What is the Plan of Salvation?

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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2008, 01:56:59 PM »
Why is that funny?
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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2008, 07:34:54 AM »
Because it's stupid, that's why.
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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2008, 07:48:22 AM »
My new Messiah:
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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2008, 03:09:40 AM »
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We do not have to be perfect to be in the presence of God, because the Bible tells us only God is perfect.

I do not concur.

I believe that those who do enter the presence of God are first perfected by God in order to be able to be in his presence.  God became man in order that man may become God.  Salvation necessarily involves deification.  importantly, do understand that I am distinguishing the essence of God from the grace of God.  The essence of God is unknowable both in this life and in the next.  The ultimate goal of Christian salvation is deification which means uniting with the grace of God.  The definition of the Grace of God is uncreated energy.  Only God is uncreated.  Therefore, it is right to think of Grace (i.e. uncreated energy) and God as One and the same. 

The deification of man for his salvation is the main purpose of the economy or mission of Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ has two natures - a God nature and a man nature.  When the Word of God took on human flesh from Mary and became the Christ, His flesh was deified by His God nature and according to this principle will those who follow Him in spirit be deified and thus saved.  The Kingdom of Heaven is within.  Through struggle to perfection in this life is one made internally fit for entrance into the third heaven above after one's death. 

There is an acount of an out of body experience (I believe it exists on the internet) of a baptized Russian agnostic (about AD 1900) who fell sick and died at a fairly young age.  After exiting his body at the hospital, he was seized by two angels who brought him up eastwards in the air a great distance.  Finally they came to an otherwordly light which made no shadow such that even closing his eyes made no difference as even eyelids left no shadow to this light.  It was unbearable for him and he thought the torments of hell would be less horrible than this light.  A voice came from the light and said "Not Ready" at which moment the angels turned around and brought him back all the way to his dead body back on earth when the one which he for some reason instinctively recognized as his guardian angel said "Have you not heard the words of God?  Enter in and prepare yourself."  And the two angels immediately vanished and to his revulsion he felt himself being sucked back in to his old body.

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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2008, 11:15:44 AM »
Quote from: gking92
We do not have to be perfect to be in the presence of God, because the Bible tells us only God is perfect.

I do not concur.

I believe that those who do enter the presence of God are first perfected by God in order to be able to be in his presence.  God became man in order that man may become God.  Salvation necessarily involves deification.  importantly, do understand that I am distinguishing the essence of God from the grace of God.  The essence of God is unknowable both in this life and in the next.  The ultimate goal of Christian salvation is deification which means uniting with the grace of God.  The definition of the Grace of God is uncreated energy.  Only God is uncreated.  Therefore, it is right to think of Grace (i.e. uncreated energy) and God as One and the same. 

The deification of man for his salvation is the main purpose of the economy or mission of Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ has two natures - a God nature and a man nature.  When the Word of God took on human flesh from Mary and became the Christ, His flesh was deified by His God nature and according to this principle will those who follow Him in spirit be deified and thus saved.  The Kingdom of Heaven is within.  Through struggle to perfection in this life is one made internally fit for entrance into the third heaven above after one's death. 

There is an acount of an out of body experience (I believe it exists on the internet) of a baptized Russian agnostic (about AD 1900) who fell sick and died at a fairly young age.  After exiting his body at the hospital, he was seized by two angels who brought him up eastwards in the air a great distance.  Finally they came to an otherwordly light which made no shadow such that even closing his eyes made no difference as even eyelids left no shadow to this light.  It was unbearable for him and he thought the torments of hell would be less horrible than this light.  A voice came from the light and said "Not Ready" at which moment the angels turned around and brought him back all the way to his dead body back on earth when the one which he for some reason instinctively recognized as his guardian angel said "Have you not heard the words of God?  Enter in and prepare yourself."  And the two angels immediately vanished and to his revulsion he felt himself being sucked back in to his old body.

Wow, what a story.
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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2008, 03:51:55 PM »
Quote from: gking92
We do not have to be perfect to be in the presence of God, because the Bible tells us only God is perfect.

I do not concur.

