at the end of the day...

if FET really had "proof" of a flat earth it would be widely accepted by now , that's how science works. surely some 1 would have noticed this now , argued it at a university or some sort of science convention or what ever they do , just like all other theory's , but the fact is no one gives this theory a 2nd look. people on this site just want to feel different , they like the fact that they "know" the earth is flat yet 6 billion other people think its round , it makes them feel special.

the science community wouldn't just sit back and say ,  u know all them experiments that the dude did on the lake that proved the flatness of the earth, lets just ignore them and believe what ever we are told. yet argue , debate , prove , test every other theory but just leave the shape of the earth even though people have "proved" its flat .

people on this site just want to feel different , they like the fact that they "know" the earth is flat yet 6 billion other people think its round , it makes them feel special.

Uh oh, another 13 yr old psychologist.

Quote from: tommo on December 02, 2007, 09:54:53 AM

people on this site just want to feel different , they like the fact that they "know" the earth is flat yet 6 billion other people think its round , it makes them feel special.

Uh oh, another 13 yr old psychologist.

thanks for commenting on 1 bit and leaving all the rest

I'm commenting on what I think is the most important part.  TFES isn't about 'feeling different' and 'feeling special', it's about obtaining and exposing the truth.

I'm commenting on what I think is the most important part.  TFES isn't about 'feeling different' and 'feeling special', it's about obtaining and exposing the truth.

and why havnt the scientific community picked up on all these "facts" and "proofs" if the theory has been around for ages ?

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

so you don't know why a theory so full with facts and evidence and experiments is not accepted by the worlds best minds....

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.

Hint Hint

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 10:16:34 AM

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

so you don't know why a theory so full with facts and evidence and experiments is not accepted by the worlds best minds....

hint hint

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

So you don't even know yourself then? If you need Tom Bishop to answer on your behalf...don't bother answering mate.

I won't say Tom Bishop seems like a great person to represent the FE community.  He seems to leave most of the threads when someone makes a good point that he has no response to.  His main beliefs for FE also seem to be the child like "it looks flat when I look out of the window," and because "rowbothom said so."

Quote from: tommo on December 02, 2007, 10:20:25 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 10:16:34 AM

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

so you don't know why a theory so full with facts and evidence and experiments is not accepted by the worlds best minds....

hint hint

Read the first line again.  Hint Hint

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 10:16:34 AM

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

So you don't even know yourself then? If you need Tom Bishop to answer on your behalf...don't bother answering mate.

You see, I gave you a reply which you could have simply accepted and waited for the reply which I'm expecting, but instead you took the bullshit approach and started making stupid posts about how I don't know why.  You're complaining about yourself.

Quote from: tommo on December 02, 2007, 10:23:30 AM

Quote from: tommo on December 02, 2007, 10:20:25 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 10:16:34 AM

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

so you don't know why a theory so full with facts and evidence and experiments is not accepted by the worlds best minds....

hint hint

Read the first line again.  Hint Hint

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 10:26:08 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 10:16:34 AM

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

So you don't even know yourself then? If you need Tom Bishop to answer on your behalf...don't bother answering mate.

You see, I gave you a reply which you could have simply accepted and waited for the reply which I'm expecting, but instead you took the bullshit approach and started making stupid posts about how I don't know why.  You're complaining about yourself.

No...because I believe is round and can present evidence on my own behalf for that. That's the difference mate.

You've been pestering me to give a reply when I already said Tom Bishop would cover the topic the best.  Then you complain that I shouldn't bother answering if Tom Bishop will be giving the answer.  You're complaining about yourself.

You've been pestering me to give a reply when I already said Tom Bishop would cover the topic the best.  Then you complain that I shouldn't bother answering if Tom Bishop will be giving the answer.  You're complaining about yourself.

So what you doing here then?

Pointing out that you're complaining about yourself, duh.

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 10:16:34 AM

I believe Tom Bishop covers that the best.  There's the Earth: Not a Globe quote with the 150 word sentence, and his own words on the subject.  I hope he posts them.

so you don't know why a theory so full with facts and evidence and experiments is not accepted by the worlds best minds....

Tom Bishop is the world's best minds....all of them...

Pointing out that you're complaining about yourself, duh.

Thanks...but I'm not. Just moaning about you following something which you need other people to explain for you.

But thanks for the concern.

lol @ n00bs.

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 10:58:08 AM

Pointing out that you're complaining about yourself, duh.

