Antarctica? Reasons WHY it exists (and why the earth is round)

Your numbers for how many people who would be in the conspiracy are way off.

For starters, I live in Tasmania, Australia. For the uneducated, it's the little island at the bottom of Australia. "Down Under" as Round Earthers call it, or "Over there" if you're a flat earther.

Anyway, Tasmania is one of the closest points to Antarctica in the world (apart from the southern tip of South America) which means that it is a perfect port for Antarctic exploration.
Many people every year travel to the antarctic via ship and plane, and in the very near future a giant ice runway will be operational, and jet aircraft will be able to travel from hobart international airport to antarctica. At the moment small twin engined aircraft operated by CASA (Civil Aviation Service Authority) fly to and from antarctica regularly. I have seen these planes with my own eyes.

So basically what this means is that as well as your priveledged '45' people who know that Antarctica does not exist (instead there is a giant ice wall), you must factor in the pilots and sailors who travel to Antarctica every year, not to mention paying off scientists who must pretend to live in Antarctica for months at a time.

But i know what you will say "The government pays off these people". Well, according to you, the Australian Government knows nothing about the conspiracy. So this means that American taxpayer dollars are not only going to Americans, but also Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans and multitudes of other people who visit Hobart (capital of Tasmania) every year to go and see Antarctica.

In Hobart there used to be a building called 'Antarctic Adventure'. It was like an antarctic museum and at least 5 scientists there had been to antarctica. This means they had all been payed off by the American government as Antarctica does not exist. America is really wasting a lot of money by simply keeping such a trivial fact secret. I know that NASA is getting rich off this, but i truly believe that somebody in the world would care more about science than money. Just think of the people who live in Antarctica. They are doing this simply for love of science and a challenge. Of all the thousands of people who have visited antarctica i believe that SOMEBODY would have spilled the beans and told others that it doesnt exist, but rather there is a large ice wall which keeps all the water from sliding out of the oceans.

Finally, from wikipedia "the Emperor Penguin (Aptenodytes forsteri) is the tallest and heaviest of all living penguin species. It is endemic to Antarctica, and is the only penguin species that breeds during the Antarctic winter."

I looked up Wikipedia because it was convenient. I'm sure similar facts would be in black and white in more 'reputable' encyclopedias. If antarctica does not exist, then where do these animals live? Of all the countless documentaries made about Emperor Penguins, none mention the fact that these live on a giant ice wall. Yes, i know, i know, the government must pay off all the documentary makers.

Even if i havent proved that Antarctica exists and therefore the earth is round, surely i will have made you re-think your ridiculous conspiracy theory numbers.

Your numbers for how many people who would be in the conspiracy are way off.

For starters, I live in Tasmania, Australia. For the uneducated, it's the little island at the bottom of Australia. "Down Under" as Round Earthers call it, or "Over there" if you're a flat earther.

Anyway, Tasmania is one of the closest points to Antarctica in the world (apart from the southern tip of South America) which means that it is a perfect port for Antarctic exploration.
Many people every year travel to the antarctic via ship and plane, and in the very near future a giant ice runway will be operational, and jet aircraft will be able to travel from hobart international airport to antarctica. At the moment small twin engined aircraft operated by CASA (Civil Aviation Service Authority) fly to and from antarctica regularly. I have seen these planes with my own eyes.

So basically what this means is that as well as your priveledged '45' people who know that Antarctica does not exist (instead there is a giant ice wall), you must factor in the pilots and sailors who travel to Antarctica every year, not to mention paying off scientists who must pretend to live in Antarctica for months at a time.

Antarctica exists.  The icewall is further inland.

But i know what you will say "The government pays off these people". Well, according to you, the Australian Government knows nothing about the conspiracy. So this means that American taxpayer dollars are not only going to Americans, but also Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans and multitudes of other people who visit Hobart (capital of Tasmania) every year to go and see Antarctica.

In Hobart there used to be a building called 'Antarctic Adventure'. It was like an antarctic museum and at least 5 scientists there had been to antarctica. This means they had all been payed off by the American government as Antarctica does not exist. America is really wasting a lot of money by simply keeping such a trivial fact secret. I know that NASA is getting rich off this, but i truly believe that somebody in the world would care more about science than money. Just think of the people who live in Antarctica. They are doing this simply for love of science and a challenge. Of all the thousands of people who have visited antarctica i believe that SOMEBODY would have spilled the beans and told others that it doesnt exist, but rather there is a large ice wall which keeps all the water from sliding out of the oceans.

Finally, from wikipedia "the Emperor Penguin (Aptenodytes forsteri) is the tallest and heaviest of all living penguin species. It is endemic to Antarctica, and is the only penguin species that breeds during the Antarctic winter."

I looked up Wikipedia because it was convenient. I'm sure similar facts would be in black and white in more 'reputable' encyclopedias. If antarctica does not exist, then where do these animals live? Of all the countless documentaries made about Emperor Penguins, none mention the fact that these live on a giant ice wall. Yes, i know, i know, the government must pay off all the documentary makers.