I believe that those who do enter the presence of God are first perfected by God in order to be able to be in his presence.  God became man in order that man may become God.  Salvation necessarily involves deification.  importantly, do understand that I am distinguishing the essence of God from the grace of God.  The essence of God is unknowable both in this life and in the next.  The ultimate goal of Christian salvation is deification which means uniting with the grace of God.  The definition of the Grace of God is uncreated energy.  Only God is uncreated.  Therefore, it is right to think of Grace (i.e. uncreated energy) and God as One and the same. 

The deification of man for his salvation is the main purpose of the economy or mission of Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ has two natures - a God nature and a man nature.  When the Word of God took on human flesh from Mary and became the Christ, His flesh was deified by His God nature and according to this principle will those who follow Him in spirit be deified and thus saved.  The Kingdom of Heaven is within.  Through struggle to perfection in this life is one made internally fit for entrance into the third heaven above after one's death. 

There is an acount of an out of body experience (I believe it exists on the internet) of a baptized Russian agnostic (about AD 1900) who fell sick and died at a fairly young age.  After exiting his body at the hospital, he was seized by two angels who brought him up eastwards in the air a great distance.  Finally they came to an otherwordly light which made no shadow such that even closing his eyes made no difference as even eyelids left no shadow to this light.  It was unbearable for him and he thought the torments of hell would be less horrible than this light.  A voice came from the light and said "Not Ready" at which moment the angels turned around and brought him back all the way to his dead body back on earth when the one which he for some reason instinctively recognized as his guardian angel said "Have you not heard the words of God?  Enter in and prepare yourself."  And the two angels immediately vanished and to his revulsion he felt himself being sucked back in to his old body.

Led Zeppelin is the best band ever. My favorite song by them is Stairway to Heaven. I also like Queen (Bohomeian Rhapsody is the best song ever) and Pink Floyd (We don't need no Education is their best song).

System of a Down is the best band today. Dancing in the Desert and When Angels Die are awesome songs.

Carlos Mencia is the best comedian ever and I cannot wait to see him on Dancing with the Stars. Joe Rogan is a jealous asshole. Dave Chapelle was funny to. I wonder where he went.

I enjoy American Idol (I audition whenever it gets to my city), NASCAR (watching it right now), myspace (I have over 9000 friends on there and I'm better than you because of it)and reading Youtube comments.

Catcher in the Rye is my favorite book.

Anime rulez.

X-box is the best video game system around. Luckily, my parents are buying me a PS3 AND a Wii.

I am an expert spawncamper and killer.

I love playing WoW and Yugioh.

Pokemon are for gay little kids.

Kingdom Hearts 2 is my favorite game in the Final Fantasy series. I love the gameplay and the plot is just plain amazing. Kingdom Hearts 2 was the real deal. You're just too much of a dipshit to know how to play it right. It was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had. Just because you're too low on the socio-economic ladder to afford great games shouldn't mean you should speak like a dipshit about a game you've never played. Motherfuckers.

Japan is the best country in the world. Unlike Amerikkka, they have spicy Ramen. And considering that I'm a foreigner, they'll treat me like an idol and tend to my will while I watch raw anime because DUBS ARE EVIL. If I can't live in Japan, then I'll live in Europe. Both are better than that shithole Amerikkka because americans r fat and stupid.

Cartoons are for little kids and balding guys living in there moms basment. Anime is for grownup people like me!

NARUTO, INU YASHA AND BLEACH ARE MY FAVORITE ANIMES.
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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2008, 03:58:21 PM »
Led Zeppelin is the best band ever. My favorite song by them is Stairway to Heaven. I also like Queen (Bohomeian Rhapsody is the best song ever) and Pink Floyd (We don't need no Education is their best song).

System of a Down is the best band today. Dancing in the Desert and When Angels Die are awesome songs.

Carlos Mencia is the best comedian ever and I cannot wait to see him on Dancing with the Stars. Joe Rogan is a jealous asshole. Dave Chapelle was funny to. I wonder where he went.

I enjoy American Idol (I audition whenever it gets to my city), NASCAR (watching it right now), myspace (I have over 9000 friends on there and I'm better than you because of it)and reading Youtube comments.

