Proof of a Round Earth.

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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2007, 11:42:57 AM »
I love how when someone asks a legitimate question, immediately a FE-person jumps in and says something totally illogical. "Ice crystals!" "Air is not clear!" "Chuck Norris!" It;s like the witch scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail! "What floats in water?" "Churches! Lead! Very small rocks!"

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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2007, 01:08:06 PM »
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The simplest equation is one that can be completed without the use of assumptions, correct?

Occam's Razor works in favor of the Flat Earth Theory.

You used the EXACT same argument in another thread.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=18114.msg319535#msg319535

Even if Occam's Razor were anything more than a philosophical principal (which it is not), posting the same argument TWICE does not increases it's validity. However being that you somehow seem to think it does...

From response to previous (same) argument (addition to the RE side):

Occam's Razor simply states that all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one. Put another way one should not make more assumptions than the minimum required. I'm sorry but your application of this simple logical principal is flawed.

Which scenario is the simplest (least assumptions). Assuming Occam's razor can in any way be used as evidence for any hypothesis...

1) The earth is a sphere orbiting our sun , it spinning on its axis with a tilt of 23.5 degrees.
one "assumption" that when applied with mathematics explains the observed characteristics of the sun, the moon, stars, day/night cycle, lunar cycle (including lunar and solar eclipse). And how the planets when observed from earth appear to "loop" over their own paths in an otherwise impossible manner.

Edit: Even if you were just to assume that earth exists and behaves much in the same way as any other planet (spherical, orbit the sun, have moons, impact craters, atmospheres, weather patterns, day and night cycles, volcanic activity, geographic north and south poles...)

2) The earth is flat.
Must assume:
a) The sun moves in a circular orbit around an undefined center of gravitation.
b) That the radius of that orbit changes to cause seasons (and in doing so speeds up/slows down to maintain 24 hour days)
c) Either the planets really do follow a "looping" orbital path. Or somehow like with RE only appear to (RE explains how).
d) Must assume Universal acceleration of the earth upwards while still relying on gravitation to explain how at high altitude acceleration towards the earths surface is reduced. (also apparently earth has no mass to cause its own gravitation...)
e) some unknown secondary object casting a shadow on the moon and passing in front of the sun to explain eclipse phenomenon.
f) there are separate sets of stars over various regions of the earth surface to explain observable star patterns.

The largest assumption of them all would have to be that all photos from space ( and many from earth such as rotary star movements) are faked and that the entire concept of a spherical earth and ALL related science ( physics, astronomy, seismology, cosmology, etc.) are part of a global conspiracy spanning hundreds of years to make the earth "appear" to be a sphere.

So which view makes the least assumptions again?
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2007, 01:35:14 PM »
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Occam's Razor works in favor of the Flat Earth Theory.

What's the simpler explanation; that man has successfully designed and built multi-trillion dollar rocket technologies from scratch to send massive payloads into space, and that NASA can do the impossible on a daily basis, win the Space Race, and constantly wow the nation by landing a man on the moon and sending robotic rovers to mars; or that it's all just a Conspiracy?

What's the simpler explanation; that when I look out my window and see a Flat Earth that my eyes are deceiving me and that I am actually looking at the enormous sphere of the earth spinning through space at tens of thousands of miles an hour, whirling in perpetual epicycles around the universe; or that my eyes are not playing tricks on me and that the earth is exactly as it appears?

Reply to your RE offense:
1) I have built my own rockets, (not unlikely we can master propulsion).
2) What's impossible about it?
3) Man has built plenty from scratch.
4) More fuel means more cargo can go.
5) Many things are expensive.
6) Winning the Space Race is just doing it first. Oh I get it, we are NEVER first.
7) Why can't man land on the moon or send robotics to Mars?
8) Wowing a nation? Bill Clinton said something like, "I did not have sexual relations..."
8.5) Wording things harder doesn't make your point any more valid than not valid.

Reply to your FE defense:
1) Local linearity is a proven mathematical concept.
2) The Earth is as it appears: relatively flat from a close up view.
3) Zooming through space is part of FE theory as a replacement for gravity. UA...
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2007, 11:41:44 PM »
Well that certainly put him in his place, thank you folks :)

Now then, I would really like to get back to the original question:

Is there an FE explanation for the existence of the Midnight Sun in the Antarctic Circle? If there is not, then it is definite proof of a round earth. This is the proof that everyone has been requesting, and can be seen for yourself for around $10,000. If you cannot afford that, then you will have to accept written testimony as evidence, as photographs would be very much useless in this case.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2007, 11:43:02 PM »
I like the ice crystals theory.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2007, 11:49:26 PM »
Ice ROCKS :D

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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #66 on: November 22, 2007, 02:40:15 AM »
You may like it, but it isn't a viable theory. Photos of the sun from the North and the South are identical. If it were some sort of illusion, the sun in the south would be rippling and hazy. However there is no issue in the Antarctic Circle concerning the magnification of details on the surface of the sun, even at midnight.

