Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...

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Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2007, 08:05:15 AM »
That's true, the Bible has nothing to do with how Christians behave.  You only need to read it see that the Christian world would be be at war with everybody if that were the case.

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Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2007, 08:40:38 AM »
...or you read the whole of it and see they wouldn't be...
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« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2007, 03:34:52 AM »
We must have read different Bibles.

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« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2007, 08:31:20 AM »
yeah must have. Shall we exchange?
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Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2007, 03:10:39 PM »
I read the new testament because that is the only part that counts after jesus said so....

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« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2007, 03:13:21 PM »
For the record the "Terry Pratchett" angle is only the angle presented in his fiction if you read a book like The Science Of Discworld 2 you'll see that he completely dismisses religion and life after death as definitely a human construction and not real.


Yeah I know, I was going to put the book title but couldn't remember which one it was from. I love the 'science of' books

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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2007, 06:10:09 PM »
no ones good, no ones evil, it's human nature to have these dual traits. it's also human nature that nearly every man woman and child considers him/herself to be good. If you had asked Hitler if he was a good person, he'd have said yes. If you have asked Jesus he would have said something cryptic that would have been translated as "yes" a hundred years later-their both right. part of human nature is to want to be what you percieve as "good".

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Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2007, 06:07:39 AM »
Thus you add nothing to the argument. Good job dillweed. And apparently you haven't talked to a lot of goth people.

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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2007, 01:01:56 PM »
They're insane therefore human nature doesn't apply.

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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2007, 10:15:03 AM »
They aren't insane though. Weird, yes, but calling them insane is just a sad way of trying to prove yourself right.

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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2007, 01:43:29 PM »
insane=extremely wierd in a way possibly threatening to your own well being or that of others such as being suicidal or on drugs, especially halucinogens and depressents.

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Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2007, 05:58:55 AM »
No it doesn't. Good try but i'm going to have to call a fail.

If your definition of insane is simply the opposite of your deffinition for what all people are then you're argument is shit.

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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2007, 06:26:32 AM »
insane=extremely wierd in a way possibly threatening to your own well being or that of others such as being suicidal or on drugs, especially halucinogens and depressents.
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« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2007, 07:10:51 PM »
no ones good, no ones evil, it's human nature to have these dual traits. it's also human nature that nearly every man woman and child considers him/herself to be good. If you had asked Hitler if he was a good person, he'd have said yes. If you have asked Jesus he would have said something cryptic that would have been translated as "yes" a hundred years later-their both right. part of human nature is to want to be what you percieve as "good".
hence they act in the way they percieve to be "good". For most people good is human nature because the concept of good is based on the parts of human nature realevant to how you would like to be treated. goths simply percieve good to be the part of human nature that relates to how you would like to treat others and for lack of a better term or understanding of this, they call it evil.

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Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2007, 09:12:15 AM »
In a recent argument with my ex (me being an atheist and her being a Southern Baptist..fun) she explicitly said that acts do not get you into Heaven. She said the only way to get in was to accept Jesus blah blah... But anyway I started thinking, what about all those people in isolated parts of the world that may never meet a Christian or read a bible? Even if they lead an otherwise Christian life, they're doomed to an eternity in Hell...is that fair? Does God cut them some slack or what? I just would like to see some thoughts on this issue.
They have the creation around them. If they just look at the complexity and awesomeness of the creation around them that God has created, then they should see God.

Also, in response to all the people who say that Christians say that we can be saved just by believing, here is what I say: we are all fallen, we are all sinful. In order to get to heaven, God requires perfectness. Since we are sinful, we obviously cannot get to heaven. However, God in his good grace to us, has sent His Son to die on the cross for us, and take our sins. God has chosen certain people from before the earth was made to be saved, and others not to be. God is the one who saves us, we cannot do anything. We are NOT saved by our good works. It's like trying to cross the Grand Canyon by trying to make a bridge out of a pencil. So we cannot do anything, it's God who does it for us. We hope and pray that God will be merciful to us, since we cannot do anything on our own. But by Jesus' death, we can be saved.
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« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2007, 10:23:41 AM »
Jesus is already dead, doesn't that mean that we're already saved?
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Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2007, 10:54:26 AM »
Jesus rose from the dead on the third day and is in heaven.
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

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Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2007, 02:25:10 PM »
Your mom didn't arise on the third day. Cuz she couldn't walk. Booyah.  ::)

Re: Acts Don't Get You Into Heaven...
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2007, 12:07:32 AM »
The problem is that it isn't you who decides what is "fair" and what is "right". That's God's job. In fact, what he does is automatically "right" under Christian definitions.

The problem is that the Christian concept of heaven is such that you can only enter if you are completely pure and good. There are two ways of doing this.

The first is the most difficult, so much so that only one "man" has done it so far as Christians are concerned. This is to be absolutely perfect in all respects, and never to sin. This is what Jesus did. Then he died on the cross, which leads to the second way.

The second way to become cleansed of your sins and become pure is to accept Jesus into your heart as your Lord and Savior. Savior being the important part, because it means that you accept that he died on the cross to absolve you of your sins. Technically, Jesus did not absolve YOU of YOUR sins until you accept him into your heart as your Lord and Savior. However, once you have, he cleanses your immortal soul of all sinful tarnish.

So, it isn't a matter of what you do/think unless you are completely perfect, because committing even one sin is an immortal crime which damns your soul to hell forever unless you cleanse it in the love of Jesus.

Doesn't seem fair to US, but it doesn't have to. It was hardly fair to have the most perfect man the world has ever seen be nailed to a cross, stabbed in the ribs, and left to die. But, there you go.
going back to what was said here what if u somehow comitted no sins just like jesus but didnt belive in him?heaven or hell?
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