There is no god.

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #300 on: January 01, 2008, 05:16:11 PM »
lol irony. What makes something magic? Having magical abilities. ::)

You'll say almost anything to avoid admitting that you are wrong. It's pathetic, really. Still entertaining though.
He was using one of many definition of magic. If you consider anything mysterious magic then dark matter is magic. The point is he is trying to associate god with the illusions you might see at birthday parties.

The great thing about the bible is that it is almost impossible to tell what is metaphor and what isn't, and nobody can seem to agree on which is which.
LOL, no. Non-literalists agree on the majority of scripture, including what is metaphor.

Everyone still seems to think that their interpretation of the bible is the right one though.
Are people supposed to pick the interpretation they think is wrong?

You'd think that the word of god would be more accurate than the teachings of a priest who has the same flaws as every other human on the planet.
The difference is that a priest has likely spent a good deal of time studying scripture considering the historical, textual and cultural context, whereas you are trying to discredit scripture by interpreting it to your own ends.

The bible clearly states that if you ask for something, you will get it. It does not set any limits. And there is no way to interpret that as metaphor.
Ten seconds in google proves you wrong. If you had been trying to find the true meaning of the bible, rather then trying to discredit it, you would have found this:

Quote from: http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/4314.htm
Whatever you ask in My name, that I will do: In My name is not an Aladdin’s lamp of prayer; it signifies both an endorsement (like a check) and a limitation (requests must be in accordance with the character of the name). We are coming to God in Jesus’ name, not in our own.

Quote from: James 4:3
When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
No limitations at all!

See above. A priest's word does not negate the teachings of the bible.
Priest's words don't, but you wish yours would!

You really don't know anything about Christianity.

Even if you find the Christian god a ridiculous concept there are innumerable different concepts of god. Do you have a rational to reject them all?
They are all roughly equally absurd, but more importantly not one of them has a shred of evidence to support it.
So you don't have any rational besides labeling them all 'absurd', bravo.
Still waiting on this.

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #301 on: January 02, 2008, 12:38:04 AM »


I laweled so hard, I snorted Narcberry.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #302 on: January 03, 2008, 11:34:16 PM »
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You fail again. God is a metaphysical concept, not a mythological being. For god to be a mythical being he would have to have a billy-goat beard and shoot fire out his ass or some shit like that. God has no corporeal body.

Ah, ok. So Jesus, having a corporeal body, is a mythical being, then. Or maybe not? Perhaps Zeus is a metaphysical concept as well? Or did you mean that God in general is a metaphysical concept, but your God in specific is a mythical being? Or do you mean Zeus is a mythical being but your God is a metaphysical concept?

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mythological

  • adjective 1
relating to or found in mythology; mythical. 2 fictitious.

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mythical

  • adjective 1
occurring in or characteristic of myths or folk tales. 2 fictitious.

 I don't see how having a corporeal body is a requirement. You may object that your God is not fictitious, but I may in turn object that Zeus is not fictitious. Would you object to labeling of Zeus a mythological being? Yet your God has no more evidence of his existence than Zeus. Both are certainly characteristic of myths; your God is similar in many ways to other ancient Gods that, I think, you would not hesitate to label as myths.

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The cosmic egg is only matter. Why would all the matter that makes up the universe remain motionless for eternity then suddenly move. The cosmic egg would need a mover, it does not answer primum movens at all. It is impossible to reach the beginning of the universe purely using scientific reasoning as there would be an infinite regression of causes.

Um, no. The cosmic egg was not matter. Matter did not form until a small fraction of a second after the Big Bang.

Yes, of course you have an infinite regression, unless you assume a first cause in place 'before' time. The cosmic egg is a possibility, God is another. Stephen Hawking speculated that time is simply our perception of the direction of increasing universal entropy. In that case, time would not have existed before the Bang. Either candidate for primum movens could have existed forever 'before' time. The God explanation, however, requires unnecessary multiplication of entities. You ask why would the cosmic egg remain motionless for eternity then explode- I might as well ask why God would remain motionless for eternity then create the universe. We don't know, in either case. Your folly lies in claiming this lack of knowledge as warrant for belief in your God.

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He was using one of many definition of magic. If you consider anything mysterious magic then dark matter is magic. The point is he is trying to associate god with the illusions you might see at birthday parties.

