where is the south celestial pole located?

So... um... maybe I'm thick. 

Below are the two images I have: First, what I've always believed FE to believe.  Second is the only way I could see the south pole being "underneath" the north pole.  What do I have wrong?

The bottom picture of yours is correct.  Well, the poles are wrong, but that's for another discussion...

The magnetic field lines exit the north pole and rejoin at the south pole.  The south pole in your top picture is simply the furthest outwards you can follow the field.  At the ice wall, the field would be vertical and would pass through the surface of the FE on its way to the other pole. 

The bottom picture of yours is correct.  Well, the poles are wrong, but that's for another discussion...

The magnetic field lines exit the north pole and rejoin at the south pole.  The south pole in your top picture is simply the furthest outwards you can follow the field.  At the ice wall, the field would be vertical and would pass through the surface of the FE on its way to the other pole. 

I never really thought much about it because Gulliver agreed with something said long ago about the field, but if we were to traverse the underside of the Earth, would going towards the middle mean you're heading south?

Yes.

The magnetic field doesn't just snapped opposites. It rotates!   
You have the end result, not the intermediate.

Oh!  So they're BOTH right? 

Does the magnetic field go around the FE in a spherical shape?

THAT would be ironic, wouldn't it, Engy?   

The magnetic field doesn't just snapped opposites. It rotates!   

What?

Oh!  So they're BOTH right? 

Does the magnetic field go around the FE in a spherical shape?

THAT would be ironic, wouldn't it, Engy?   

Yes.
Yes.
I suppose.

So, is this a new page in FE theory, or is it an older theory I've never heard before?

(It's kinda hard to keep track.   )

It's in the FAQ.

Q: "How can a compass work on a Flat Earth?"

A: The magnetic field is generated in the same fashion as with the RE.  Thus, the magnetic south pole is near the geographic north pole, just like on the RE.  The magnetic north pole is on the underside of the Earth.  The Ice Wall is not the south pole, but acts as it, as it is the furthest from the center of the earth that you can follow the magnetic field.  The field is vertical in this area, accounting for the aurora australis.

Um... This doesn't even make sense to me.  Magnetic south is geographic north and magnetic north is under the earth??  Wha....  Engy, are you sure that's right?  I'm confused again.   

Common convention is that magnetic north is near geographic north, and magnetic south is near geographic south.  However, this is incorrect, as can be seen by simply using a compass.  The north ends repel, so the north end of the compass points to the magnetic south pole.  Magnetic fields are vectors and thus have direction, so it does matter which is which.

Common convention is that magnetic north is near geographic north, and magnetic south is near geographic south.  However, this is incorrect, as can be seen by simply using a compass.  The north ends repel, so the north end of the compass points to the magnetic south pole.  Magnetic fields are vectors and thus have direction, so it does matter which is which.

That's doesn't, right?


So... The terms don't really matter, they're just names?  We could just lable the north end of a compass "south," and that would basically be correct, right?  As far as magnetic poles are concerned, that is?

It does matter, as magnetic fields are vectors, and as such, have direction.  Flipping the direction will result in changing the sense of the other vectors that are orthogonal to it.

It does matter, as magnetic fields are vectors, and as such, have direction.  Flipping the direction will result in changing the sense of the other vectors that are orthogonal to it.

Engy, what I was saying though, is if we CALLED the North magnetic (south geographical) pole "South" and the South magnetic (north geographical) pole "North," it's just the same, names don't mean anything.  Is that true? 

(I'm trying to get my brain around it.)

Engy, what I was saying though, is if we CALLED the North magnetic (south geographical) pole "South" and the South magnetic (north geographical) pole "North," it's just the same, names don't mean anything.  Is that true? 

Yes, that is true.  However, it is defined that the magnetic field emanates from the north end and returns at the south end.  But the opposite could have been chosen.  If you pick one orientation, you must maintain that orientation or your vectors will be meaningless.

Okay, got it.  Thank you!   

Quote from: Yiak on November 14, 2007, 09:37:41 PM

The magnetic field doesn't just snapped opposites. It rotates!   

What?

I think he is referring to the between state for the rotating poles. Like flipping a quarter doesn't 'snap' from heads to tails but rotates. Still, quotes would be nice Yiak. I was lost at first too.

Quote from: TheEngineer on November 14, 2007, 09:09:44 AM

Quote from: eric bloedow on November 14, 2007, 08:25:34 AM

BTW, the earth's MAGNETIC poles, which compasses use, are not in the same spot. in fact, they slowly MOVE, according to this article:

And?

As for my train of thought.
A magnetic pole that shifts polarity implies this to this:

    /------\     /------\
 S________NP________S


\    /------\      /------\                           
 SS________NP________

NP = North pole
S = South

Whichever part of the ice wall the magnetic south pole is on it would need to jump around...
Since the shift has reversed the poles before, the center of your FE used to have the NP on the edge.

It still doesn't make sense.

The poles rotate around Earth. At one point on RE the North pole was jutting out of the equator. This doesn't make sense to me on FE. 

I don't see why.

Then whats your explanation for the poles switching sides over and over? Not that the rotate but that they just completely inverse in polarity?

<sarcasm> ...I had a refrigerator magnet do that once.  </sarcasm>

The poles switch sides over and over? What?

Then whats your explanation for the poles switching sides over and over? Not that the rotate but that they just completely inverse in polarity?

Chaotic environment in the geomagnetic kinematic dynamo system.

Quote from: L0gic on November 20, 2007, 10:35:13 AM

Then whats your explanation for the poles switching sides over and over? Not that the rotate but that they just completely inverse in polarity?

Chaotic environment in the geomagnetic kinematic dynamo system.

Has this been covered before? or could you elaborate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory

As for how it relates to FET, I'm not sure if TE would explain it; cause I sure as hell have no idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory

As for how it relates to FET, I'm not sure if TE would explain it; cause I sure as hell have no idea.

Yes, I too am in uncharted territory. But my immediate research has yet to mention poles that reverse. I see magnetic field expansion...

In any case, I would like to know more TheEngineer. 

Perhaps I misinterpreted sayings like "the magnetic field spontaneously flips over into the opposite orientation" when I was young and I associated this with the migration of the poles. I know too little at the moment to debate this further.