How Far is the Sun When It Vanishes At the Horizon? A Disproof of FE

Ok, along the same lines. I'd like to know how - on a flat Earth model - can we see part of the sun at sunrise. Any time I go to watch the sun rise (even at different times of the year), I see a little light, then I see part of the disk of the sun, and then eventually, the whole sun is visible. If the sun was coming closer and closer for me to see it, as FET says, then I should see some light, and then eventually I should see the disk of the sun glowing brighter and brighter.

This is not the case. I see part of the disk of the sun as it rises over the horizon.

Now hear this: Air makes cheap projector screens.

Now hear this: Air makes cheap projector screens.

The conspiracy doesn't allow that.

If the sun shone on the atmosphere, wouldn't a receding sun look ovular, like a flashlight held at an angle to the table?

If the sun shone on the atmosphere, wouldn't a receding sun look ovular, like a flashlight held at an angle to the table?

No, because Flat Earths have atmospheres with an elongated Y-axis.

Quote from: Trekky0623 on December 18, 2007, 05:17:33 PM

If the sun shone on the atmosphere, wouldn't a receding sun look ovular, like a flashlight held at an angle to the table?

No, because Flat Earths have atmospheres with an elongated Y-axis.

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Notice how Tom runs off after he's disproved a certain amount of times? He then jumps threads and says the same thing... and so on, so forth.

EDIT: Actually, I'm completely content to debunk "Chapter 10 of Earth is not a Globe"

The atmosphere surrounding a globe would not permit of anything like the same degree of enlargement of the sun when rising and setting, as we daily see in nature.

"At these times it appears close to the horizon where the density of the air differs greatly. The air near the ground is denser than the layer of air just above it, and the layer of air above that is less dense still, and so on upwards until the Earth's atmosphere peters out at some 400 km. Now consider what happens when the Sun is setting. When the Sun is at the horizon, light from the top of the disc is going through the air at a different angle than that from the lower part. So the rays are bent by different amounts before they reach the observer's eye. The result is that the bottom part of the Sun's disc appears to be lifted up. In consequence the Sun's disc appears slightly compressed."

Compression/Enlargement of the sun are caused by the same thing. As the sun rises, the rays pass through more atmosphere than they do at mid-day. This has a refracting effect - meaning that the sun can either appear squashed or enlarged, depending on where you view it from.
Warm air is less dense, therefor you will get a magnification effect over desert areas (As I occasionally see in the Australian desert). Cold air is much more dense, over an ocean for example. Therefor, you will receive a squashing effect at sunrise. I have seen this too, as I am currently living on the Australian coast. We have awesome beaches.

I was thinking of drawing pictures, but I'm sure you could google them. The shape and density of the atmosphere is all there is to it.

Notice how Tom runs off after he's disproved a certain amount of times? He then jumps threads and says the same thing... and so on, so forth.

EDIT: Actually, I'm completely content to debunk "Chapter 10 of Earth is not a Globe"

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The atmosphere surrounding a globe would not permit of anything like the same degree of enlargement of the sun when rising and setting, as we daily see in nature.

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"At these times it appears close to the horizon where the density of the air differs greatly. The air near the ground is denser than the layer of air just above it, and the layer of air above that is less dense still, and so on upwards until the Earth's atmosphere peters out at some 400 km. Now consider what happens when the Sun is setting. When the Sun is at the horizon, light from the top of the disc is going through the air at a different angle than that from the lower part. So the rays are bent by different amounts before they reach the observer's eye. The result is that the bottom part of the Sun's disc appears to be lifted up. In consequence the Sun's disc appears slightly compressed."

Compression/Enlargement of the sun are caused by the same thing. As the sun rises, the rays pass through more atmosphere than they do at mid-day. This has a refracting effect - meaning that the sun can either appear squashed or enlarged, depending on where you view it from.
Warm air is less dense, therefor you will get a magnification effect over desert areas (As I occasionally see in the Australian desert). Cold air is much more dense, over an ocean for example. Therefor, you will receive a squashing effect at sunrise. I have seen this too, as I am currently living on the Australian coast. We have awesome beaches.

I was thinking of drawing pictures, but I'm sure you could google them. The shape and density of the atmosphere is all there is to it.

You say you're from Australia, therefore you don't exist anyway according to some FE'ers. lol

That is correct, Australia does not exist. Where my friends are that say they are in Australia, I do not know.

(I don't actually believe this)