Even if i havent proved that Antarctica exists and therefore the earth is round, surely i will have made you re-think your ridiculous conspiracy theory numbers.

Again, we hold Antarctica exists too.   

I'm sorry, i must have been mistaken when i read the following quote from the all powerful FAQ:

"Antarctica as a continent does not exist - rather it is a ring of ice around the entire circumference of the Earth.."

You can either have the ice wall or Antractica, there is not room for both.

And do you have an answer for the numbers of people who know about the conspiracy?

I'm sorry, i must have been mistaken when i read the following quote from the all powerful FAQ:

"Antarctica as a continent does not exist - rather it is a ring of ice around the entire circumference of the Earth.."

You can either have the ice wall or Antractica, there is not room for both.

And do you have an answer for the numbers of people who know about the conspiracy?

No, actually you can have both.  Care to explain why there is "not room" for both? 

The government only has to pay a very few people.  There is a thread on this elsewhere where it was discussed for something like 20 pages.  You may find it educational.

That is not a satisfactory answer. I have read the conspiracy pages, and it does not say anything about this.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=3500

This map shows nothing of what the continent of Antarctica looks like, in fact, i cant even see anything that looks like Antarctica. The other map on your website is unclear.

However, i can produce quite a few maps of how, according to our Round Earth theory, Antarctica would look. I apologise if they are all doctored, but it seems that its a lot easier for us to doctor a place for Antarctica than it is for you guys to explain where the hell it is.

paradiselost, here is the Ice Wall Theory explaining how the ice wall forms. By the way, the Ice Wall IS Antarctica; it just happens to be a wall.

I'm gonna add more details later on (will make a thread once I got all the detailed explanations down). This is just a brief introduction.

Oxygen is generated by photosynthesis and life is established after the surface of the flat Earth warms down to a reasonable, life-supporting temperature.

Ice Wall Theory

The Formation of the Ice Wall and Beginning of the Flat Earth

Unlike the RE, in which it first existed as a molten planet, the FE actually existed as an icy disc of matter. The icy layer contains huge amounts of dissolved CO₂. In the beginning, the Sun starts at the center of the Earth, and thus heat is most concentrated at this location. There the ice melts over time, creating a large pool. As time passes, this pool spreads as nearby ice continues to melt. The melting process starts from the center of the Earth all the way to its edge. During this process, some of the ice directly converts into water vapor through sublimation: it occurs when temperature and pressure falls below the triple point (water). The water vapors rise into the atmosphere, which later condense into clouds. Droplets of rain from these clouds generates warm water from the atmosphere, speeding up the melting process. The ice stops melting at the edge because it is farther away from heat source. Hence, the ice wall is created. The ice ages also contributed to the buildup of the ice wall. Lithospheric activity forms and maintains its mountain ranges. The hydrologic cycle dominates this system. [Note: The surface of the ice wall is NOT flat! It just happens to cover the mountains underneath it. This is like how some mountains on the RE are covered in ice.]

The process of melting:

THESE ARE ILLUSTRATIONS ONLY
1 The icy flat Earth


2 The ice melts as heat is highly concentrated at the center


3 The ice continues to melt until it meets the edge


In the end, the ice stops melting because the edge is farther away from heat source, leaving an "ice wall" (rocky layers are underneath the ice). Thus, the melting process ceases. Lithospheric activity controls its mountain ranges.

Here is the side-view of the process (with the hydrologic cycle):

1. The icy flat Earth.


2. The ice at the center melts into liquid water. The water spreads.


3. Ice continues to melt and water continues to spread. At the same time, sublimation occurs.


4. Ice continues to melt and water continues to spread further. Sublimation continues.


5. Ice melts and water spreads. Evaporation makes progress.


6. The melting process stops near the edge. Condensation and precipitation occurs, generating clouds and rains.


And the cycle continues...

The Beginning of the Earth
The rocky continents underneath the thick layer of ice is revealed as the ice continues to melt. Then, once the surface reaches a suitable temperature for life, bacteria begin to appear. The first anaerobic bacteria do not require oxygen to survive. Due to the evolution process, photosynthetic bacteria (cyanobacteria) and plants also appear. Their photosynthesis generates oxygen from light (the Sun), water (the hydrologic cycle), and CO₂ (from the melted ice).

You have satisfactorily explained your theory. Thank you.
I have a question though:
What about all the pilots and sailors who fly or sail to the Antarctic?
I have never read anywhere anyone saying it is a giant wall.

The wall is farther inland, you wouldn't see it from the coast.

ok, so could somebody then please produce a map for me which includes Antarctica AND the Ice Wall? A clear map, preferably a birds eye view.

And still nobody has answered why there has to be more than 45 people involved in the 'conspiracy'

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1264.0

This is not a universally accepted map among FE, but it's as good as any.

ok, so could somebody then please produce a map for me which includes Antarctica AND the Ice Wall? A clear map, preferably a birds eye view.

