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weather?
« on: November 06, 2007, 02:59:11 PM »
im still undecided about this flat earth theory, one of my problems is that the weather on earth is largely directed by the wind patterns that come from a rotating planet, how could flat earth theory explain the varying temperature and weather on earth. and teh effect of the sun on it, solar flares etc... and what effect the icewall would have on the weather

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Re: weather?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2007, 03:22:54 PM »
Come to the LIGHT SIDE (RE)! We have cake.  ;D
I believe you're speaking of the Coriolis Effect and coronal mass ejections. Cold fronts from Antartica seem rather hard to use as proof though due to the lack of knowledge concerning the size of the ice wall. ???

What I've always thought was funny (though I never debated it) was the curvature of the clouds in the distance. Here's a good quote from one of your own moderators.
The curvature really isn't that obvious. What can be obvious at the ocean, on a moderately cloudy day, is you can clearly see the clouds curve over the breadth of the sky.
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Re: weather?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2007, 03:28:22 PM »
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The curvature really isn't that obvious. What can be obvious at the ocean, on a moderately cloudy day, is you can clearly see the clouds curve over the breadth of the sky.

No, that is not seen. Stop making things up.

Re: weather?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2007, 03:35:57 PM »
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The curvature really isn't that obvious. What can be obvious at the ocean, on a moderately cloudy day, is you can clearly see the clouds curve over the breadth of the sky.

No, that is not seen. Stop making things up.

Are you going to answer his question??

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Re: weather?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2007, 03:39:41 PM »
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The curvature really isn't that obvious. What can be obvious at the ocean, on a moderately cloudy day, is you can clearly see the clouds curve over the breadth of the sky.

No, that is not seen. Stop making things up.

Wtf?  :P
What makes you think I made it up?
The truth is it is clearly visible... as your moderator has already stated (a good confirmation). It's amazing how close-minded you are. If you have not personally witnessed this phenomenon, then you immediately label it as false instead of looking yourself. GAWD.
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Re: weather?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2007, 04:48:56 PM »
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=17816.0

Please read this thread if you don't know whether to believe in an FE or a RE.  You have the FAQ on their side, so it's time to read up on the glaring holes in their theory as well.   :-* :-* :-*

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Re: weather?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 07:24:03 PM »
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The curvature really isn't that obvious. What can be obvious at the ocean, on a moderately cloudy day, is you can clearly see the clouds curve over the breadth of the sky.

No, that is not seen. Stop making things up.

Stop talking out of your ass, Tom. It's rather brash of you to insist that one is 'making something up' when they merely relate an easily reproducible experience witnessed by uncountable numbers of people. I see this phenomenon all the time at the beach.

However, it is easily explicable under the FE model, if you will permit me talk out of MY ass for a space. FET as commonly understood holds that the sky is a curved dome of air; this is likely because the Ice Wall ringing the disc of the Earth is somewhat lower than the height of the atmosphere at the North Pole (the Earth's center). If we imagine a hypothetical Earth in a time before it was being acted on by a Universal Accelerator, the atmosphere might have been a cylinder rather than a dome extending upwards from the surface (though of course this would soon have drifted off into space). Once under the force of the Accelerator, any air near the Ice Wall but extending 'above' it would slough off, while the rest of the atmosphere would be held to the Earth by its inertial reaction, leaving a dome shape. The clouds merely conform to this shape.
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Re: weather?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2007, 08:55:39 AM »
the coriolis affect DOES exist, anyone can see it in action using a container of water with a hole in the bottom. anyone, anywhere.

and it really does make the water spin in the opposite direction south of the equator. again, ANYONE can try it and see.

yet Tom Bishop says it does not. he denies the existence of an actual phenomenon MILLIONS of people are looking at RIGHT THIS SECOND!

hurricanes south of the equator spin the opposite direction too. does Tom also claim otherwise about that?

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Re: weather?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2007, 09:20:37 AM »
the coriolis affect DOES exist, anyone can see it in action using a container of water with a hole in the bottom. anyone, anywhere.

lol.  Get off my internet.  :D
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Re: weather?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2007, 12:20:29 PM »
the coriolis affect DOES exist, anyone can see it in action using a container of water with a hole in the bottom. anyone, anywhere.

and it really does make the water spin in the opposite direction south of the equator. again, ANYONE can try it and see.

yet Tom Bishop says it does not. he denies the existence of an actual phenomenon MILLIONS of people are looking at RIGHT THIS SECOND!

hurricanes south of the equator spin the opposite direction too. does Tom also claim otherwise about that?

The coriolis effect DOES exist, but it doesn't effect water spinning clockwise or counter. :-[

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affect = verb
effect = noun
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eric bloedow

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2007, 05:56:50 PM »
whoops' i missed that, i was too concerned with spelling coriolus...coriolos...coriolis right.
here's a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

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Re: weather?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2007, 06:01:46 PM »
and it really does make the water spin in the opposite direction south of the equator. again, ANYONE can try it and see.