I don't consider anything mysterious magic. I consider anything with magical abilities magic. God's abilities clearly fit that particular definition of magic. You may take issue with that definition, but it is childish to take issue with my labeling of 'God' as magical when such a label is perfectly consistent with this very common usage of the term.

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LOL, no. Non-literalists agree on the majority of scripture, including what is metaphor.

Having spoken with many Christians on the subject, some of whom were literalists, some non-literalists, many of them professors of theology or philosophy, that is simply false. The range and variety of disagreement is vast. Tell me, is this passage meant to be taken literally or metaphorically:

Quote from: Exodus 20
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

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Quote from: James 4:3
When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
No limitations at all!

You would have done well to quote the previous verses of James 4, which show that it is far from clear that the above-quoted verse refers to prayer at all:

Quote from: James 4:1-3
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

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So you don't have any rational besides labeling them all 'absurd', bravo.

They are all absurd because they all speak of events in the history of the material world that current science deems extremely unlikely (read: so unlikely that probability should forbid them from having happened in the lifetime of the universe), without providing a shred of evidence to back up these claims, and demanding that they be taken at face value simply on their say-so.

Oh, and it's 'rationale', by the way.

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #303 on: January 04, 2008, 12:48:42 AM »
Quote from: Althalus
You fail again. God is a metaphysical concept, not a mythological being. For god to be a mythical being he would have to have a billy-goat beard and shoot fire out his ass or some shit like that. God has no corporeal body.

Ah, ok. So Jesus, having a corporeal body, is a mythical being, then.
To bad Jesus' existence is accepted by the vast majority of scholars.

Quote from: Robert E. Van Voorst, Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence
The nonhistoricity thesis has always been controversial, and it has consistently failed to convince scholars of many disciplines and religious creeds. ... Biblical scholars and classical historians now regard it as effectively refuted.

Quote from: Burridge, R & Gould, G, Jesus Now and Then
"There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church’s imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that any more.


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mythological

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relating to or found in mythology; mythical. 2 fictitious.

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mythical

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occurring in or characteristic of myths or folk tales. 2 fictitious.
Humans and the earth appear in almost all myths. Therefore they are mythical.

You may object that your God is not fictitious, but I may in turn object that Zeus is not fictitious. Would you object to labeling of Zeus a mythological being? Yet your God has no more evidence of his existence than Zeus. Both are certainly characteristic of myths; your God is similar in many ways to other ancient Gods that, I think, you would not hesitate to label as myths.
Zeus is easily falsifiable. Climb Mount Olympus.
 
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The cosmic egg is only matter. Why would all the matter that makes up the universe remain motionless for eternity then suddenly move. The cosmic egg would need a mover, it does not answer primum movens at all. It is impossible to reach the beginning of the universe purely using scientific reasoning as there would be an infinite regression of causes.

Um, no. The cosmic egg was not matter. Matter did not form until a small fraction of a second after the Big Bang.

Yes, of course you have an infinite regression, unless you assume a first cause in place 'before' time. The cosmic egg is a possibility, God is another. Stephen Hawking speculated that time is simply our perception of the direction of increasing universal entropy. In that case, time would not have existed before the Bang. Either candidate for primum movens could have existed forever 'before' time. The God explanation, however, requires unnecessary multiplication of entities. You ask why would the cosmic egg remain motionless for eternity then explode- I might as well ask why God would remain motionless for eternity then create the universe. We don't know, in either case. Your folly lies in claiming this lack of knowledge as warrant for belief in your God.
Allow me to rephrase: Why would the cosmic egg go from non-motion to motion? You seem to think this is not at all less likely then God creating the universe but God has ability, where the egg does not. Thus, God is the only real candidate for creation of the universe.

The God explanation, however, requires unnecessary multiplication of entities.
What? If you are saying God would require creation by God-X, would require creation by God-Y then you are forgetting this is before time, else the cosmic egg would require a previous egg would require a previous egg.

