See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!

  • 218 Replies
  • 43455 Views
?

cpt_bthimes

  • 553
  • exposer of lies
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #180 on: December 11, 2007, 12:28:37 PM »
Already done. Here is the 150 foot tall shelf of ice at the coast of Antarctica: http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

fyi, here is his "ice wall" photo in it's full context which bishop does not want you to see, taken in november 2000 by the national science foundation:

partial context, web page

fuller context, text search for " B-15A iceberg edge"

bishop is nothing more than a con-artist, knowingly passing off isolated photos of the ross ice shelf as a globe-spanning ice wall.

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #181 on: December 11, 2007, 08:45:42 PM »
In my honest opinion, nobody actually believes in FET; its proponents are using it merely as a vehicle for debate. Debating in favor of something you know to be untrue is a great mental exercise.

I have to disagree with you on that one 100%   You may see it as a great mental exercise, and that's fine and well if you're that easily amused, but name one instance where any progress was gained by arguing a point that you know to be false.  There are plenty of real mysteries out there for people to solve...and that's what all the smart people are focusing on.   The idiots are the ones who would rather argue that the earth is flat.   I mean, lets face it..this has absolutely no benefit for anyone.   The arguments are just dumb.  I would be insulted to try to argue with one of these world class freaks

Actually, trying to argue in favour of something you believe to be false is quite challenging and you have to rack your brain pretty hard to come up with convincing arguments supporting something you don't even believe, it's very stimulating.
I myself am not a RE'er or FE'er more a OE'er with lumpy bits (Oval Earther with lumpy bits)

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #182 on: December 11, 2007, 09:01:55 PM »
What i don't understand is how you explain a pendulum's motion on a flat earth model? A swinging weight will slowly rotate around it's suspended axis due to the earth's spherical rotation that can be measured as varying from different points on the globe. Also take a gyroscope, which will always face one direction after being spun up. Lets say you take one such to the equator and a spin it up wile it's main axis is perpendicular to the ground, then as you go to the north or south you will notice it is no longer perpendicular to the surface. It will seem to lean to one side as you take it south and lean the other way as you take it north. It's been done, and how do you explain it in flat earth physics? Also the conception that waters natural tendency is to spread out is completely incorrect, it will form a sphere on it's own in zero gravity... or when on a spherical surface with gravity.

?

cpt_bthimes

  • 553
  • exposer of lies
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #183 on: December 11, 2007, 09:46:23 PM »
What i don't understand is how you explain a pendulum's motion on a flat earth model? A swinging weight will slowly rotate around it's suspended axis due to the earth's spherical rotation that can be measured as varying from different points on the globe.

celestial eddies and/or the rotation of the celestial gears / poles have affect the swinging pendulum.


Also take a gyroscope, which will always face one direction after being spun up. Lets say you take one such to the equator and a spin it up wile it's main axis is perpendicular to the ground, then as you go to the north or south you will notice it is no longer perpendicular to the surface. It will seem to lean to one side as you take it south and lean the other way as you take it north. It's been done, and how do you explain it in flat earth physics?

conspiracy.  the government just says it's been done, and any photo or video was created with special effects.  (joking aside i'm not sure what the fe rebuttal is on that one.  they'd probably just doubt your claims.)

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #184 on: December 11, 2007, 09:52:06 PM »
Well then being the exploratory and experimental non ignorant people that they are  ::) they would do the experiment, like many others considering gyroscopes are not government controlled objects, and find out for themselves. And celestial eddies make no sense. Also not to mention that the reason for not being able to see the horizon because of the atmosphere conflicts with the reason why they made the sun so damn close to the earth, because they thought the lights rays would be too weak to heat the earth. This of course is not true and it's our atmosphere which is able to absorb the heat energy from the sun, hence we would be boiling right now because the sun is apparently so close.

?

cpt_bthimes

  • 553
  • exposer of lies
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #185 on: December 11, 2007, 10:03:02 PM »
Well then being the exploratory and experimental non ignorant people that they are  ::) they would do the experiment, like many others considering gyroscopes are not government controlled objects, and find out for themselves. And celestial eddies make no sense. Also not to mention that the reason for not being able to see the horizon because of the atmosphere conflicts with the reason why they made the sun so damn close to the earth, because they thought the lights rays would be too weak to heat the earth. This of course is not true and it's our atmosphere which is able to absorb the heat energy from the sun, hence we would be boiling right now because the sun is apparently so close.

i know, there are so many problems you don't even know where to start.  i suggest picking just one at a time and challenging them with your own unique meta-research, references, and arguments.  most of all, never let tom bishop off the hook with his endless stream of half-baked assertions.  they are invariably (and demonstrably) just made up.  but in the end, all you (or any of us) will have accomplished is getting a little more practiced and providing your own unique meta-research, references, and arguments...  i could save you valuable time in your life by begging you to leave - while you still have a chance.