Thanks...but I'm not. Just moaning about you following something which you need other people to explain for you.

But thanks for the concern.

Hehe. Hint Hint

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 11:03:54 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ireland on December 02, 2007, 10:58:08 AM

Pointing out that you're complaining about yourself, duh.

Thanks...but I'm not. Just moaning about you following something which you need other people to explain for you.

But thanks for the concern.

Hehe. Hint Hint

I said earlier that I can produce evidence for my own belief without the help others.

You missed the hint.  Anyway, what evidence have you produced showing the earth to be round which required no help from others?

You missed the hint.  Anyway, what evidence have you produced showing the earth to be round which required no help from others?

I have reasons for my belief. Which if you want I can state now. But you on the other hand resort to someone else to state reasons for you beliefs. In other words...why do you believe.

I'm going for a cigarette. Then I'll say why I believe the earth is round.

I'm going for a cigarette. Then I'll say why I believe the earth is round.

In other words, "I have to go look up something on the interwebs that I could possibly have thought up/done myself.  Brb."

Which if you want I can state now. But you on the other hand resort to someone else to state reasons for you beliefs. In other words...why do you believe.

I do not rely on Tom Bishop for reasoning for my beliefs.  Hint Hint.

TheEngineer basically covered that other part. 

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 11:22:35 AM

I'm going for a cigarette. Then I'll say why I believe the earth is round.

In other words, "I have to go look up something on the interwebs that I could possibly have thought up/done myself.  Brb."

Yes quite...like why would there be a worldwide conspiracy to convey that the earth is round? It would serve no purpose.

I live on the south coast of england, all the satellite dishes face towards the sea and up. There's nothing out there.

I regular see the hull of ship disappear below the horizon due to visits to the beach. No optical illusion. Mast and hull are at the same distance.

Oh...an ice wall? Water forming an ice wall before it had the chance to fall off the earth?

You agree you believe the earth is round, correct?  What does a satellite dish facing 'towards the sea and up' have to do with evidence of a round earth?  That giant organizations told you what they're pointing to?  And ships disappearing below the horizon, how do you know it's because the earth is round?  How do you know it's not an optical illusion?  If it were an optical illusion, you wouldn't be able to tell as you're simply observing exactly what the illusion implies you will observe, right?

You agree you believe the earth is round, correct?  What does a satellite dish facing 'towards the sea and up' have to do with evidence of a round earth?  That giant organizations told you what they're pointing to?  And ships disappearing below the horizon, how do you know it's because the earth is round?  How do you know it's not an optical illusion?  If it were an optical illusion, you wouldn't be able to tell as you're simply observing exactly what the illusion implies you will observe, right?

Why would the optical illusion affect just the hull. They are at the same distance the hull and mast.

Well...why else would a satellite dish be pointed in that direction, if a satellite do not exist. Just pointing to sea for no reason is it? I don't see any communication masts out at sea bopping up and down at sea.

 

Why would the optical illusion affect just the hull. They are at the same distance the hull and mast.

Well...why else would a satellite dish be pointed in that direction, if a satellite do not exist. Just pointing to sea for no reason is it? I don't see any communication masts out at sea bopping up and down at sea.

The optical illusion is affecting the whole ship and anything else at that distance.  The fact that you 'see the ship dipping below the horizon' is a result of the illusion.  Who says it needs to be a satellite it's pointing at, again?  It could be anything in that area.

But, I thought this was about evidence you can produce which requires no help from others.  I don't believe you've put satellites into orbit.

Quote from: edlloyd on December 02, 2007, 12:10:57 PM

Why would the optical illusion affect just the hull. They are at the same distance the hull and mast.

Well...why else would a satellite dish be pointed in that direction, if a satellite do not exist. Just pointing to sea for no reason is it? I don't see any communication masts out at sea bopping up and down at sea.

The optical illusion is affecting the whole ship and anything else at that distance.  The fact that you 'see the ship dipping below the horizon' is a result of the illusion.  Who says it needs to be a satellite it's pointing at, again?  It could be anything in that area.

But, I thought this was about evidence you can produce which requires no help from others.  I don't believe you've put satellites into orbit.

I said reasons for my beliefe...not evidence. I was moaning at you for reasons for you belief instead of refering to Bishop.

That's why I mention out towards sea. There's nothing there. So what's it facing that why for then?

I don't quite see the same affect when the moon is around the horizon though. Only works with ships does it?