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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #270 on: November 20, 2007, 02:29:09 PM »
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Quote from: SparteX on November 20, 2007, 01:55:29 PM
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Nobody said the sun was a disk.  Even Tom said in a post earlier in this thread that it's a sphere.  ::)

If it's a sphere, than it cannot act light a spotlight. A spherical sun has an entire surface to emit light from, which it does.

The fact that it acts like a spotlight has nothing to do with its shape.  It is because of the density of the atmosphere.  Up in space it is emitting light in all directions, like a sphere.  On earth the atmosphere is limiting the amount of light that reaches beyond a certain point, causing it to act like a spotlight.

That's not a spotlight... That's a filter. A spotlight concentrates all light upon a selected area.

Saying that the sun's light gets weaker and weaker the further away you get from it has to do with light intensity. And you know the light from the sun is intense enough to create a sharp shadow in the winter, when it's the farthest away from you. So how can the light dissapte during the night time? It's a physical improbability, or you don't know anything about fotons and light emission.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #271 on: November 20, 2007, 02:32:31 PM »
I know how to spell photon.  Does that put me ahead of you?  ???

"Spotlight" was just a metaphor for how the sun acts.  Maybe it wasn't the perfect one but for the most part it fits.

I didn't say the sun's light gets weaker and weaker the further away you get from it.  It's not the light itself causing the effect, it's the atmosphere.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #272 on: November 20, 2007, 02:42:03 PM »
Quote from: Thus Spake Roundy on November 20, 2007, 02:32:31 PM
I know how to spell photon.  Does that put me ahead of you?  ???

"Spotlight" was just a metaphor for how the sun acts.  Maybe it wasn't the perfect one but for the most part it fits.

I didn't say the sun's light gets weaker and weaker the further away you get from it.  It's not the light itself causing the effect, it's the atmosphere.

I don't have English as a native tongue. Big deal. The fact that I can argue with you and are able to understand you, does that put me ahead of you? Also, the fact that you'd compare intelligence on the ground of spelling is just ridiculous.

Well you might not have said it, but it has to be so in order for your theory to be correct. Light loses its intensity when it travels through a more dense medium, like an atmosphere. If you'd look at the sun outside of the atmosphere you'll go blind. On Earth your eyes would hurt. But in order to have a dark night on one side of the earth would require a very weak sun or a much larger distance... or heck, why not a round earth that can actually obscure the sun itself?!

If I had an intense lightsource on a plain with an atmosphere, and you'd stand about 27000 miles way, you'd still be able to see light of that source. There are loads of formulae to prove this.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #273 on: November 20, 2007, 02:44:07 PM »
Quote from: Thus Spake Roundy on November 20, 2007, 02:32:31 PM
I know how to spell photon.  Does that put me ahead of you?  ???

"Spotlight" was just a metaphor for how the sun acts.  Maybe it wasn't the perfect one but for the most part it fits.

I didn't say the sun's light gets weaker and weaker the further away you get from it.  It's not the light itself causing the effect, it's the atmosphere.
Light travels much faster than lets say, radio waves, radio waves if not blocked by a solid object on FE would reach one end of earth to the other. So how come the the light is blocked so greately by the atmosphere as to change colour towards "sunset" and blocked completely at night?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #274 on: November 20, 2007, 02:46:39 PM »
Because of the density of the atmosphere.  Obviously it has a greater effect than supposed by RE science, probably because they felt the effect was adequately explained by the rotation of the round earth and just never questioned it (getting caught in the dogma of a round earth world view).
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #275 on: November 20, 2007, 02:49:00 PM »
Quote from: Thus Spake Roundy on November 20, 2007, 02:46:39 PM
Because of the density of the atmosphere.  Obviously it has a greater effect than supposed by RE science, probably because they felt the effect was adequately explained by the rotation of the round earth and just never questioned it (getting caught in the dogma of a round earth world view).

That, my friend, is called scoptoma: the mind sees what it chooses to see.

Read my previous post, or I can find some formulae concerning light intensity.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #276 on: November 20, 2007, 02:52:06 PM »
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Because of the density of the atmosphere.  Obviously it has a greater effect than supposed by RE science, probably because they felt the effect was adequately explained by the rotation of the round earth and just never questioned it (getting caught in the dogma of a round earth world view).