Catcher in the Rye is my favorite book.

Anime rulez.

X-box is the best video game system around. Luckily, my parents are buying me a PS3 AND a Wii.

I am an expert spawncamper and killer.

I love playing WoW and Yugioh.

Pokemon are for gay little kids.

Kingdom Hearts 2 is my favorite game in the Final Fantasy series. I love the gameplay and the plot is just plain amazing. Kingdom Hearts 2 was the real deal. You're just too much of a dipshit to know how to play it right. It was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had. Just because you're too low on the socio-economic ladder to afford great games shouldn't mean you should speak like a dipshit about a game you've never played. Motherfuckers.

Japan is the best country in the world. Unlike Amerikkka, they have spicy Ramen. And considering that I'm a foreigner, they'll treat me like an idol and tend to my will while I watch raw anime because DUBS ARE EVIL. If I can't live in Japan, then I'll live in Europe. Both are better than that shithole Amerikkka because americans r fat and stupid.

Cartoons are for little kids and balding guys living in there moms basment. Anime is for grownup people like me!

NARUTO, INU YASHA AND BLEACH ARE MY FAVORITE ANIMES.

QFT

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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2008, 12:49:20 PM »
Quote from: gking92
We do not have to be perfect to be in the presence of God, because the Bible tells us only God is perfect.

I do not concur.

I believe that those who do enter the presence of God are first perfected by God in order to be able to be in his presence.  God became man in order that man may become God.  Salvation necessarily involves deification.  importantly, do understand that I am distinguishing the essence of God from the grace of God.  The essence of God is unknowable both in this life and in the next.  The ultimate goal of Christian salvation is deification which means uniting with the grace of God.  The definition of the Grace of God is uncreated energy.  Only God is uncreated.  Therefore, it is right to think of Grace (i.e. uncreated energy) and God as One and the same. 

The deification of man for his salvation is the main purpose of the economy or mission of Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ has two natures - a God nature and a man nature.  When the Word of God took on human flesh from Mary and became the Christ, His flesh was deified by His God nature and according to this principle will those who follow Him in spirit be deified and thus saved.  The Kingdom of Heaven is within.  Through struggle to perfection in this life is one made internally fit for entrance into the third heaven above after one's death. 

There is an acount of an out of body experience (I believe it exists on the internet) of a baptized Russian agnostic (about AD 1900) who fell sick and died at a fairly young age.  After exiting his body at the hospital, he was seized by two angels who brought him up eastwards in the air a great distance.  Finally they came to an otherwordly light which made no shadow such that even closing his eyes made no difference as even eyelids left no shadow to this light.  It was unbearable for him and he thought the torments of hell would be less horrible than this light.  A voice came from the light and said "Not Ready" at which moment the angels turned around and brought him back all the way to his dead body back on earth when the one which he for some reason instinctively recognized as his guardian angel said "Have you not heard the words of God?  Enter in and prepare yourself."  And the two angels immediately vanished and to his revulsion he felt himself being sucked back in to his old body.

Led Zeppelin is the best band ever. My favorite song by them is Stairway to Heaven. I also like Queen (Bohomeian Rhapsody is the best song ever) and Pink Floyd (We don't need no Education is their best song).

System of a Down is the best band today. Dancing in the Desert and When Angels Die are awesome songs.

Carlos Mencia is the best comedian ever and I cannot wait to see him on Dancing with the Stars. Joe Rogan is a jealous asshole. Dave Chapelle was funny to. I wonder where he went.

I enjoy American Idol (I audition whenever it gets to my city), NASCAR (watching it right now), myspace (I have over 9000 friends on there and I'm better than you because of it)and reading Youtube comments.

Catcher in the Rye is my favorite book.

Anime rulez.

X-box is the best video game system around. Luckily, my parents are buying me a PS3 AND a Wii.

I am an expert spawncamper and killer.

I love playing WoW and Yugioh.

Pokemon are for gay little kids.

