See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!

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Tom Bishop

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #120 on: November 17, 2007, 05:04:12 PM »
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Only the edge of a flat circle is curved, so to be able to see this curve equally in all directions from altitude one would also need to be able to see the entire surface of the earth. So where exactly is the "ice barrier" in the photos? Also if this were true one would be able to see one side of the "edge" before the other (anywhere but in the north pole).

In the image the land fades out into a blueish fog due to the atmosphere. The atmosphere is not perfectly transparent. Therefore the distant continents of the earth will not be seen.

The Antarctic coast and other distant continents of the earth are still tens of thousands of miles away horizontally from the observer at an altitude of 100 miles (edge of space), and thus beyond the resolution of the human eye and merged with the line of the horizon, indiscernible and faded with the thickness of the atmosphere. This is why the view is limited to the immediate vicinity below the observer, and why the land fades into a blueish fog as it recedes.

Ergo, your image still proves nothing.

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go and take a picture of the ice wall and SHOW it to EVERYONE, or i will continue to dismiss you as a CRACKPOT!

Already done. Here is the 150 foot tall shelf of ice at the coast of Antarctica:

http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg
« Last Edit: November 17, 2007, 05:06:45 PM by Tom Bishop »

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« Reply #121 on: November 17, 2007, 05:16:53 PM »
very funny, Tom! you've produced a picture of one of the "ice shelves" on the COAST of antarctica, NOT the "ice wall"!

and just how did you get past the soldiers you claim are guarding the wall and stopping everyone?
i seem to remember you saying that antarctica DOES NOT EXIST!

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« Reply #122 on: November 17, 2007, 05:18:27 PM »
very funny, Tom! you've produced a picture of one of the "ice shelves" on the COAST of antarctica, NOT the "ice wall"!

and just how did you get past the soldiers you claim are guarding the wall and stopping everyone?
i seem to remember you saying that antarctica DOES NOT EXIST!

Poor Eric.  :(
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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2007, 05:20:16 PM »
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very funny, Tom! you've produced a picture of one of the "ice shelves" on the COAST of antarctica, NOT the "ice wall"!

The series of Ice Shelves along the coast of Antarctica is the 150 foot Ice Wall. It is widely known and widely studied. The Ice Wall is a massive wall of ice that surrounds Antarctica. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface.

The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked

    "It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass.

    It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward."

Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.

The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.

The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.

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and just how did you get past the soldiers you claim are guarding the wall and stopping everyone?
i seem to remember you saying that antarctica DOES NOT EXIST!

There is no military presence on Antarctica.

Antarctica exists. It just does not exist as a continent.

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eric bloedow

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« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2007, 06:07:17 PM »
ok, who WAS it what claimed there were soldiers, from EVERY government, keeping people away from the ice wall? you just contradicted the FE "conspiracy" claim!

and what about the HUNDREDS of people who have FLOWN over the ross ice shelf? INCLUDING the person who TOOK that picture?!

and check this link, if you dare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_pole

why don't you tell the people who have BEEN to the south pole that it doesn't exist?!

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2007, 06:13:07 PM »
The South Pole exists. In FE the South Pole is a ring of land beyond the Ice Wall where the magnetic field lines are vertical.

The reason why some people may have gotten turned around during journeys across Antarctica is that on a Round Earth the only way to continue going South after reaching the South Pole is to go North. Therefore if the explorer believes he is on a Round Earth, upon reaching the South Pole he will begin to head North. This puts him on a hairpin parabola which brings him back to the Antarctic coast.

The only way to explore the uncharted tundra of the Flat Earth is to deliberately continue to travel southward independent of compass readings upon reaching the South Pole. The explorer must put away his compass and continue walking away from the sun.

The explorer must not believe that he is on a Round Earth, otherwise he will head North since the only way to continue moving southward on a Round Earth after reaching the South Pole is to go North towards the sun.
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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2007, 06:14:55 PM »
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It is widely known and widely studied.
By who, you?
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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #127 on: November 17, 2007, 06:35:21 PM »
The series of Ice Shelves along the coast of Antarctica is the 150 foot Ice Wall. It is widely known and widely studied.

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There is no military presence on Antarctica.

Antarctica exists. It just does not exist as a continent.

...Wow. 

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #128 on: November 17, 2007, 07:11:05 PM »
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By who, you?

Nope. By Antarctic research teams.

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...Wow. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_shelf

http://www.asoc.org/general/iceshelve.htm
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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #129 on: November 17, 2007, 07:19:22 PM »
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By who, you?

Nope. By Antarctic research teams.

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...Wow. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_shelf

http://www.asoc.org/general/iceshelve.htm


Give me ONE QUOTE that says, "It is widely known and/or studied that the series of Ice Shelves along the coast of Antarctica is the 150 foot Ice Wall."

ONE.

QUOTE.

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #130 on: November 17, 2007, 07:23:28 PM »
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Give me ONE QUOTE that says, "It is widely known and/or studied that the series of Ice Shelves along the coast of Antarctica is the 150 foot Ice Wall."

