Slow Clocks

Ok finally so on a flat earth this situation would not be possible, However, for some unknown reason this effect is observed in that clocks which are placed at a higher altitude do in fact show a slower rate of shall we say counting. Would you agree with this statement mr engineer (based on the evidence given to us by Mr einstien and the various given data and knowledge about this particular situation?

are you saying that all we know about relativity is wrong or do you believe that it is all true.

Would a faster moving clock actually run slower or is this theory a hoax?

So now you are saying that clocks at the same altitude on the earth will run at different rates?

So now you are saying that clocks at the same altitude on the earth will run at different rates?

Quote from: Triskellion on November 24, 2007, 08:07:54 AM

Ignoring any possibility of a conspiracy (just for the time being as stated we will no doubt come back to this) how is this situation a possibility on a flat earth

How many times do I have to say it won't happen?

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Also while we are at it please could you confirm for me the rotation of a flat earth occurs around the centre point of the supposed disc just simply are we talking about the rotation of say a turntable?

Yes.


Terribly sorry about the quote thing as i need to quote from several different posts at the mo to make my point but sorry gotta do it you say: Did I?

well yes you have lets start at the begining  where you state that you believe einstiens theary which state that a clock moving faster will run slower ( i wont try to quote it cos it will annoy you but its there above me). Also above me is the fact that you believe the flat earth to be revolving about its centre( as of a turntable if i remember, once again its all above me). Also above me somwhere is tha fact that you believe that a clock which has a greater velocity will run slower. Its all there in black and white.

From these facts i can only conclude that two clocks at sea level one at the equater and another well anywhere other than the equater (lets just use the north pole for instance) would now (with your rotating flat earth) be at differening velocities and, therefore, due to einstiens theories, be runnig at differing rates. In conclusion clocks at the same (sea) level upon the earth now count at different rates no?

Andy

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Hold your horses guys, he's gone off to think about it again.

This is the third time I've answered the question.

Quote from: Triskellion on November 24, 2007, 11:16:08 AM

So now you are saying that clocks at the same altitude on the earth will run at different rates?

Where did you get that from? Is your name Eric?

No its not, is your name Tom?

Ok finally so on a flat earth this situation would not be possible, However, for some unknown reason this effect is observed in that clocks which are placed at a higher altitude do in fact show a slower rate of shall we say counting. Would you agree with this statement mr engineer (based on the evidence given to us by Mr einstien and the various given data and knowledge about this particular situation? Would you agree that this is the current RE thinking.
Secondly. you are going to suggest, are you not that this is all down to your conspiracy (i told you we would come back to this) so are you saying that your whole GR SR einstien and pretty much all of his forfathers and followers are in on this conspiracy, i.e are you saying that all we know about relativity is wrong or do you believe that it is all true. Would a faster moving clock actually run slower or is this theory a hoax?

So you didnt answer this here bit....could you do so please?

Fair point

he probably readin up on clocks and stuff..... ive just bought some new speakers

the other half is so gonna kill me but well it is nearly christmas and all and i reckon they are gonna be the nuts

Im beginning to worry about the cats now though

One of them is looking at me and salivating!

well yes you have lets start at the begining  where you state that you believe einstiens theary which state that a clock moving faster will run slower ( i wont try to quote it cos it will annoy you but its there above me). Also above me is the fact that you believe the flat earth to be revolving about its centre( as of a turntable if i remember, once again its all above me). Also above me somwhere is tha fact that you believe that a clock which has a greater velocity will run slower. Its all there in black and white.

From these facts i can only conclude that two clocks at sea level one at the equater and another well anywhere other than the equater (lets just use the north pole for instance) would now (with your rotating flat earth) be at differening velocities and, therefore, due to einstiens theories, be runnig at differing rates. In conclusion clocks at the same (sea) level upon the earth now count at different rates no?

So wheres my answers?

Quote from: Triskellion on November 24, 2007, 10:58:41 AM

Ok finally so on a flat earth this situation would not be possible, However, for some unknown reason this effect is observed in that clocks which are placed at a higher altitude do in fact show a slower rate of shall we say counting. Would you agree with this statement mr engineer (based on the evidence given to us by Mr einstien and the various given data and knowledge about this particular situation? Would you agree that this is the current RE thinking.
Secondly. you are going to suggest, are you not that this is all down to your conspiracy (i told you we would come back to this) so are you saying that your whole GR SR einstien and pretty much all of his forfathers and followers are in on this conspiracy, i.e are you saying that all we know about relativity is wrong or do you believe that it is all true. Would a faster moving clock actually run slower or is this theory a hoax?

An answer maybe please?

The bold bit could be the one you are struggling with (just a friendly hint)

So you didnt answer this here bit....could you do so please?

Quote from: Triskellion on November 24, 2007, 10:58:41 AM

Ok finally so on a flat earth this situation would not be possible, However, for some unknown reason this effect is observed in that clocks which are placed at a higher altitude do in fact show a slower rate of shall we say counting. Would you agree with this statement mr engineer (based on the evidence given to us by Mr einstien and the various given data and knowledge about this particular situation?

Based on Einstein, yes.

Ok we kinda got crossed there eh but im afraid you (the apparent master of relativity on this shite..sorry site) need to go and re-read your relativity theory as you really dont actually know what the hell you are talking about

Ok, care to show me?  Everything I have said is consistent with SR and GR.  I would appreciate the correction where you see fit, however.

For 6 pages now you have tried to argue with me about how a clock at altitude will run slower due to the effects of altitude on a round earth (due to einstiens theory of SR).

You have catagorically stated that due to SR this would on a RE be a fact.

Plain and simple fact is, it wont run slower at all for reasons i dont think you can comprehend yet

I think you probably grasp the whole relativity thing better than me,theoretically, but maybe at a level which doesnt let you see the bigger picture.

Im just guessing here but i imagine you read a book or whatever on the whole theory of it all (just before you start to poke fun at that comment you know full well what i mean)and as you were reading it/studying it you tried to let it make sense by fitting to your own minds view of the world. This is a mistake, the world around us doesnt truly fit any idea that you, i or anyone even the great Einstien or Hawkins, Dawkins themselves can really understand unfortunately. Take it from me this place is too big, too crazy for you, I, even Mr Einstien himself to understand fully at the moment but keep your mind open i think you are doing well here (better than me im sure).

What is the FE explanation for the fact that clocks at higher altitudes (i.e in a faster moving system) will go slower than a clock at sea level. if the UA is ressponsible for us sticking to this planet then surely this effect would not be seen?

Andy

Just as a side note are you still claiming that clocks will run at defferent rates when placed at different latitudes?