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No historical evidence
« on: April 28, 2006, 05:52:55 AM »
I would like to add that there has never, not once, in the entirety of human civilization, been a recorded even of a person falling over the edge of the earth. That is at least 4000 years, probably more.

Now one arguement you might propose is:

"Well that's because if you fell off, you couldn't tell anyone now could you?"

Maybe so. But in order to fall off, you need to first scale this supposed 150ft ice wall. To do that you would certainly need the help of one or more persons, not to mention the effort to get to this ice wall. So even though the person that actually went over could not tell of his fate, there would be at least one witness who could. Yet, with the exception of myths and fictional stories, there are NO historical accounts of this happening, ever.

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kaleotter

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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2006, 06:54:01 AM »
well, as some would argue on this forum "that just shows how our non-provable conspiracy has always been around, obviously no one has been there because tribes of practically pre literate people have always been aiming to destroy any notion of a flat earth"

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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2006, 07:14:52 AM »
course no one fell off, the south pole has been traveled to and then returned.
i]On this issue -- my default assumption is that all members of this forum are male.  I usually expect women to have more sense than to waste their time arguing trivialities over the internet.
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joffenz

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2006, 08:01:31 AM »
You're assuming that the people who got to the ice wall made it back safely, and you're assuming that they were believed when they arrived home.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2006, 11:39:35 AM »
Never once, in the 4000 year recorded history of the world, has someone been to the center of the earth and back. The earth is obviously hollow.

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2006, 12:47:45 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
Never once, in the 4000 year recorded history of the world, has someone been to the center of the earth and back. The earth is obviously hollow.


apples and oranges.

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2006, 01:21:00 PM »
Quote from: "troubadour"
I would like to add that there has never, not once, in the entirety of human civilization, been a recorded even of a person falling over the edge of the earth. That is at least 4000 years, probably more.


It would be very difficult for you to prove that, right?  I mean, how are you to say what has and hasn't been recorded unless you're omniscient?  Are you omniscient?  Or have we just never found the "recorded event" of a person falling over the edge?  Furthermore, if somebody had gone to the edge of the earth, peered over, and fallen off, something tells me they wouldn't be able to record the event and bring it back north to the continents where we'd find it.

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"Well that's because if you fell off, you couldn't tell anyone now could you?"


Yep.

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Maybe so. But in order to fall off, you need to first scale this supposed 150ft ice wall. To do that you would certainly need the help of one or more persons, not to mention the effort to get to this ice wall. So even though the person that actually went over could not tell of his fate, there would be at least one witness who could. Yet, with the exception of myths and fictional stories, there are NO historical accounts of this happening, ever.


I'm beginning to think that you try to make arguments based on huge assumptions, which makes your argument invalid.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2006, 01:32:56 PM »
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I'm beginning to think that you try to make arguments based on huge assumptions, which makes your argument invalid.


Claiming that the earth is indeed flat and not a sphere, going against all modern science and scientific evidence and observations, not to mention the pictures of the earth from so many different sources that all show the earth as a sphere(which are conviently passed off as fakes, without a shread of evidence why).

And I'M the one making huge assumptions?

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Erasmus

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2006, 02:18:37 PM »
First of all, I'd be really surprised if there weren't myths and legends about people falling off the edge of the world.  The reason we call these things myths and legends, of course, is because we don't believe that to be possible.

Second, for there to be an historical record, not only would you have had to brave the dangerous journey to the ice wall, you'd have to brave it again on the way back.  I hardly think that people were in a position to do that four thousand years ago.  According to REers, Antartica was reached just over a century ago.

Lastly, if everybody in the world believes the world to be round, and somebody comes up to an RE journalist and says, "My buddy just fell over the edge of the world!!"  I really doubt that they'd be all like, "Stop the presses!  Controversial new evidence found!"  Unless we're talking about the Weekly World News or some other equally reputable source.

So yeah -- the no-historical-record attack is pretty weak.

-Erasmus
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2006, 02:38:09 PM »
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First of all, I'd be really surprised if there weren't myths and legends about people falling off the edge of the world.  The reason we call these things myths and legends, of course, is because we don't believe that to be possible.

Second, for there to be an historical record, not only would you have had to brave the dangerous journey to the ice wall, you'd have to brave it again on the way back.  I hardly think that people were in a position to do that four thousand years ago.  According to REers, Antartica was reached just over a century ago.

Lastly, if everybody in the world believes the world to be round, and somebody comes up to an RE journalist and says, "My buddy just fell over the edge of the world!!"  I really doubt that they'd be all like, "Stop the presses!  Controversial new evidence found!"  Unless we're talking about the Weekly World News or some other equally reputable source.

So yeah -- the no-historical-record attack is pretty weak.

-Erasmus


What about in the last 200 years then? I simply used the 4000 year figure because it's big. I know that ancient civilizations simply did not possess the technoloy for open-sea travel. But in the last 100 years even? As a historian, I can tell you without a doubt, there are no creditible accounts of a person being observed climbing up an icewall and falling off the edge of the earth. As a scientific enthusist I can tell you that is true because it's round.

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Erasmus

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2006, 03:54:22 PM »
Quote from: "troubadour"
What about in the last 200 years then?


What about

Quote from: "Erasmus"
Lastly, if everybody in the world believes the world to be round, and somebody comes up to an RE journalist and says, "My buddy just fell over the edge of the world!!"  I really doubt that they'd be all like, "Stop the presses!  Controversial new evidence found!"  Unless we're talking about the Weekly World News or some other equally reputable source.


then?

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2006, 04:28:23 PM »
Last 200 years? Okay, before we argue this... I want you to get me a list of all the people who have gone from one end of antarctica to the opposite side by crossing the south pole. We will look at ONLY the acounts of those who have been to the antarctic, and then continue...

In 3900 years prior to this century, nobody had seenaCeolecanth... Then they caught one off the coast of Madagascar.


And by your logic, doesn't this meanthat the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot,and the Chupacabra definitely exist?

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2006, 04:38:45 PM »
Quote from: "Four Fifths"
Last 200 years? Okay, before we argue this... I want you to get me a list of all the people who have gone from one end of antarctica to the opposite side by crossing the south pole. We will look at ONLY the acounts of those who have been to the antarctic, and then continue...

And by your logic, doesn't this meanthat the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot,and the Chupacabra definitely exist?


It is unclear to me whom you are addressing in this post.

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2006, 11:47:53 PM »
Actually, Four Fifths, Coelacanths (which you spelled incorrectly) were "seen 3900 years prior to this century," by numerous locals who fished off of the Comorian islands (they just incidentally never realized the significance of their catch).  But certainly anyone who every happened to "see the end of the earth" would not make such a mistake.

And the Coelacanths were "discovered" by western civilization in 1938, not really "just caught."

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2006, 10:38:22 AM »
well said. but somehow withthere icewall crap they managed a way around that
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