observations and explanations

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Roundy the Truthinessist

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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2007, 02:38:39 PM »
Which processes are you talking about?  And what does force evolution have to do with the shape of the earth?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2007, 08:05:33 PM »
[So there is no direct link between the Big Bang and the shape of the earth?  That's what I've been saying all along!

I guess what Im saying is there is a direct link, but the link is due to the fact that the processes involved are the same ,or at least inter dependent.The BB is the current model for matter and force evolution.
The shape of our planet is caused simply by a sphere being the shape that matter with a constant force will form in 3 dimensions of space.

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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2007, 01:31:13 PM »
that's one of my points: earth should be round just like all other large celestial bodies!

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Roundy the Truthinessist

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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2007, 01:32:12 PM »
But earth is by far the largest celestial body of all.  Why would we expect it to conform to the same laws?  We've never really studied anything even approaching it.
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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2007, 01:40:14 PM »
But earth is by far the largest celestial body of all.  ...

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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2007, 05:31:59 AM »
the sun and moon are only 32 miles in diameter! Jupiter pales into insignificance compared to the size of them. I'd conjecture it's only around 80cm across.
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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2007, 05:44:01 AM »
Excellent work, now FE knows the size of Jupiter in it's hypothesis, damn you!
Jupiter is 80cm across, it is made of red and brown paint and smells of elephant feet.
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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2007, 05:44:52 AM »
no, it's made of pipe cleaners.

Obviously...
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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2007, 05:46:48 AM »
Paint! I am a Jupaintologist!
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Loard Z

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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2007, 05:47:54 AM »
No! I stand by the Jupipeter hypothesis!
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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2007, 08:13:58 AM »
But, but.. Cybertron is 3 times the size of Earth (The non-infinite one) ... does not compute ... *bzzztzztztzt*
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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2007, 09:45:19 AM »
add different sun light hours to this thread
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eric bloedow

Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2007, 02:24:02 PM »
let's keep this going!

Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2007, 02:31:30 PM »
Hey Eric, add to your list the fact that aircraft can hide from RADAR waves behind the curvature of the Earth. FE tries to explain this with 'atmospheric distortion' and 'clutter', both of which i debunked in the Radar Waves thread.
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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2007, 04:15:05 PM »
Hey Eric, add to your list the fact that aircraft can hide from RADAR waves behind the curvature of the Earth. FE tries to explain this with 'atmospheric distortion' and 'clutter', both of which i debunked in the Radar Waves thread.
sure.  ::)

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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2007, 11:20:38 PM »
one of the biggest problems with the big bang theory is the way all matter is so unevenly distributed: stars are climped into galaxies, galaxies are in clusters, clusters are in superclusters, and 99% of the universe is totally empty space between superclusters!

there are several "fill-in-the-gap" theories for this: dark matter, cosmic strings, etc. but one version i heard would require there to be 10 TIMES as much "dark matter" as "normal" matter!

here's the theory for planet formation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_formation
but several planets in our solar system spin the opposite direction than that theory says they should!

straw man.  and a muddled understanding of big bang theory, cosmic background radiation, dark matter, dark energy, and string theory.

the clumping of matter in space has never been a problem.  before dark matter and dark energy became fasionable theories (which have little to do with the clumping anyway), all that was required was an *uneven distribution* of matter and energy.  the cosmos didn't have to spring into existence already pre-clumped.  slight density fluctuations are enough, and gravity takes care of the rest.  the cobe satellite has tentatively verified the requisite lumpyness of the cosmic background radiation.  (i think that's the right name for the satellite [which if memory serves is orbiting the sun not the earth]...could be confusing it with the solar observation satellite...)

and like i said, dark matter and energy are not required for this lumpiness of matter on cosmic scales.  dark matter was first invoked as a possible explanation for why the redshift indicating galactic rotation and velocities do not follow the newtonian model with distance.  (contrary to popular misconception, galaxies have not been found to rotate as a "solid mass" - in fact i suspect that would require the edges of large spiral galaxies to orbit faster than light, but i haven't actually done the math.  instead, it means that the slowdown of orbital velocity by distance from the center follows a different, less dramatic curve than expected by simple newtonian mechanics.  i believe max fagan outlined the expected and observed formulas, you should be able to find them with a search.)

dark energy was invoked as a possible explanation for what observational evidence seems to indicate as an accelerating expansion of the observable universe.  no one really has a clue what is causing it - "dark energy" is more a placeholder for some repulsive force than anything, and aren't 100% sure that the phenomenon is actually occurring...as more evidence comes in, the certainty factor will obviously increase or decrease.

string theory is an attempt to unify einstein's model of reality, with quantum mechanics, which currently don't mesh real well.  it involves 11 dimensional strings, vibrating on scales so small we can't access those dimensions.  (i don't remember the exact latest count of dimensions...)  so far it is little more than beautiful math and has yielded no testable predictions, and doesn't seem likely to in the near future.  many scientists dismiss it as non-science siphoning off valuable university research money.  (i tend to feel that way to but of course am in no way qualified to defend that position against, say, a string theorist.)

hope this helps.

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eric bloedow

Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #76 on: December 12, 2007, 08:12:44 AM »
the way i heard it, some old stars went supernova, the debris collected into new stars, which eventually went supernova as well, and our solar system formed from THAT debris!

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Re: observations and explanations
« Reply #77 on: December 12, 2007, 08:19:57 AM »
I can't believe you're still doing this after nearly 600 posts.

Lame...
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