Kingdom Hearts 2 is my favorite game in the Final Fantasy series. I love the gameplay and the plot is just plain amazing. Kingdom Hearts 2 was the real deal. You're just too much of a dipshit to know how to play it right. It was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had. Just because you're too low on the socio-economic ladder to afford great games shouldn't mean you should speak like a dipshit about a game you've never played. Motherfuckers.

Japan is the best country in the world. Unlike Amerikkka, they have spicy Ramen. And considering that I'm a foreigner, they'll treat me like an idol and tend to my will while I watch raw anime because DUBS ARE EVIL. If I can't live in Japan, then I'll live in Europe. Both are better than that shithole Amerikkka because americans r fat and stupid.

Cartoons are for little kids and balding guys living in there moms basment. Anime is for grownup people like me!

NARUTO, INU YASHA AND BLEACH ARE MY FAVORITE ANIMES.

When i started to read this I almost got trolled. Then I realized you posted it and laughed. lol.

Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2008, 03:12:32 PM »
 Elder Jeffrey R. Holland: Scripture without end the bible - 178 General Conference

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A wonderful recount of the need for modern revelation. We need guidance today to help us understand the teachings of Christ and the way home to our Father in Heaven.

Edit by Mullenite: Here are the links to Elder Holland's talk





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Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2008, 05:39:13 PM »
Led Zeppelin is the best band ever. My favorite song by them is Stairway to Heaven. I also like Queen (Bohomeian Rhapsody is the best song ever) and Pink Floyd (We don't need no Education is their best song).

System of a Down is the best band today. Dancing in the Desert and When Angels Die are awesome songs.

Carlos Mencia is the best comedian ever and I cannot wait to see him on Dancing with the Stars. Joe Rogan is a jealous asshole. Dave Chapelle was funny to. I wonder where he went.

I enjoy American Idol (I audition whenever it gets to my city), NASCAR (watching it right now), myspace (I have over 9000 friends on there and I'm better than you because of it)and reading Youtube comments.

Catcher in the Rye is my favorite book.

Anime rulez.

X-box is the best video game system around. Luckily, my parents are buying me a PS3 AND a Wii.

I am an expert spawncamper and killer.

I love playing WoW and Yugioh.

Pokemon are for gay little kids.

Kingdom Hearts 2 is my favorite game in the Final Fantasy series. I love the gameplay and the plot is just plain amazing. Kingdom Hearts 2 was the real deal. You're just too much of a dipshit to know how to play it right. It was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had. Just because you're too low on the socio-economic ladder to afford great games shouldn't mean you should speak like a dipshit about a game you've never played. Motherfuckers.

Japan is the best country in the world. Unlike Amerikkka, they have spicy Ramen. And considering that I'm a foreigner, they'll treat me like an idol and tend to my will while I watch raw anime because DUBS ARE EVIL. If I can't live in Japan, then I'll live in Europe. Both are better than that shithole Amerikkka because americans r fat and stupid.

Cartoons are for little kids and balding guys living in there moms basment. Anime is for grownup people like me!

NARUTO, INU YASHA AND BLEACH ARE MY FAVORITE ANIMES.


I lol'd.

Re: What is the Plan of Salvation?
« Reply #72 on: May 21, 2008, 01:55:26 AM »
Apocalypse of the Six Faced Gods

When the heavens fall upon the earth
Man’s leaders will mutter
Man’s leaders will splutter
For the rain reign of embers
The gods did cause

Man’s wisdom had faded
His eye degraded
For the land was sided six
Earth, fire, water a mix

Man ranted, shouted, bickered and whined
The land was round the land was mine
But the gods saw the truth
And called upon man’s youth

But were fools, arrogant and childish
Believing the world to be dish
Gods burn them one and all
When the embers fall

So the gods descended
Maimed burned and rended
Rocks of flame fell from the sky
So that mans folly would die

But one child did stand alone
Discard his mobile phone
He would be no longer deceive
He was the first one the believe

The gods spared him and his brothers
And their wives, now mothers
Who would teach the cube to every cradle
And to every sane man able

Seek the truth and be spared
For apocalypse be prepared
The cube is truth the cube is true

See through the chaos and deception, seek the clarity of the cube.