108 on: December 11, 2007, 11:30:28 PM »
Quote from: Galileo the Great on December 11, 2007, 11:29:15 PM
Quote from: cbarnett97 on December 11, 2007, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:06:03 PM
From the equations of Relativity:

w=(u+v)/(1+u*v/c^2)

where u is the current velocity, v is 9.8m/s, due to the earth accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 for one second, c is the speed of light, and w is the new velocity, to be used as u in the next iteration.  Start at u=0 and let me know how long it takes us to reach the speed of light.

Wow, it must suck to be you guys right about now.
If we were just starting to learn about relativity we would use that equation but too bad for you that is not the proper way to solve the problem.

He just copied and pasted it from here

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/velocity.html

It's the first hit on google.  ::)

Amazing, and you still knew nothing about it.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #109 on: December 11, 2007, 11:30:46 PM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on December 11, 2007, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:06:03 PM
From the equations of Relativity:

w=(u+v)/(1+u*v/c^2)

where u is the current velocity, v is 9.8m/s, due to the earth accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 for one second, c is the speed of light, and w is the new velocity, to be used as u in the next iteration.  Start at u=0 and let me know how long it takes us to reach the speed of light.

Wow, it must suck to be you guys right about now.
If we were just starting to learn about relativity we would use that equation but too bad for you that is not the proper way to solve the problem.
There are a few ways to solve the problem.  This is one.  One which works.  Too bad for you and your argument, though.  Next time you should do some research.  It would keep you from looking so foolish.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #110 on: December 11, 2007, 11:32:11 PM »
Quote from: Galileo the Great on December 11, 2007, 11:29:15 PM
He just copied and pasted it from here
Actually, I got it from my modern physics class.  But that site is fine too.  Too bad you guys didn't know about it sooner, it may have allowed you two to save some face.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #111 on: December 11, 2007, 11:34:08 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: Galileo the Great on December 11, 2007, 11:29:15 PM
He just copied and pasted it from here
Actually, I got it from my modern physics class.  But that site is fine too.  Too bad you guys didn't know about it sooner, it may have allowed you two to save some face.

LOL, classic ownage.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #112 on: December 11, 2007, 11:35:39 PM »
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How Do You Add Velocities in Special Relativity?

Suppose an object A is moving with a velocity v relative to an object B and B is moving with a velocity u (in the same direction) relative to an object C.  What is the velocity of A relative to C?

                             v
                   u      -------> A
                -------> B
               C        w
                ----------------->

In non-relativistic mechanics the velocities are simply added and the answer is that A is moving with a velocity w = u+v relative to C.  But in special relativity the velocities must be combined using the formula

   
         w = (u + v)/(1 + uv/c2)


What does adding relative speeds have to do with the problems regarding the theory of a constantly accelerating earth?
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #113 on: December 11, 2007, 11:38:11 PM »
Because a constantly accelerating Earth can never surpass the speed of light, like any other object.

So relativistic effects must be taken into account.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #114 on: December 11, 2007, 11:38:40 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:06:03 PM
From the equations of Relativity:

w=(u+v)/(1+u*v/c^2)

where u is the current velocity, v is 9.8m/s, due to the earth accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 for one second, c is the speed of light, and w is the new velocity, to be used as u in the next iteration.  Start at u=0 and let me know how long it takes us to reach the speed of light.

Wow, it must suck to be you guys right about now.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #115 on: December 11, 2007, 11:40:36 PM »
I'm still wondering how adding speeds together explains your position. For a guy who claims to be some sort of physics expert, you sure are bad at explaining your equations and their meaning.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #116 on: December 11, 2007, 11:41:08 PM »
You need to solve it so that it will be frame invariant, which means that it is the same for all observers. I am looking through my old textbooks right now but I remember something about when solving you will find that it takes more and more force to keep up the acceleration as you approach C, I will post the equations as soon as I find the right book
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #117 on: December 11, 2007, 11:43:02 PM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on December 11, 2007, 11:41:08 PM
You need to solve it so that it will be frame invariant, which means that it is the same for all observers. I am looking through my old textbooks right now but I remember something about when solving you will find that it takes more and more force to keep up the acceleration as you approach C, I will post the equations as soon as I find the right book
So, how is that going to disprove me?
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #118 on: December 11, 2007, 11:43:50 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:06:03 PM
From the equations of Relativity:

w=(u+v)/(1+u*v/c^2)

where u is the current velocity, v is 9.8m/s, due to the earth accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 for one second, c is the speed of light, and w is the new velocity, to be used as u in the next iteration.  Start at u=0 and let me know how long it takes us to reach the speed of light.

Wow, it must suck to be you guys right about now.

Perhaps you missed that part.
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Re: Acceleration of the Earth
« Reply #119 on: December 11, 2007, 11:45:04 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 11, 2007, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: cbarnett97 on December 11, 2007, 11:41:08 PM
You need to solve it so that it will be frame invariant, which means that it is the same for all observers. I am looking through my old textbooks right now but I remember something about when solving you will find that it takes more and more force to keep up the acceleration as you approach C, I will post the equations as soon as I find the right book
So, how is that going to disprove me?
How does your equation disprove us? Explain it. Don't just spit out an equation from google. Show us that you know what you're talking about..you just might have some more credibility.
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