And still nobody has answered why there has to be more than 45 people involved in the 'conspiracy'

On the FE there's only the Ice Wall and it could be considered "Antarctica". Antarctica does not exist as an continent.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1264.0

This is not a universally accepted map among FE, but it's as good as any.

I'm sorry, i am not convinced by that map. I can see Saudi Arabia and a bit of Africa and that is about it.
Please post a clearer map.

Quote from: paradiselost on November 13, 2007, 06:49:36 PM

ok, so could somebody then please produce a map for me which includes Antarctica AND the Ice Wall? A clear map, preferably a birds eye view.

And still nobody has answered why there has to be more than 45 people involved in the 'conspiracy'

On the FE there's only the Ice Wall and it could be considered "Antarctica". Antarctica does not exist as an continent.

Apparently some FE's think that Antarctica exists as a seperate continent and some believe it is just 'the ice wall'. No wonder i am confused, you guys don't even know yourselves.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1264.0

This is not a universally accepted map among FE, but it's as good as any.

That's just the Ice Wall. I don't see the continent. Antarctica does not exist as an continent.

Antartica = Ice Wall.

So what about all the pilots and sailors??? Roald Amundsen? Was he payed off by some government?

They paid him well.

That is a ridiculous answer. Does anybody else have something a bit more substantial?

What evidence do you have they weren't paid off? Before you say "But you are ridiculous and have no proof" niether do you. You don't know they weren't all paid off.

So what about all the pilots and sailors??? Roald Amundsen? Was he payed off by some government?

Roald Amudsen reached the South Pole and then came back. There's nothing impossible about that in the Flat Earth model. The South Pole exists as a ring of land fifteen hundred miles inland of Antarcitca where the magnetic field lines are vertical. It's perfectly possible to reach the South Pole.

Hi Paradise.  Welcome to the forums.   

I will outline this a little for you:

• There are many different theories concerning the Ice Wall, as the almighty "Conspiracy" prevents anyone from knowing "the truth" for sure.
• While some people hold that Antarctic trips are "part of the Conspiracy," most admit that there would be too many to pay off, and have adjusted their theory as follows.
• Some people suggest that it may go on forever.
• Even if it doesn't, they believe the "continent" known as Antarctica to be much larger than in most pictures.  (Please see above link for a picture.)
• Some (Mostly just TomB ) hold that we have discovered parts of the "ice wall" already
• Regardless of who you are speaking to, most current FE'ers believe that the ice wall rests on mountain ranges to the south.

On a side note:

• Most people hold that it would take roughly between 500 and 2,600 men to guard the ice wall.
• However, TomB (and anyone who believes what he does) believes the plane of ice we call Antarctica stretches on  endlessly and has no need for guards.  Or at least, he does on certain occasions.
• Of course, TomB also states that the ice wall has been discovered and documented by one man, although he goes on to list many ice shelves.

At any rate, you will find that the FE'ers have an "answer" for everything, even if they have to pull it out of their collective ass, bend the laws of nature, invalidate certain tenants of accepted physics or declare every picture ever taken "part of the conspiracy."  You will find it amusing, annoying, and at times downright dumbfounding, to read their arguments.  But it's interesting, if nothing else. 

Welcome to the FES Forums, and enjoy your stay!   

Thank You. It is VERY annoying.

As in response to whether or not i know that these scientists have been paid off, i don't, but i will just say that at the very least i have proved the numbers of people who must know of some sort of conspiracy is greater than 45.

questions, did you say you were an English major?

At any rate, you will find that the FE'ers have an "answer" for everything, even if they have to pull it out of their collective ass, bend the laws of nature, invalidate certain tenants of accepted physics or declare every picture ever taken "part of the conspiracy."

The word you were looking for was "tenets", sweetie. 

Thanks, Roundy.  I got 2.5 hours of sleep last night.  I'm utterly exhausted.   

BTW, yes, I was an English major.  I never said I was infallible, just that I'm not "science-y" enough to participate in some discussions.

Thanks, Roundy.

You're welcome. 

The aspect of Antarctica and the Ice Wall is rather simple.

Instead of being a circularly-shaped continent, Antarctica is instead, a ring around the Earth. When people travel to Antarctica, they arrive at a portion of this ring. If they traverse said portion, they can obviously continue on for quite some time.

The Ice Wall is a separate entity, and simply isn't visible from where they fly or travel for their expeditions.

The ice melting from the centre is impossible, I think.
Since warm things fill more than cold things, so it's quite impossible for the wall to be so tall, and yet the melted water flows around down below.

When the water melted, it would flow over, and the more of it melted the more would flow over, so today; we would have ice in a ring around, and inside this ring there would be water, water and more water.
It would flow over like so:


We should all live underwater, according to that.

Um, did you read Jack's idea? It's quite possible.

Um, did you read Jack's idea? It's quite possible.

I think there's way to much for it all to be vaporized... We should have waaaaay more clouds than we have now...

It wouldn't ALL be vaporized.

It wouldn't ALL be vaporized.

Ofcourse not, but enough of it for the water to be lower than the ice wall.