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zomgpwnd

one simple question for a non beliver
« on: November 13, 2007, 06:16:20 PM »
Why, even at the top of Mount Everest, can I not see every continent, country, etc.? If the world is flat then I should be able to see the other continents.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 06:26:45 PM »
air isn't clear
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zomgpwnd

Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 06:31:59 PM »
that is not the point, i figured that would come up, the earth will CURVE out of your vision before air will obstruct your view on a nice day
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM »
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 06:51:47 PM »


what about at 5:02?

edit: as well the very end

is another example
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 07:03:07 PM »
Space agencies? ???
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM »
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.

Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Ohhh right, the conspiracy.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2007, 07:37:43 PM »
Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.

Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Ohhh right, the conspiracy.

Seriously, that is a valid question. Are FEers so paranoid that they actually believe that EVERY photo/video that disproves a FE must have been created by a member of this "conspiracy?" If so, I feel sad for them.  :-\
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 09:31:37 PM »
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Seriously, that is a valid question. Are FEers so paranoid that they actually believe that EVERY photo/video that disproves a FE must have been created by a member of this "conspiracy?" If so, I feel sad for them.  :-\]

Most pictures of the earth are not doctored. Flat Earth Theory holds that there is elliptical curvature from the edge of space, one hundred miles in altitude. Any photograph showing a curved elliptical horizon from very high altitudes poses no affront to FE.

Example: http://www.natrium42.com/halo/flight2/

Curvature results from the fact that on a flat earth we are looking down at a flat circle. And a circle is always curved in two dimensions. The Antarctic coast and other distant continents of the earth are still tens of thousands of miles away horizontally from the observer at an altitude of 100 miles (edge of space), and thus beyond the resolution of the human eye and merged with the line of the horizon, indiscernible and faded with the thickness of the atmosphere. This is why the view is limited to the immediate vicinity below the observer, and why the land fades into a blueish fog as it recedes.

We can confirm that we are looking down at the circle of the earth by noting that shots from amateur high altitude balloons show an elliptical horizon. If the earth were a globe, curving downwards in three dimensions, all curvature seen in photographs would appear as an arc of a circle. However, curvature does not appear as an arc of a circle. The Earth is elliptical in Russian, Chinese, and amateur space photographs. A striking indication of a Flat Earth.

The only pictures which show the horizon as an arc of a circle are NASA's Apollo shots. The Apollo missions did not occur.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2007, 10:56:45 PM »
Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Quote from: FAQ on March 05, 2007, 01:19:19 PM
PLEASE NOTE This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT IN THEMSELVES CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 12:32:52 AM »
Quote from: Jikan on November 13, 2007, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.

Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Ohhh right, the conspiracy.

Seriously, that is a valid question. Are FEers so paranoid that they actually believe that EVERY photo/video that disproves a FE must have been created by a member of this "conspiracy?" If so, I feel sad for them.  :-\

So you hold that that photo is fake as well as others?  Otherwise I don't understand your objection.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2007, 02:50:42 PM »
Quote from: Username on November 14, 2007, 12:32:52 AM
Quote from: Jikan on November 13, 2007, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.

Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Ohhh right, the conspiracy.

Seriously, that is a valid question. Are FEers so paranoid that they actually believe that EVERY photo/video that disproves a FE must have been created by a member of this "conspiracy?" If so, I feel sad for them.  :-\

So you hold that that photo is fake as well as others?  Otherwise I don't understand your objection.

I don't hold that any photos/videos are fake; that is the opinion of FEers when REers show photo/video proof of a Round Earth. The panoramic video does not show what the earth looks like from space. I can take a video inside a cave to "prove" that there is not sky; that doesn't make it true.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2007, 04:30:57 PM »
Quote from: Jikan on November 14, 2007, 02:50:42 PM
Quote from: Username on November 14, 2007, 12:32:52 AM
Quote from: Jikan on November 13, 2007, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.

Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Ohhh right, the conspiracy.

Seriously, that is a valid question. Are FEers so paranoid that they actually believe that EVERY photo/video that disproves a FE must have been created by a member of this "conspiracy?" If so, I feel sad for them.  :-\

So you hold that that photo is fake as well as others?  Otherwise I don't understand your objection.

