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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #120 on: December 03, 2007, 07:44:48 AM »
I don't know anyone who has.  I just see someone's smiling picture on the news.  Then, I never hear of them again.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #121 on: December 03, 2007, 08:05:23 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 03, 2007, 07:44:48 AM
I don't know anyone who has.  I just see someone's smiling picture on the news.  Then, I never hear of them again.

What's your point? Not knowing these wealthy people is a hardly a justification that they are fabricated.

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on December 03, 2007, 07:42:21 AM
Are you saying that nobody has accepted the offer to take a trip to the edge of space?
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #122 on: December 03, 2007, 09:55:11 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 03, 2007, 07:44:48 AM
I don't know anyone who has.  I just see someone's smiling picture on the news.  Then, I never hear of them again.

why would we hear more of them ? see them at red carpet events for being famous . see them in TV interviews ? where would you possible see them more ? they are normal people , just with more money.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #123 on: December 04, 2007, 12:05:16 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 09:48:11 AM
Holy crap!  They can get that plane into medium Earth orbit!!



Well, there goes that site's credibility.

well, you did pick an extreme wide-angle shot, and the horizon is severely distorted and absurdly curved, so that's a pretty easy straw-man for you to knock down.  maybe you didn't know it was extreme wide angle though, but if not, you know now.  there are however, a couple of other pictures in the same cluster with longer focal lengths which look to be more accurate.

either way, i would not personally feel comfortable presenting a picture showing the curvature of the earth--where the level of lens distortion is important to consider--from a camera and focal length that weren't documented.  so that rules them all out for me...at least as candidates for presentation as evidence.  (obviously i don't find the two that appear to be of longer focal lengths with minimal distortion, to be any surprise.)

but bishop, at least, is big on personal anecdote.  he even solicited it once as suitable evidence.  so why are the anecdotes listed on the site not enough?  (note, i haven't revealed what i think about anecdote as evidence.)
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #124 on: December 04, 2007, 07:15:20 AM »
Quote from: cpt_bthimes on December 04, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
it was extreme wide angle though
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #125 on: December 04, 2007, 08:46:47 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 04, 2007, 07:15:20 AM
Quote from: cpt_bthimes on December 04, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
it was extreme wide angle though
Thanks, Captain Obvious.

if it was that obvious to you, why did you use it as an example to knock down?  was it an attempt at humor?
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #126 on: December 04, 2007, 08:50:47 AM »
Quote from: cpt_bthimes on December 04, 2007, 08:46:47 AM
why did you use it as an example to knock down?
To use it as an example to knock down...
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #127 on: December 04, 2007, 10:06:01 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 04, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
Quote from: cpt_bthimes on December 04, 2007, 08:46:47 AM
why did you use it as an example to knock down?
To use it as an example to knock down...

then there is no reason i should have assumed you found it obvious, as you implied.  pity the fool who assumed your were being genuous :-*
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #128 on: December 04, 2007, 10:34:33 AM »
Perhaps you should turn on your sarcasm detector.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #129 on: December 04, 2007, 01:50:53 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 04, 2007, 10:34:33 AM
Perhaps you should turn on your sarcasm detector.
Yes. It is perfectly obvious based on the only the text you write what your tone is.

...Shoot I just proved my self wrong.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #130 on: December 04, 2007, 01:59:22 PM »
What?
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #131 on: December 04, 2007, 02:04:32 PM »
I was sarcastic about the tone always being obvious in the first sentence. If you could detect that sarcasm, then the sentence in and of itself was incorrect.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #132 on: December 07, 2007, 04:54:27 AM »
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on December 03, 2007, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 03, 2007, 07:44:48 AM
I don't know anyone who has.  I just see someone's smiling picture on the news.  Then, I never hear of them again.

What's your point? Not knowing these wealthy people is a hardly a justification that they are fabricated.

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on December 03, 2007, 07:42:21 AM
Are you saying that nobody has accepted the offer to take a trip to the edge of space?
Let me elaborate, I haven't seen France yet I don't conclude it isn't there, because I know other people have been to France (among other reasons).
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #133 on: December 07, 2007, 05:05:29 AM »
ive yet to see any good reason why this trip isnt real
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #134 on: December 07, 2007, 06:20:24 AM »
I've yet to see any good reason why this trip is real.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #135 on: December 07, 2007, 06:45:04 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 07, 2007, 06:20:24 AM
I've yet to see any good reason why this trip is real.

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/edgeofspace.html

that's my proof its real , you have any contradicting proof that it isn't ?
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #136 on: December 07, 2007, 06:46:44 AM »
Quote from: tommo on December 07, 2007, 06:45:04 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 07, 2007, 06:20:24 AM
I've yet to see any good reason why this trip is real.