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He was using one of many definition of magic. If you consider anything mysterious magic then dark matter is magic. The point is he is trying to associate god with the illusions you might see at birthday parties.
I don't consider anything mysterious magic. I consider anything with magical abilities magic. God's abilities clearly fit that particular definition of magic. You may take issue with that definition, but it is childish to take issue with my labeling of 'God' as magical when such a label is perfectly consistent with this very common usage of the term.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(paranormal)
Magic, sometimes known as sorcery, is a conceptual system that asserts human ability to control the natural world (including events, objects, people, and physical phenomena) through mystical, paranormal or supernatural means. The term can also refer to the practices employed by a person asserting this influence, and to beliefs that explain various events and phenomena in such terms. In many cultures, magic is under pressure from, and in competition with, scientific and religious conceptual systems.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(illusion)
Magic is a performing art that entertains an audience by creating illusions of impossible or supernatural feats, using purely natural means. These feats are called magic tricks, effects or illusions.
These two terms nicely cover the common usage of the term 'magic'. Try again.

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LOL, no. Non-literalists agree on the majority of scripture, including what is metaphor.

Having spoken with many Christians on the subject, some of whom were literalists, some non-literalists, many of them professors of theology or philosophy, that is simply false. The range and variety of disagreement is vast. Tell me, is this passage meant to be taken literally or metaphorically:

Quote from: Exodus 20
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Is this related to anything central to Christianity? It seems rather straightforward to me. 

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Quote from: James 4:3
When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
No limitations at all!

You would have done well to quote the previous verses of James 4, which show that it is far from clear that the above-quoted verse refers to prayer at all:

Quote from: James 4:1-3
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
It is very obvious that the verse is talking about prayer. What is so hard to admit about this? You said there were no limitations at all.

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So you don't have any rational besides labeling them all 'absurd', bravo.

They are all absurd because they all speak of events in the history of the material world that current science deems extremely unlikely (read: so unlikely that probability should forbid them from having happened in the lifetime of the universe), without providing a shred of evidence to back up these claims, and demanding that they be taken at face value simply on their say-so.
What events in history does a non-interventioning god create? I mean all types and concepts of god, not just religious ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptions_of_God#Metaphysics_and_Philosophy

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #304 on: January 04, 2008, 09:44:09 AM »
Althalus, I think you misunderstood some of the points that dysfunction made.  For one, he didn't deny Jesus' existence, he was only making the same point that I made, which is that Jesus was God's corporeal body.   A billy goat beard and fire coming from his ass are not required  for  a  corporeal being.   

Arguing over the usage of the words magic and magical is kind of silly.  I understand that when people use the word magic they are usually  referring to card tricks, and illusions, but magic has a paranormal definition too (although you may not like that definition either) and that definition does fit to a certain degree.   In Christian view God has control over the natural world, to a nonbeliever that is magic.  It's just semantics.   

Humans and the Earth are still here for us to observe, so is my dog.. where are the centaurs?  Where is God?  They are left behind in the myths that created them,  while humans and the Earth (the real parts of the myths) are still here.   Myths are just stories created by humans, for whatever purpose, so including humans and a few actual events  in them is natural.  This doesn't make humans and the Earth mythical.   
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #305 on: January 04, 2008, 04:07:39 PM »
NO U.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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« Reply #306 on: January 04, 2008, 06:03:41 PM »
 :-*
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #307 on: January 04, 2008, 06:34:53 PM »
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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #308 on: January 04, 2008, 08:09:52 PM »
Cowgirl summed up very well how this discussion has proceeded- Althalus, your entire argument has consisted of bickering over semantics. You refuse to accept common definitions of terms, and do not even attempt to back up your claim that your God is less improbable in some significant way than beings or events that most people today acknowledge as mythical.
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« Reply #309 on: January 04, 2008, 08:20:33 PM »
Good job not refuting anything I said.

Re: There is no god.
« Reply #310 on: January 05, 2008, 09:12:30 AM »
In Islam, Hell is not permanent. Depending on what you've done, you stay in for longer/shorter than someone else.

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« Reply #311 on: January 05, 2008, 11:09:03 AM »
Good job refuting everything I said.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #312 on: January 05, 2008, 11:49:56 AM »
regardless, any discussion will not make any difference to the fact that there is no god.