No, it doesn't.

From your link:

"A misconception in popular culture is that the Coriolis effect determines the direction in which bathtubs or toilets drain, such that water always drains in one direction in the Northern Hemisphere, and in the other direction in the Southern Hemisphere. This urban legend has been perpetuated by several television programs, including an episode of The Simpsons and The X-Files."


And:

"The Coriolis effect is not a result of the curvature of the Earth, only of its rotation."
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Re: weather?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2007, 05:40:31 AM »
and it really does make the water spin in the opposite direction south of the equator. again, ANYONE can try it and see.

No, it doesn't.

From your link:

"A misconception in popular culture is that the Coriolis effect determines the direction in which bathtubs or toilets drain, such that water always drains in one direction in the Northern Hemisphere, and in the other direction in the Southern Hemisphere. This urban legend has been perpetuated by several television programs, including an episode of The Simpsons and The X-Files."


And:

"The Coriolis effect is not a result of the curvature of the Earth, only of its rotation."

Amazing.  ;) You failed to mention that right after that, it says:
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(However, the value of the Coriolis parameter, f , does vary with latitude, and that dependence is due to the Earth's shape.)
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Re: weather?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2007, 05:43:11 AM »
Since we are debating that very idea, what good is it to include it? The aspect of variance by altitude is disputed by Dogplatter.

Even if you included it, the Earth's shape is not the only reason for a gravitational variance.
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Re: weather?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2007, 05:44:38 AM »
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The curvature really isn't that obvious. What can be obvious at the ocean, on a moderately cloudy day, is you can clearly see the clouds curve over the breadth of the sky.

No, that is not seen. Stop making things up.

What? Your allowed to and we aren't? (Although we don't, you see we use stuff called evidence and this thing called the truth.)
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Re: weather?
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2007, 06:23:18 AM »
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The curvature really isn't that obvious. What can be obvious at the ocean, on a moderately cloudy day, is you can clearly see the clouds curve over the breadth of the sky.

No, that is not seen. Stop making things up.

LOL typical Tom Bishop hypocrisy
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Re: weather?
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2007, 06:49:57 AM »
What? Your allowed to and we aren't? (Although we don't, you see we use stuff called evidence and this thing called the truth.)
Your fellow RE'ers make up stuff all the time to fit observations.


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Re: weather?
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2007, 07:05:54 AM »
site 5 examples of this please
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Re: weather?
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2007, 07:14:23 AM »
What? Your allowed to and we aren't? (Although we don't, you see we use stuff called evidence and this thing called the truth.)
Your fellow RE'ers make up stuff all the time to fit observations.

It's called a hypothesis. If it fails, we throw it out, and make up a new one. Until it's correct.
But you already knew that...
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Re: weather?
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2007, 07:27:20 AM »
site 5 examples of this please
Gravity.
Dark Energy.
Dark Matter.
Centrifugal force.
Coriolis force.
Gravitational constant and just about every other constant of proportionality.

Oops, that's way more than five...


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Re: weather?
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2007, 07:32:00 AM »
you dont think that centrifugal forces and the coriolis effect exist at all?
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Re: weather?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2007, 07:33:47 AM »
you dont think that centrifugal forces and the coriolis effect exist at all?
Gravity, centrifugal, and Coriolis are all pseudo forces.  Centrifugal is the only one that is sometimes a real force.


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Re: weather?
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2007, 07:34:44 AM »
ok, so you can take that one off the list..  ::) and psudo forces or not, you are admitting they exist. so take those off the list too
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Re: weather?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2007, 07:36:33 AM »
site 5 examples of this please
Gravity.
Dark Energy.
Dark Matter.
Centrifugal force.
Coriolis force.
Gravitational constant and just about every other constant of proportionality.

Oops, that's way more than five...

Actually, nobody made those up. They were just there, and we discovered them.
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Re: weather?
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2007, 07:36:59 AM »
They don't exist.  They are pseudo forces.  The centrifugal force is only one under one special circumstance.


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Re: weather?
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2007, 07:37:38 AM »
so that leaves.. 2 on your list? way to go..
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Re: weather?
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2007, 07:38:01 AM »
Actually, nobody made those up. They were just there, and we discovered them.
They were made up so that our equations would work.


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Re: weather?
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2007, 07:40:18 AM »
no, the reverse is true of most of them. Gravitational constant possibly being an exeption.

Planck's constant appears unexplainably all over physics, in places where it's never even predicted.
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Re: weather?
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2007, 07:52:06 AM »
so that leaves.. 2 on your list? way to go..
Really?  I still see 6 named.


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Re: weather?
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2007, 09:40:14 AM »
some FErs think the earth stands still and the sun, moon and stars ALL revolve around it once a day. they thought the stars were holes in a giant sphere that turned.

most people used to believe this, but the biggest problem was the "wandering stars" which moved relative to the other stars.

Copernicus was the first person to come up with an answer that did not require every "wandering star" to have a seperate sphere that kept somehow reversing it's spin.