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/edgeofspace.html

that's my proof its real , you have any contradicting proof that it isn't ?
Well she does work closely with NASA members.  I don't really take what they say at face value, let alone what most sites say.  Why should I take what hers says?
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #137 on: December 07, 2007, 06:47:04 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 09:48:11 AM
Holy crap!  They can get that plane into medium Earth orbit!!



Well, there goes that site's credibility.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #138 on: December 07, 2007, 06:55:29 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on December 07, 2007, 06:47:04 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 09:48:11 AM
Holy crap!  They can get that plane into medium Earth orbit!!



Well, there goes that site's credibility.

Quote from: cpt_bthimes on December 04, 2007, 12:05:16 AM

well, you did pick an extreme wide-angle shot, and the horizon is severely distorted and absurdly curved, so that's a pretty easy straw-man for you to knock down.  maybe you didn't know it was extreme wide angle though, but if not, you know now.  there are however, a couple of other pictures in the same cluster with longer focal lengths which look to be more accurate.

either way, i would not personally feel comfortable presenting a picture showing the curvature of the earth--where the level of lens distortion is important to consider--from a camera and focal length that weren't documented.  so that rules them all out for me...at least as candidates for presentation as evidence.  (obviously i don't find the two that appear to be of longer focal lengths with minimal distortion, to be any surprise.)

got anything else ?
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #139 on: December 07, 2007, 07:01:39 AM »





ive yet to see contradicting proof , just assumptions or opinions.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #140 on: December 07, 2007, 07:14:24 AM »
I'd hardly call poorly made advertisements 'proof'
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #141 on: December 07, 2007, 07:18:12 AM »
*On a side note,

I would love to look up and instead of seeing blue you see the black of space. You would have to be so high up!!!

If I had the money I would fly to the edge!!!!
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #142 on: December 07, 2007, 07:58:25 AM »
Quote from: Username on December 07, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
I'd hardly call poorly made advertisements 'proof'

you keep saying stuff like this yet are posting no contradicting proof of your own ? i can only assume its true if you guys have no proof to disprove it .
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #143 on: December 07, 2007, 08:00:47 AM »
Quote from: tommo on December 07, 2007, 07:58:25 AM
Quote from: Username on December 07, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
I'd hardly call poorly made advertisements 'proof'

you keep saying stuff like this yet are posting no contradicting proof of your own ? i can only assume its true if you guys have no proof to disprove it .
You can assume whatever you want.  Really doesn't bother us at all.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #144 on: December 07, 2007, 08:13:34 AM »
Quote from: Username on December 07, 2007, 08:00:47 AM
You can assume whatever you want.  Really doesn't bother us at all.

hey , if you cant prove that this site is fake , then its real , and if its real it says the earth is round .
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #145 on: December 07, 2007, 09:30:52 AM »
Quote from: tommo on December 07, 2007, 08:13:34 AM
Quote from: Username on December 07, 2007, 08:00:47 AM
You can assume whatever you want.  Really doesn't bother us at all.

hey , if you cant prove that this site is fake , then its real , and if its real it says the earth is round .
Because that isn't faulty logic.  How about I spent a dollar on a .info and throw up saying something like "Contact me for a free view from space of the flat earth."  Since you couldn't prove it false, it would have to be real.

However, since you asked, we've already shown the earth is flat;  by your claim that would be proof that the site is fake.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #146 on: December 07, 2007, 10:31:59 AM »
Quote from: tommo on December 07, 2007, 08:13:34 AM
hey , if you cant prove that this site is fake , then its real , and if its real it says the earth is round .

LOL.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #147 on: December 07, 2007, 11:30:18 AM »
Quote from: tommo on December 07, 2007, 08:13:34 AM
Quote from: Username on December 07, 2007, 08:00:47 AM
You can assume whatever you want.  Really doesn't bother us at all.

hey , if you cant prove that this site is fake , then its real , and if its real it says the earth is round .

that's not a tight argument.  you can't prove this site isn't a fake either, but that doesn't mean it's not. 

i suppose i should rewrite that so it's not expressed as a quadruple negative, but we can always use exercise in boolean logic.
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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #148 on: December 07, 2007, 11:38:47 AM »
i was merely using the same logic that FE'er uses for there conspiracy.

'you cant prove the conspiracy wrong so its right.'

and ive still yet to see a real answer, just opinions and assumtions, (shameless plug for answers>>>) just like my different hours of sunlight thread and my scientists thread and my creation of the FE thread.

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Re: Fly a MiG-31 to the Edge of Space
« Reply #149 on: December 07, 2007, 11:39:42 AM »
Quote from: Username on December 07, 2007, 09:30:52 AM
However, since you asked, we've already shown the earth is flat;  by your claim that would be proof that the site is fake.

show me please ? i just keep seeing RE winning threads recently .
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