At least not in a theistic sense anyway.
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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #313 on: January 05, 2008, 12:05:44 PM »
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

Re: There is no god.
« Reply #314 on: January 05, 2008, 07:48:32 PM »
Althalus, I think you misunderstood some of the points that dysfunction made.  For one, he didn't deny Jesus' existence, he was only making the same point that I made, which is that Jesus was God's corporeal body. A billy goat beard and fire coming from his ass are not required  for  a  corporeal being.
Jesus is a part of the trinity, not the whole of God.


In regards to a corporeal body, this does not make something mythical. Mythical beings typically have a mythical appearance. They also don't exist.
Arguing over the usage of the words magic and magical is kind of silly.  I understand that when people use the word magic they are usually  referring to card tricks, and illusions, but magic has a paranormal definition too (although you may not like that definition either) and that definition does fit to a certain degree.   In Christian view God has control over the natural world, to a nonbeliever that is magic.  It's just semantics.
This is true, but magic traditionally refers to humans claiming to influence the present and future through supernatural means. God falls outside this definition.

Humans and the Earth are still here for us to observe, so is my dog.. where are the centaurs?  Where is God?  They are left behind in the myths that created them,  while humans and the Earth (the real parts of the myths) are still here.   Myths are just stories created by humans, for whatever purpose, so including humans and a few actual events  in them is natural.  This doesn't make humans and the Earth mythical.
You have acknowledged that it is presence in myth and being fictional that makes something mythical. So far no one (Dysfunction included) has established god as being fictional so use of the term is rather dishonest.

Cowgirl summed up very well how this discussion has proceeded- Althalus, your entire argument has consisted of bickering over semantics. You refuse to accept common definitions of terms, and do not even attempt to back up your claim that your God is less improbable in some significant way than beings or events that most people today acknowledge as mythical.
Your entire argument has consisted of bickering over semantics. You refuse to accept common definitions of terms, and do not even attempt to back up your claim that God that does not exist in any rational way.

See how easy that was?

You have failed to disprove god's existence. You have failed to establish god as mythical or as magical. You have failed to show there are no limitations on prayer. You have failed to justify your non-belief in any type or concept of god (not just the religious ones).


Allow me to rephrase: Why would the cosmic egg go from non-motion to motion? You seem to think this is not at all less likely then God creating the universe but God has ability, where the egg does not. Thus, God is the only real candidate for creation of the universe.

What events in history does a non-interventioning god create? I mean all types and concepts of god, not just religious ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptions_of_God#Metaphysics_and_Philosophy

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #315 on: January 05, 2008, 09:26:42 PM »
Shoot, Akkadians from the planet Nibiru created us all anyway, and Centaurs, Minotaurs, and the like were nothing more than failed genetic experiments that happened while they were trying to make *us*. They simply had compassion for their creations and didn't kill them off just for being different.

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« Reply #316 on: January 05, 2008, 11:32:44 PM »
Quote from: Nuns on the run
Charlie McManus: You've got the Father, the Son and the holy ghost. But the three are one - like a shamrock, my old priest used to say. "Three leaves, but one leaf." Now, the father sent down the son, who was love, and then when he went away, he sent down the holy spirit, who came down in the form of a...
Brian Hope: You told me already - a ghost.
Charlie McManus: No, a dove.
Brian Hope: The dove was a ghost?
Charlie McManus: No, the ghost was a dove.
Brian Hope: Let me try and summarize this: God is his son. And his son is God. But his son moonlights as a holy ghost, a holy spirit, and a dove. And they all send each other, even though they're all one and the same thing.
Charlie McManus: You've got it. You really could be a nun!

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #317 on: January 06, 2008, 01:12:29 PM »
Althalus,  no one said that a corporeal body made something mythical.  You said that God didn't have a corporeal body, then you said something about billy goat beards and fire coming from his ass.   I said that Jesus was God's corporeal body - Jesus was corporeal, just like you are corporeal.  Look up the definition for corporeal and stop making yourself look stupid.   

God falls outside the definitions of magic for you because you obviously believe that the bible is historical fact.   People who look at the bible as religious propaganda tend to view God as a magical mythical being. 

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You have acknowledged that it is presence in myth and being fictional that makes something mythical. So far no one (Dysfunction included) has established god as being fictional so use of the term is rather dishonest.

What?    Why is it a requirement for one of us to establish that god is fictional?  Where is he then? Can you prove that he's real? 