I don't hold that any photos/videos are fake; that is the opinion of FEers when REers show photo/video proof of a Round Earth. The panoramic video does not show what the earth looks like from space. I can take a video inside a cave to "prove" that there is not sky; that doesn't make it true.
It was used as an example since Mount Everest was explicitly cited as having the horizon fall out of view, not fade.  Since he holds the picture to be legit, I don't see why we are still talking about this. 
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2007, 04:34:06 PM »
Quote from: Username on November 14, 2007, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Jikan on November 14, 2007, 02:50:42 PM
Quote from: Username on November 14, 2007, 12:32:52 AM
Quote from: Jikan on November 13, 2007, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.

Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Ohhh right, the conspiracy.

Seriously, that is a valid question. Are FEers so paranoid that they actually believe that EVERY photo/video that disproves a FE must have been created by a member of this "conspiracy?" If so, I feel sad for them.  :-\

So you hold that that photo is fake as well as others?  Otherwise I don't understand your objection.

I don't hold that any photos/videos are fake; that is the opinion of FEers when REers show photo/video proof of a Round Earth. The panoramic video does not show what the earth looks like from space. I can take a video inside a cave to "prove" that there is not sky; that doesn't make it true.
It was used as an example since Mount Everest was explicitly cited as having the horizon fall out of view, not fade.  Since he holds the picture to be legit, I don't see why we are still talking about this. 


Ok, so as long as I post a photo/video that I claim is legit, then it MUST be true? Got it, thanks. :)
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2007, 04:40:52 PM »
Quote from: Jikan on November 14, 2007, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Username on November 14, 2007, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Jikan on November 14, 2007, 02:50:42 PM
Quote from: Username on November 14, 2007, 12:32:52 AM
Quote from: Jikan on November 13, 2007, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.

Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Ohhh right, the conspiracy.

Seriously, that is a valid question. Are FEers so paranoid that they actually believe that EVERY photo/video that disproves a FE must have been created by a member of this "conspiracy?" If so, I feel sad for them.  :-\

So you hold that that photo is fake as well as others?  Otherwise I don't understand your objection.

I don't hold that any photos/videos are fake; that is the opinion of FEers when REers show photo/video proof of a Round Earth. The panoramic video does not show what the earth looks like from space. I can take a video inside a cave to "prove" that there is not sky; that doesn't make it true.
It was used as an example since Mount Everest was explicitly cited as having the horizon fall out of view, not fade.  Since he holds the picture to be legit, I don't see why we are still talking about this. 


Ok, so as long as I post a photo/video that I claim is legit, then it MUST be true? Got it, thanks. :)
No, you didn't understand the logic at all.  If you posted a video that I hold to be legit, then it would be fair gain to use that against me in an argument.   

Why is this concept so hard for people to grasp?
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2007, 04:45:31 PM »
Ok, I posted a video for you to view. It has it's own topic.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2007, 06:20:15 PM »
We aren't saying that NO photos can constitute ANY evidence EVER. But pictures alone cannot PROVE anything. Then again, he wasn't using it as PROOF, he was using it to show what you should be seeing from the top of Mount Everest. If you want to claim that it's fake then I'm sure there'd be more backing it up, but nobody's claimed that the picture is fake, so there's no need, because it's accepted that the photograph is real.

Get it?


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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2007, 09:25:53 PM »
I get it.

Why is it, then, that unless a photo shows evidence that doesn't shatter FET, it gets dismissed as fake?

Also, why is it that none of the photos, that show earth from space, show all of the nations at the same time? If the earth is flat, why can't we see all of the nations of the world at once? And why can't we see this supposed ice wall in these pictures?

Oh, I forgot, they're all fake; right?

You know, for a site supposedly based on "exposing the truth," you sure aren't very open minded when presented with RE evidence.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2007, 07:13:11 AM »
because the evidence is all lies!!!! LIES!!!!

LIES!!!
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2007, 10:10:47 AM »
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.


you can't see curvature in that picture?
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2007, 11:18:08 AM »
Quote from: johnfrusciante on November 15, 2007, 10:10:47 AM
Quote from: Username on November 13, 2007, 06:36:22 PM
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

Looks like it fades out to me.  Or at worst, approaches the vanishing point.


you can't see curvature in that picture?

