Solar Energy

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Solar Energy
« on: November 26, 2007, 12:11:29 PM »
Ok, I'll keep this simple and non-scientific for now. If anyone wants to progress there ok, but I don't think it's necessary.

There are plenty of independent groups that study the Sun's energy levels on a constant basis. Many have done so for more than a decade. There are measurable patterns along these lines to provide hard data that I have seen many people in this forum request if you wish to google it.

How does the FE model explain the earth not being turned into cinders if the Sun is at the distance provided by the FAQ - or reference Earth Not A Globe?

Most all information regarding the sun is available online. If you really need to discuss it I'm happy to, but the question remains that if the Sun is only 700miles or so away, why do we even have an atmosphere left, much left a surviveable surface to our planet?

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 12:17:34 PM »
Yeah, I brought up the fact that the sun is too close to not fry people beneath it while heating the whole Earth a while ago. The RE sun is far enough away and powerful enough to make the effects of the radiation more ambient.... I'm still waiting for an answer.  :-\
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 12:21:16 PM »
The sun doesn't function the same way as believed by the round Earth model. It's not like we've got nuclear fusion happening fifty feet above our head. Pretty sure that was obvious.

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 12:35:33 PM »
um... except fusion has been verified a multitude of ways. Spectrometers, spectroscopes, pyranometers, pyrheliometers, actinometers, etc.

Really, solar radiation is energy from the sun from a nuclear fusion reaction which creates electromagnetic energy. The spectrum of this radiation matches a black body with a temperature of about 5800 Kelvin. Half of the radiation is in the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum. The other portion of energy is detected mostly in the near-infrared part, and some in the ultraviolet segment of the spectrum, confirming fusion.

But you are correct that the sun is not fifty feet high...  ;)
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 12:59:00 PM »
I agree...
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 09:51:12 PM »
hmm all quiet on the (flat) western front
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 05:03:14 AM »
Hey! the posts made a pattern till I posted!  :o
Spoooky.
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 05:12:58 AM »
Err... you guys are forgetting the simple fact that the FE sun is powered by coal.
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2007, 11:17:48 AM »
Err... you guys are forgetting the simple fact that the FE sun is powered by coal.
Nuclear coal though.  8)
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2007, 02:36:18 PM »
bump.
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2007, 02:38:05 PM »
If the sun is only 3000 miles away why does it take 8 minutes for light to hit earth

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2007, 02:41:14 PM »
Good one. I'm interested to read what the possibilities are of speeding up light. Seeing as how my small post caused such a disturbance about the speed of light earlier ;D
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2007, 02:41:17 PM »
If the sun is only 3000 miles away why does it take 8 minutes for light to hit earth
How do you know it takes that long to get to Earth? Isn't that time derived from speed of light and distance? Distance varies in FE and RE.

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2007, 03:11:41 PM »
If the sun is only 3000 miles away why does it take 8 minutes for light to hit earth
How do you know it takes that long to get to Earth? Isn't that time derived from speed of light and distance? Distance varies in FE and RE.

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They fired radio waves at the sun, it took 16 minutes to get back, that's 8 each way.

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 04:35:59 PM »
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They fired radio waves at the sun, it took 16 minutes to get back, that's 8 each way.

No. That is not true. Stop making stuff up.

Radio waves cannot bounce off the sun because the sun emits all frequencies of radiation. Any such signal would be filtered out and indistinguishable from the background noise.

Show us a study of radio waves being bounced off the sun.

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2007, 05:04:55 PM »
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They fired radio waves at the sun, it took 16 minutes to get back, that's 8 each way.

No. That is not true. Stop making stuff up.

Radio waves cannot bounce off the sun because the sun emits all frequencies of radiation. Any such signal would be filtered out and indistinguishable from the background noise.

Show us a study of radio waves being bounced off the sun.
If what your saying is true, knowing you it never is, then they measured the time it takes until the waves are lost. But then again, you believe nuclear coal.
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2007, 05:10:23 PM »
Sorry, I actually have to backup Tom here...

"Ideally, we would like to bounce radio waves off of the Sun, measure how long it takes
them to get there and back, and use the speed of light to find the distance to the Sun.
Since the Sun is a ball of gas and doesnít reflect radio waves well, this idea will not work.
However, we can bounce radio waves off of Venus, and then use Keplerís Third Law to
the Earth-Sun distance."

Straight out of the ol' HAM radio bible, and schools everywhere.

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2007, 05:12:11 PM »
Lies Tom Dipshit. The waves would be lost a long way before it got to the sun.

The actual method was done by bouncing waves off of mercury and venus, and using trigonometry to measure the distance between them (given that you can measure the angles, of course)
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2007, 08:05:58 AM »
Good point. Venus crosses in front of the sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Venus
It's not as close as FE theory requires.
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2007, 12:46:20 PM »
Ok, I'll keep this simple and non-scientific for now. If anyone wants to progress there ok, but I don't think it's necessary.

There are plenty of independent groups that study the Sun's energy levels on a constant basis. Many have done so for more than a decade. There are measurable patterns along these lines to provide hard data that I have seen many people in this forum request if you wish to google it.

How does the FE model explain the earth not being turned into cinders if the Sun is at the distance provided by the FAQ - or reference Earth Not A Globe?

Most all information regarding the sun is available online. If you really need to discuss it I'm happy to, but the question remains that if the Sun is only 700miles or so away, why do we even have an atmosphere left, much left a surviveable surface to our planet?

O.P.

Yeah, I brought up the fact that the sun is too close to not fry people beneath it while heating the whole Earth a while ago. The RE sun is far enough away and powerful enough to make the effects of the radiation more ambient.... I'm still waiting for an answer.  :-\

I'm still waiting for an answer.  :-\
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2007, 01:21:00 PM »
The DEF protects us from the suns harmful radiation.
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2007, 01:26:38 PM »
WTF is the DEF?

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2007, 01:33:44 PM »
DEF = Dark Energy Field

TheEngineer already admitted he made it up...    ;)
(either that or the physics that made it work for FE, I forget)
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2007, 08:17:39 PM »
The Engineer came up with a hypothesis.
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2007, 08:21:34 PM »
The DEF protects us from the suns harmful radiation.
DEF holds our atmosphere, while our ozone layer protects us from harmful UV radiation.

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2007, 08:24:04 PM »
the ozone layer is part of the atmosphere =>
The DEF protects us from the suns harmful radiation.
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2007, 08:30:20 PM »
TheEngineer already admitted he made it up...    ;)
Einstein admitted he made up Relativity.


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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2007, 09:52:33 PM »
the ozone layer is part of the atmosphere =>
The DEF protects us from the suns harmful radiation.
Right, but I was saying that DEF itself doesn't absorb UV radiation.

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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2007, 10:00:29 PM »
no, but indirectly it does.

Wait, are we agreeing here?
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Re: Solar Energy
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2007, 10:06:25 PM »
The DEF with the atmosphere together absorb UV radiation, because ozone layer is within them. However, I was saying DEF itself, without the atmosphere, doesn't absorb UV.