The applicable definitions are in bold.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/myth
myth

Main Entry:
Pronunciation:
    \ˈmith\
Function:
    noun
Etymology:
    Greek mythos
Date:
    1830

1 a: a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b: parable allegory2 a: a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of a society or segment of society <seduced by the American myth of individualism — Orde Coombs> b: an unfounded or false notion3: a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence4: the whole body of myths

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #318 on: January 06, 2008, 03:14:03 PM »
lol
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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« Reply #319 on: January 06, 2008, 04:32:24 PM »
Althalus,  no one said that a corporeal body made something mythical.  You said that God didn't have a corporeal body, then you said something about billy goat beards and fire coming from his ass.   I said that Jesus was God's corporeal body - Jesus was corporeal, just like you are corporeal.  Look up the definition for corporeal and stop making yourself look stupid.
Jesus' body was Jesus' body, not God's body. I never said he didn't have a body.   

God falls outside the definitions of magic for you because you obviously believe that the bible is historical fact.   People who look at the bible as religious propaganda tend to view God as a magical mythical being.
:Sigh:
I don't think the bible is historical fact. In fact I never said that it was. 

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You have acknowledged that it is presence in myth and being fictional that makes something mythical. So far no one (Dysfunction included) has established god as being fictional so use of the term is rather dishonest.

What? Why is it a requirement for one of us to establish that god is fictional?  Where is he then? Can you prove that he's real? 

The applicable definitions are in bold.
The burden of proof is on those that make claims. By saying that God is mythical you are claiming that God does not exist. Thus, to properly use the term mythical in regards to God, you must establish God as fictional.

1 a: a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b: parable allegory2 a: a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of a society or segment of society <seduced by the American myth of individualism — Orde Coombs> b: an unfounded or false notion3: a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence4: the whole body of myths
See above.

And then there are the innumerable religious and non-religious concepts of god besides the Christian one, in which no one has justified non-belief.

What events in history does a non-interventioning god create? I mean all types and concepts of god, not just religious ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptions_of_God#Metaphysics_and_Philosophy

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« Reply #320 on: January 06, 2008, 04:41:46 PM »
but there is no proof that God exists.

Ergo, as a scientist, the evidence points to the contrary.
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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #321 on: January 06, 2008, 07:29:44 PM »
Althalus, I suppose we should all stop referring to Zeus as mythical, since none of us have proven he isn't real.
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« Reply #322 on: January 06, 2008, 07:31:15 PM »
Althalus, I suppose we should all stop referring to Zeus as mythical, since none of us have proven he isn't real.
I've already addressed this, climb mount Olympus.

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« Reply #323 on: January 06, 2008, 07:32:41 PM »
reference?
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #324 on: January 06, 2008, 07:42:30 PM »
Althalus, I suppose we should all stop referring to Zeus as mythical, since none of us have proven he isn't real.
I've already addressed this, climb mount Olympus.

Ah, but it's unfair to take Greek myths literally, Mount Olympus is obviously a metaphor::)
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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #325 on: January 06, 2008, 07:44:16 PM »
Althalus, I suppose we should all stop referring to Zeus as mythical, since none of us have proven he isn't real.
I've already addressed this, climb mount Olympus.

Ah, but it's unfair to take Greek myths literally, Mount Olympus is obviously a metaphor::)
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What events in history does a non-interventioning god create? I mean all types and concepts of god, not just religious ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptions_of_God#Metaphysics_and_Philosophy

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« Reply #326 on: January 06, 2008, 08:00:23 PM »
Althalus, I suppose we should all stop referring to Zeus as mythical, since none of us have proven he isn't real.
I've already addressed this, climb mount Olympus.

Ah, but it's unfair to take Greek myths literally, Mount Olympus is obviously a metaphor::)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Well, you don't get to have a double-standard. The Bible says your God lives in the sky. If there were two billion pagans in the world today, don't you think theologians would be interpreting Mount Olympus to mean a supernatural plane of existence? If the fact that Genesis' account of creation is simply incorrect doesn't falsify the rest of the Bible, why should the fact that the gods don't live on a physical mountain on Earth (the mountain called Mount Olympus, of course, wasn't named until a couple thousand years after the myths were written) falsify Zeus?