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #186 on: December 11, 2007, 10:12:02 PM »
Well then being the exploratory and experimental non ignorant people that they are  ::) they would do the experiment, like many others considering gyroscopes are not government controlled objects, and find out for themselves. And celestial eddies make no sense. Also not to mention that the reason for not being able to see the horizon because of the atmosphere conflicts with the reason why they made the sun so damn close to the earth, because they thought the lights rays would be too weak to heat the earth. This of course is not true and it's our atmosphere which is able to absorb the heat energy from the sun, hence we would be boiling right now because the sun is apparently so close.

i know, there are so many problems you don't even know where to start.  i suggest picking just one at a time and challenging them with your own unique meta-research, references, and arguments.  most of all, never let tom bishop off the hook with his endless stream of half-baked assertions.  they are invariably (and demonstrably) just made up.  but in the end, all you (or any of us) will have accomplished is getting a little more practiced and providing your own unique meta-research, references, and arguments...  i could save you valuable time in your life by begging you to leave - while you still have a chance.
I've been having fun exercising my knowledge of Quantum and Astrophysics, I like science and I like blowin' holes in peoples theories even if it is one big joke. I've read a lot of stuff on astronomy and physics, some Stephen Hawking books, a ton of space encyclopedias, atlases of planetary bodies, star charts, chemistry books, and an array of quantum physics references. I don't mind arguing a bit but I must say it really is a joke, theres just no way anyone who believes in this theory isn't an ignorant fool.

?

cpt_bthimes

  • 553
  • exposer of lies
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #187 on: December 11, 2007, 10:42:09 PM »
Well then being the exploratory and experimental non ignorant people that they are  ::) they would do the experiment, like many others considering gyroscopes are not government controlled objects, and find out for themselves. And celestial eddies make no sense. Also not to mention that the reason for not being able to see the horizon because of the atmosphere conflicts with the reason why they made the sun so damn close to the earth, because they thought the lights rays would be too weak to heat the earth. This of course is not true and it's our atmosphere which is able to absorb the heat energy from the sun, hence we would be boiling right now because the sun is apparently so close.

i know, there are so many problems you don't even know where to start.  i suggest picking just one at a time and challenging them with your own unique meta-research, references, and arguments.  most of all, never let tom bishop off the hook with his endless stream of half-baked assertions.  they are invariably (and demonstrably) just made up.  but in the end, all you (or any of us) will have accomplished is getting a little more practiced and providing your own unique meta-research, references, and arguments...  i could save you valuable time in your life by begging you to leave - while you still have a chance.
I've been having fun exercising my knowledge of Quantum and Astrophysics, I like science and I like blowin' holes in peoples theories even if it is one big joke. I've read a lot of stuff on astronomy and physics, some Stephen Hawking books, a ton of space encyclopedias, atlases of planetary bodies, star charts, chemistry books, and an array of quantum physics references. I don't mind arguing a bit but I must say it really is a joke, theres just no way anyone who believes in this theory isn't an ignorant fool.

well it sounds like you have the right equipment then.  bring it on!

in defense of fe...or more specifically it's believers...let me posit this:  one day you are sitting on a rock in the warm sun, and god appears (whatever god you would prefer to appear just pick one).  you are absolutely certain it is god or some omnipotent/omniscient being who created everything.  you do not doubt his wisdom at all.  he tells you: "spacew00t, i know you think the earth is round.  but it's actually flat."  now, here you are, an intelligent, informed, skeptical, and educated person, with an undeniable and moving belief about a flat earth thrust upon you.  being curious by nature, you set about sincerely trying to prove or disprove logically what your "heart" or "soul" has recently come to believe: the earth is flat.

that is an analogy to how at least one fe believer came to be.

in another case, a person was hired on as a moderator of an internet forum.  being sharp and curious but wanting to support the team, he worked hard to convince himself the earth is flat.  ...unfortunately the forum owner didn't tell him the job was pro-bono.

and finally, we have the case where some guy has not been outside in 50 years.  one day he got bored of watching of the same old bestiality pornography and cutting himself, and so decided to look out the window.  his neighbor's yard looked pretty flat, and to find out why, he read a book written by a random nutcase 200 years ago who was trying to prove the literalness of the bible and it's vague suggestions that the earth might be flat.

and that's pretty much where we're at.