Looks awful flat to me.  :-\

Is it possible you only see curvature because you think you're supposed to see curvature?  ???
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2007, 02:24:52 PM »
I'm still waiting for an answer to this:

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Also, why is it that none of the photos, that show earth from space, show all of the nations at the same time? If the earth is flat, why can't we see all of the nations of the world at once? And why can't we see this supposed ice wall in these pictures?

If you state that ALL photos from space are fake, then you can't use photos from space to back up any FE claims; is that the reason for the lack of response?
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2007, 02:30:37 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 13, 2007, 10:56:45 PM
Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
Why are FE's allowed to use photos to back up their beliefs but RE's are not?

Quote from: FAQ on March 05, 2007, 01:19:19 PM
PLEASE NOTE This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT IN THEMSELVES CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2007, 09:49:49 PM »
Quote from: Jikan on November 14, 2007, 09:25:53 PM
I get it.

Why is it, then, that unless a photo shows evidence that doesn't shatter FET, it gets dismissed as fake?

Also, why is it that none of the photos, that show earth from space, show all of the nations at the same time? If the earth is flat, why can't we see all of the nations of the world at once? And why can't we see this supposed ice wall in these pictures?

Oh, I forgot, they're all fake; right?

You know, for a site supposedly based on "exposing the truth," you sure aren't very open minded when presented with RE evidence.
No, you apparently don't "get it" at all.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2007, 06:37:32 PM »
hi,

fully new to this site (which i admit i thought was actually a piss take at first) so if this has been answered in one of the many (many) posts which i have not read then i do apologise, but i do have a wee question about the whole seeing the entire world from the top of everest thing.

I understand the idea that air is not clear, after all, there is a bunch of crap in it plus flat or round, the earth is pretty big compared to me and my eyes aren't so great. But here is the thing, surely this is an opportunity to prove the whole flat earth thing, after all, if they can make a telescope which can see a storm on jupiter, surely something to see across the piddly little diameter of the earth. then you could show everyone and we will all go "gee.. looks like the kooks were right". think of it, text books all changed to show a flat earth!!! its just that seems doable to me....or is it that the people who like the flat earth idea would prefer to sit back and just argue against current evidence rather than actually look for their own?

looking forward to clarification on this
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2007, 07:50:04 PM »
Quote from: moutere_boy on November 19, 2007, 06:37:32 PM
hi,

fully new to this site (which i admit i thought was actually a piss take at first) so if this has been answered in one of the many (many) posts which i have not read then i do apologise, but i do have a wee question about the whole seeing the entire world from the top of everest thing.

I understand the idea that air is not clear, after all, there is a bunch of crap in it plus flat or round, the earth is pretty big compared to me and my eyes aren't so great. But here is the thing, surely this is an opportunity to prove the whole flat earth thing, after all, if they can make a telescope which can see a storm on jupiter, surely something to see across the piddly little diameter of the earth. then you could show everyone and we will all go "gee.. looks like the kooks were right". think of it, text books all changed to show a flat earth!!! its just that seems doable to me....or is it that the people who like the flat earth idea would prefer to sit back and just argue against current evidence rather than actually look for their own?

looking forward to clarification on this

How does looking though a hundred mile thick vertical atmosphere of decreasing density compare to looking through a horizontal atmosphere of tens of thousands of miles across the surface of the earth?
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2007, 08:26:54 PM »
How does looking though a hundred mile thick vertical atmosphere of decreasing density compare to looking through a horizontal atmosphere of tens of thousands of miles across the surface of the earth?
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i don't know.. thats probably why I asked. But lets say you don't go to everest, which is only used as a example because its so big, lets make it much easier, how about Mt Cook, or even a really high ladder or low flying plane in antarctica? is the atmosphere so hard to see through that even if you locate yourself close to the edge of the earth there is just no way to see? Is that actually what you are telling me? that there is no way to physically prove this and go to the edge of the earth?
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2007, 10:54:48 PM »
I like this photo :)

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/earth_science/images/atm_exo-big.jpg

Yes I know, if it isn't posted by an FEr, there's no way to use it as evidence. I just like it.
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2007, 04:13:55 AM »
I assume that's suppose to be the Sun at the top?
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Re: one simple question for a non beliver
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2007, 06:43:05 AM »
if the earth is flat why does orbit work?
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