What events in history does a non-interventioning god create? I mean all types and concepts of god, not just religious ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptions_of_God#Metaphysics_and_Philosophy

In the post that quote was referencing, I was speaking about religious gods, however, a Deist god presumably would leave some footprints in the Big Bang. Even if not, the chief issue is that all concepts of God, religious, intervening, or otherwise, make objective truth-claims about the nature of reality, whether that reality be natural or supernatural, claims without a shred of evidence presented in support.
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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #327 on: January 07, 2008, 09:17:53 AM »
Althalus, if you don't believe in the trinity, then why did you bring it up?   I'm beginning to think you don't understand what you are saying half the time. 

Here's an explanation of the Trinity from http://everystudent.com/forum/trinity.html?gclid=CPacg43L5JACFRk0awodznb1Ww
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God the Son (Jesus) is fully, completely God. God the Father is fully, completely God. And God the Holy Spirit is fully, completely God. Yet there is only one God. In our world, with our limited human experience, it's tough to understand the Trinity. But from the beginning we see God this way in Scripture. Notice the plural pronouns "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 -- Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Catholic explanation: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

If you'd rather use Wikipedia  as a source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

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Jesus' body was Jesus' body, not God's body. I never said he didn't have a body.

So you are saying that Jesus is not "The Son" in the Trinity?  Jesus' body was his own, yes.. but Jesus was God in corporeal form.   

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The burden of proof is on those that make claims. By saying that God is mythical you are claiming that God does not exist. Thus, to properly use the term mythical in regards to God, you must establish God as fictional.

I am claiming that God is unverifiable.  Unverifiable = myth.    You can't rewrite the dictionary to suit your argument.   I think I have a much better grasp of the term mythical and therefore I can use it in regards to God.  I do not have to establish God as fictional.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: There is no god.
« Reply #328 on: January 07, 2008, 09:35:45 AM »
Althalus, if you don't believe in the trinity, then why did you bring it up?   I'm beginning to think you don't understand what you are saying half the time. 

Here's an explanation of the Trinity from http://everystudent.com/forum/trinity.html?gclid=CPacg43L5JACFRk0awodznb1Ww
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God the Son (Jesus) is fully, completely God. God the Father is fully, completely God. And God the Holy Spirit is fully, completely God. Yet there is only one God. In our world, with our limited human experience, it's tough to understand the Trinity. But from the beginning we see God this way in Scripture. Notice the plural pronouns "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 -- Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Catholic explanation: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

If you'd rather use Wikipedia  as a source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

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Jesus' body was Jesus' body, not God's body. I never said he didn't have a body.

So you are saying that Jesus is not "The Son" in the Trinity?  Jesus' body was his own, yes.. but Jesus was God in corporeal form.
Have you listened to one fucking thing I've said? Jesus is not the entirety of God, accept it. The Trinity are undividable in essence, Jesus is part of God. I SAID THAT JESUS IS NOT THE ENTIRETY OF GOD THAT IS WHAT I SAID. I DID NOT SAY THAT JESUS IS NOT ENTIRELY GOD, I SAID HE IS NOT THE ENTIRTY OF GOD.

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The burden of proof is on those that make claims. By saying that God is mythical you are claiming that God does not exist. Thus, to properly use the term mythical in regards to God, you must establish God as fictional.

I am claiming that God is unverifiable.  Unverifiable = myth. You can't rewrite the dictionary to suit your argument. I think I have a much better grasp of the term mythical and therefore I can use it in regards to God.  I do not have to establish God as fictional.
I never re-wrote the fucking dictionary! Every fucking time you say "magical", "mythical", "fictional" YOU USE A DIFFERENT FUCKING DEFINITION. Now that you have exhausted all the definitions that are wrong, can you please pick one obscure-as-fuck, miniscule, largely incorrect definition that actual functions like you pretend it does and stick with it?

JESUS FUCKING RODRIGUEZ

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Re: There is no god.
« Reply #329 on: January 07, 2008, 09:56:23 AM »
You sound angry!   It's not my fault you don't have a good understanding of the English language.    Perhaps you should complain to Merriam-Webster.  :D  I'm beginning to think that you were home schooled.   



I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.