?

Eric Johnston

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #188 on: December 15, 2007, 07:50:21 AM »
On the previous page I see someone has put a link to my flat earth map viewer at:
http://www.satsig.net/maps/satellite-photo-image-viewer.htm

If you are interested, I also do round blue maps, still flat but with a round circular border, with one map view calculated at a time.  To see a fresh round blue map from a random viewpoint, go to this page:
 http://www.satsig.net/lat_long.htm
The page choice of viewpoint is not truly random, the height is always 35768km above the ground and I have made it so it never shows views if you are north of 60 deg north latitude or south of 60 deg south latitude !.

If you string a number of views together from gradually changing viewpoints it makes a video, like this example:

which is what you might see if you were on a sound radio broadcasting satellite with its beam aimed down towards the US.

Much depends on your choice of viewpoint.  If you are high up and move about you see the earth from different directions.  If you are low down you may not even see a coastline.  You need to be patient, it takes about 10-15 seconds CPU run time to calculate the view depending on how much coastline is visible.

Best regards, Eric.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2007, 07:53:26 AM by Eric Johnston »

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 27043
  • I'm the boss.
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #189 on: December 15, 2007, 01:49:20 PM »
If you string a number of views together from gradually changing viewpoints it makes a video, like this example:

which is what you might see if you were on a sound radio broadcasting satellite with its beam aimed down towards the US.

Nuh-uh.  Satellites don't exist.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

*

Optimus Prime

  • 1148
  • Autobot Leader: Keeper of the Matrix of Leadership
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #190 on: December 15, 2007, 03:19:06 PM »
If you string a number of views together from gradually changing viewpoints it makes a video, like this example:

which is what you might see if you were on a sound radio broadcasting satellite with its beam aimed down towards the US.

Nuh-uh.  Satellites don't exist.

Uh-Huh.. they do too!
Dyslexics are teople poo!

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 27043
  • I'm the boss.
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #191 on: December 15, 2007, 03:43:33 PM »
No they don't infinity!   :P
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

*

Optimus Prime

  • 1148
  • Autobot Leader: Keeper of the Matrix of Leadership
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #192 on: December 15, 2007, 03:57:41 PM »
No they don't infinity!   :P

Ahhh... damn.

They do exist though... *scuff*
Dyslexics are teople poo!

*

Chris Spaghetti

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 12744
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #193 on: December 15, 2007, 04:06:35 PM »
here are 2 ways to see for yourself if the world is round or flat:

proof 1: go to any airport and get on any airplane. after reaching cruising altitude, look out at the horizon.

surprise! if the earth really was flat, there would BE no horizon, and you would be able to see every single landmark in the world!
but you can't see more than a few miles, because the earth is round, and the curve blocks your view!
you don't even need an airplane; any tall building or hill would be enough to see the fact that the horizon is curved!

proof 2: go to the seashore, or the shore of any large lake. now watch a ship sailing away. notice how it seems do dissappear from the bottom up. why? because it's going over the horizon.
suprise! it is the curvature of the earth that makes the horizon! if the earth was flat, you could still see the ship 100 miles away! again, a flat earth would have no horizons!
by the way, proof 2 was quoted by Christopher Columbus while assembling his expeditions. he was wrong about one thing: the earth is nearly twice as big as he thought.

i repeat, anyone, anywhere can see the truth, with their own eyes, no camera tricks possible, just by going to any high place or any sea or lake shore and opening their eyes to the real world!

ok, to deal with the horizon argument; The following pictures were created using my FE sketchup model. it's scaled to 1meter=1mile so it won't be accurate to any degree, ok? this is just to indicate how FE horizons work, ok? right.
pic#1 is a view of the Earth from probably about 30,000ft (scaled) with no air or atmosphere
in pic#2 I apply 'fog' or atmosphere
pic #3 shows how far we can see with the 'atmosphere' turned on.




Now bare in mind in 1 we could see the ice wall, just how much visibility is reduced. The red line represents the new line of sight. This is how FE (and to an extent RE) horizons are formed
« Last Edit: December 15, 2007, 04:09:33 PM by Chris Spaghetti »

*

Chris Spaghetti

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 12744
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #194 on: December 19, 2007, 05:28:52 AM »
bumped for newbies asking about horizons

?