ONE.

QUOTE.

    "It is widely known and/or studied that the series of Ice Shelves along the coast of Antarctica is the 150 foot Ice Wall."
    - Tom Bishop

But really, that's what the 150 foot Ice Wall has been since the publishing of Earth Not a Globe; the series of ice shelves at the coast of Antarctica. What else would it be?
« Last Edit: November 17, 2007, 07:26:32 PM by Tom Bishop »

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« Reply #131 on: November 17, 2007, 07:47:27 PM »
Tom, you just get stupider by the day.

NO ONE, ANYWHERE with any credibility will EVER admit they have been studying "the 150-foot ice wall that surrounds the disk of the earth."



Side question:

Does it ever get boring, listening to the same CD day-in and day-out?

You know the one.

"Breathe in....Breathe out....Breathe in...."   :-*

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #132 on: November 17, 2007, 08:02:17 PM »
You asked for one quote and he gave it to you. 

Now you want to complain...


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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #133 on: November 17, 2007, 08:09:13 PM »
Obviously I meant from the sources he cited (which I quoted directly above my own query).  Silly Engy.   :-*

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #134 on: November 17, 2007, 08:10:32 PM »
Give me ONE QUOTE that says, "It is widely known and/or studied that the series of Ice Shelves along the coast of Antarctica is the 150 foot Ice Wall."

ONE.

QUOTE.
Silly questions, she has yet to learn that you must be specific on these forums...


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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #135 on: November 17, 2007, 08:17:27 PM »
Engy, I'm starting to think you LIKE TomB.   :o

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #136 on: November 17, 2007, 08:57:02 PM »
Engy, I'm starting to think you LIKE TomB.   :o

We all do, on some level, I think.
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eric bloedow

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« Reply #137 on: November 18, 2007, 08:52:34 AM »
Tom, you yourself have said that the ice wall is actually a ring at least 60,000 miles in circumference!

but antarctica has been PROVEN, by Charles Wilkes, to have only 1500 miles of coast, making it OFFICIALLY a continent, something else you DENY!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkes_Land

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #138 on: November 18, 2007, 01:07:19 PM »
but antarctica has been PROVEN, by Charles Wilkes, to have only 1500 miles of coast

What?  Antarctica is much smaller than we've been led to believe!  How did you uncover this conspiracy to hide the true size of Antarctica, Erica?  :D
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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eric bloedow

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« Reply #139 on: November 18, 2007, 03:59:58 PM »
oh, i just read several atlases and such, made by REPUTABLE people.

Tom Bishop is the one who claims there is a "conspiracy" to hide it's true size! HE claims it's 60,000 miles around, and airline pilots and ship captains conspire to make it SEEM to be smaller!

and i have said before, it would be impossible because of fuel constraints, clocks and watches, day and night cycles, etc.

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #140 on: November 18, 2007, 04:19:27 PM »
But on my maps it looks a lot bigger than that to me.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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eric bloedow

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« Reply #141 on: November 18, 2007, 04:23:14 PM »
does it look bigger than all other continents combined? because that's what Tom B claims!

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2007, 04:29:01 PM »
I'm not arguing about what TomB claims, I'm arguing about what you claim.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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eric bloedow

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« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2007, 04:39:09 PM »
look at this link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Antarctica.jpg

or do you think wikipedia is also run by "the conspiracy"?

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Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2007, 05:01:43 PM »
look at this link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Antarctica.jpg

or do you think wikipedia is also run by "the conspiracy"?

That would be a map based upon the flawed model. Did the cartographer of that map explore every square inch of Antarctica before drawing that?

If he did not, then that map is NOT evidence. That would be a drawing of the theoretical continent of Antarctica.

Don't try to pass drawing off as evidence. That's just stupid.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2007, 05:03:14 PM by Tom Bishop »

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« Reply #145 on: November 18, 2007, 06:07:13 PM »
look at this link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Antarctica.jpg

or do you think wikipedia is also run by "the conspiracy"?

Do you really think that map supports your contention that Antarctica is only 1500 miles around?  ???
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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eric bloedow

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« Reply #146 on: November 18, 2007, 06:39:48 PM »
for you to say EVERY photo by NASA is fake is MUCH stupider!

try this picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Antarctica_6400px_from_Blue_Marble.jpg

and YOUR model is the FLAWED one!


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« Reply #148 on: November 18, 2007, 07:21:35 PM »
for you to say EVERY photo by NASA is fake is MUCH stupider!

try this picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Antarctica_6400px_from_Blue_Marble.jpg

and YOUR model is the FLAWED one!

 :D  There's not even a scale on that one!  lol!
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eric bloedow

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« Reply #149 on: November 21, 2007, 05:24:25 PM »
since Tom says antarctica is actually a giant ring that surrounds the ENTIRE WORLD, and this picture shows something totally different, why bother with scale?

but if you insist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_antarctica_size.png