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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2007, 05:39:16 PM »
You may like it, but it isn't a viable theory. Photos of the sun from the North and the South are identical. If it were some sort of illusion, the sun in the south would be rippling and hazy. However there is no issue in the Antarctic Circle concerning the magnification of details on the surface of the sun, even at midnight.

Those photos, obviously, were faked.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2007, 11:34:10 PM »
If it were some sort of illusion, the sun in the south would be rippling and hazy.

I see no reason to assume this.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2007, 03:19:23 AM »
If it were some sort of illusion, the sun in the south would be rippling and hazy.

I see no reason to assume this.

Well, what kind of illusion is being considered here? Ice crystals would not produce a solid mirage.

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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2007, 03:22:04 AM »
They are so dense that they produce a perfect reflection, like a mirror.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2007, 03:28:22 AM »
Wow, that is some consistent and solid ice crystals... Is there any evidence of such a solid collection of ice crystals forming such a clear reflection? Also, wouldn't the reflection be shrinking and growing most of the time?

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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2007, 08:29:26 AM »
if the ice crystals were THAT reflective, there would NEVER be night ANYWHERE on earth: it would be "twilight" all the time and nobody would EVER see the stars!

this reminds me of the classic story "nightfall" by Isaac Asimov: these people lived in a solar system with 3 suns. so it was never night, except for an eclipse that happened only once in a thousand years. so they didn't believe there were such things as stars.
but when the eclipse happened, they could see 30,000,000 stars with their naked eyes! it drove them all crazy!

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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2007, 03:48:00 PM »
Wow, that is some consistent and solid ice crystals... Is there any evidence of such a solid collection of ice crystals forming such a clear reflection?
Yes.  The existence of the Midnight Sun.
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Also, wouldn't the reflection be shrinking and growing most of the time?
Not necessarily.  I think it's because of the angle of reflection changing in accordance with the distance.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #74 on: November 23, 2007, 03:50:52 PM »
ice crystals could work for the antartic midnight sun but not the artic cos you don't get sun warmth from ice crystals
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #75 on: November 23, 2007, 03:52:05 PM »
The warmth must be coming from a different source.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #76 on: November 23, 2007, 03:53:07 PM »
what?
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #77 on: November 23, 2007, 03:54:56 PM »
I don't know!  >:(  I said to pick a fight with an REer!
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #78 on: November 23, 2007, 03:57:41 PM »
Sorry....
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #79 on: November 23, 2007, 04:01:24 PM »
It's okay.

Actually I have an answer.  Did you know that skiers are susceptible to sunburn, despite the cold environment, because of the sun reflecting off the snow?  It could be a similar principle here.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #80 on: November 23, 2007, 04:04:43 PM »
Doesn't work if the 'sun' is just a reflection on ice crystals though does it?
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #81 on: November 23, 2007, 04:06:57 PM »
I see no reason why not.  It's still the real sun that is being reflected off the ice crystals.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #82 on: November 23, 2007, 04:11:45 PM »
I think your answer sucks. And besides, if it's ice crystals then why doesn't it reflect in other places too?
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #83 on: November 23, 2007, 04:21:44 PM »
I think you suck.  >:(

Other places don't have the high concentrations of ice crystals in the air that the poles do.  Duh.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #84 on: November 23, 2007, 04:23:00 PM »
why would there be all them ice crystals in the air in the summer in the artic when its all warm and sunny though?  :P
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #85 on: November 23, 2007, 04:24:52 PM »
It's because of the ice crystals that it's "warm" and sunny.
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #86 on: November 23, 2007, 04:29:18 PM »
What makes you lie?
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #87 on: November 23, 2007, 04:30:06 PM »
What are you talking about?  :D
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #88 on: November 23, 2007, 04:37:20 PM »
You pretending to be an FE'er
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Re: Proof of a Round Earth.
« Reply #89 on: November 23, 2007, 05:15:20 PM »
What a terrible thing to say!   ;D
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