YellowOnion

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #195 on: December 19, 2007, 09:10:28 AM »
So I was wondering how do you FE'er explain the curve in Horizon Displayed by the red line?

*

Chris Spaghetti

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 12744
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #196 on: December 19, 2007, 09:11:48 AM »
Easy, the camera/plane/baloon/whatever is on the skew

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #197 on: December 19, 2007, 09:16:15 AM »
Easy, the camera/plane/baloon/whatever is on the skew

so, the horizon would still be curved
Quote from: jack
I'm special.

?

YellowOnion

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #198 on: December 19, 2007, 09:36:31 AM »
Easy, the camera/plane/baloon/whatever is on the skew
Skew has nothing to do with curve

Its has something to do the black line no being parallel with the bottom/top of the picture

but nothing to do with the curve

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #199 on: December 19, 2007, 12:33:59 PM »
FE has been failing recently
Quote from: jack
I'm special.

?

cpt_bthimes

  • 553
  • exposer of lies
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #200 on: December 19, 2007, 12:55:26 PM »
FE has been failing recently

it's because username, a moderating effect, left for south america and will come back an re.  theengineer posts mostly one liners re-asserting standard fe model and attacking noobs on spelling errors and such, because he's tired of debating after having been here so long and is jaded and hates life and desperately needs to go to jamaica and "get his groove back" before he spirals into a vicious cycle of self-hatred, cutting, drugs, alcohol, increasingly nasty prostitutes, and...satan worship or something.  roundy is a teenage girl having fun and venturing out into the world and will be gone the moment she...well you know.  (ahh, to be young again.)  i'd go on about the small handful of other fe'ers and devil's advocates (which btw all *do* seem to be in sparser supply lately), but i've got to get on doing what i need to be doing right now.

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #201 on: December 19, 2007, 01:35:57 PM »
FE has been failing recently

it's because username, a moderating effect, left for south america and will come back an re. 


Why did he leave? To test out his FE views?

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 27043
  • I'm the boss.
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #202 on: December 19, 2007, 02:55:49 PM »
So I was wondering how do you FE'er explain the curve in Horizon Displayed by the red line?


Why wouldn't the horizon be curved?  It represents the furthest distance we can see from a central point in all directions; it is in the shape of a circle.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #203 on: December 19, 2007, 04:00:08 PM »
So I was wondering how do you FE'er explain the curve in Horizon Displayed by the red line?


Why wouldn't the horizon be curved?  It represents the furthest distance we can see from a central point in all directions; it is in the shape of a circle.
Taking a similar picture with an IMAX camera would show that the curve is not a flat surface.

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 27043
  • I'm the boss.
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #204 on: December 19, 2007, 04:08:04 PM »
The atmospheric density causes the illusion that the surface itself is curved.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #205 on: December 19, 2007, 04:11:04 PM »
The atmospheric density causes the illusion that the surface itself is curved.
That picture is taken from the upper edge of the atmosphere. If what you say is true, than every celestial body would appear heavily distorted from the ground.

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 27043
  • I'm the boss.
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #206 on: December 19, 2007, 04:15:32 PM »
I don't see any reason why.  It's the density of the atmosphere close to the ground and in the distance that gives the illusion of a curve.  Above us we're not looking at nearly as much atmosphere so the opposite effect takes hold, giving us a clear view of the heavens.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #207 on: December 19, 2007, 04:18:36 PM »
I don't see any reason why.  It's the density of the atmosphere close to the ground and in the distance that gives the illusion of a curve.  Above us we're not looking at nearly as much atmosphere so the opposite effect takes hold, giving us a clear view of the heavens.
Wrong.

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 27043
  • I'm the boss.
Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #208 on: December 19, 2007, 04:25:07 PM »
I don't see any reason why.  It's the density of the atmosphere close to the ground and in the distance that gives the illusion of a curve.  Above us we're not looking at nearly as much atmosphere so the opposite effect takes hold, giving us a clear view of the heavens.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: See for yourself! the truth is right before your eyes!
« Reply #209 on: December 19, 2007, 04:29:34 PM »
I don't see any reason why.  It's the density of the atmosphere close to the ground and in the distance that gives the illusion of a curve.  Above us we're not looking at nearly as much atmosphere so the opposite effect takes hold, giving us a clear view of the heavens.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong infinity!