That, my friend, is called scoptoma: the mind sees what it chooses to see.


Well, at least we agree about something.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #277 on: November 20, 2007, 02:55:55 PM »
Quote from: Gigano on November 20, 2007, 02:49:00 PM

Read my previous post, or I can find some formulae concerning light intensity.

I see what you're saying there but the fact is that since we've never been able to study the sun first-hand it's difficult to say what forces might be at work there.  And as I stated in the previous post it is my opinion that the density of the atmosphere has a greater effect than is supposed by RE scientists.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #278 on: November 20, 2007, 03:09:03 PM »
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Read my previous post, or I can find some formulae concerning light intensity.

I see what you're saying there but the fact is that since we've never been able to study the sun first-hand it's difficult to say what forces might be at work there.  And as I stated in the previous post it is my opinion that the density of the atmosphere has a greater effect than is supposed by RE scientists.

We know how the sun works. It's common knowledge. Google it, and find some accurate litterature.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #279 on: November 20, 2007, 03:12:59 PM »
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Read my previous post, or I can find some formulae concerning light intensity.

I see what you're saying there but the fact is that since we've never been able to study the sun first-hand it's difficult to say what forces might be at work there.  And as I stated in the previous post it is my opinion that the density of the atmosphere has a greater effect than is supposed by RE scientists.

We know how the sun works. It's common knowledge. Google it, and find some accurate litterature.

We can only theorize about how the sun works based on our observations.  Since we've never literally been there we can't know for sure.  REers take the fact that the earth is round and the sun is 93 million miles away for granted when explaining their observations.  If this is wrong it throws everything out of whack.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #280 on: November 20, 2007, 03:20:11 PM »
Quote from: Thus Spake Roundy on November 20, 2007, 03:12:59 PM
We can only theorize about how the sun works based on our observations.  Since we've never literally been there we can't know for sure.  REers take the fact that the earth is round and the sun is 93 million miles away for granted when explaining their observations.  If this is wrong it throws everything out of whack.

You can't simply say that all the observations made my other astronomers, like Eratosthenes (who calculated the circumference of the earth, which was about accurate, years before NASA), are simply flawed because of some unsupported government plot with absolutely no observable purpose at all.

If they spend billions of dollars in creating advanced photo imagry then how do they make money of of it?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #281 on: November 20, 2007, 03:20:37 PM »
Quote from: Thus Spake Roundy on November 20, 2007, 03:12:59 PM
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Read my previous post, or I can find some formulae concerning light intensity.

I see what you're saying there but the fact is that since we've never been able to study the sun first-hand it's difficult to say what forces might be at work there.  And as I stated in the previous post it is my opinion that the density of the atmosphere has a greater effect than is supposed by RE scientists.

We know how the sun works. It's common knowledge. Google it, and find some accurate litterature.

We can only theorize about how the sun works based on our observations.  Since we've never literally been there we can't know for sure.  REers take the fact that the earth is round and the sun is 93 million miles away for granted when explaining their observations.  If this is wrong it throws everything out of whack.
Considering nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms has been done using 12 high powered lasers concentrated on one spot, which resulted in a massive energy output i'd say it's more than just observation, rather an experiment which worked in exactly the same way the sun does.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #282 on: November 20, 2007, 03:22:36 PM »
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Read my previous post, or I can find some formulae concerning light intensity.

I see what you're saying there but the fact is that since we've never been able to study the sun first-hand it's difficult to say what forces might be at work there.  And as I stated in the previous post it is my opinion that the density of the atmosphere has a greater effect than is supposed by RE scientists.

We know how the sun works. It's common knowledge. Google it, and find some accurate litterature.

We can only theorize about how the sun works based on our observations.  Since we've never literally been there we can't know for sure.  REers take the fact that the earth is round and the sun is 93 million miles away for granted when explaining their observations.  If this is wrong it throws everything out of whack.
Considering nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms has been done using 12 high powered lasers concentrated on one spot, which resulted in a massive energy output i'd say it's more than just observation, rather an experiment which worked in exactly the same way the sun does.

So because of small-scale experiments performed on earth we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt how something way out in space that is much, much more massive would react with absolute certainty?  I don't believe that.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #283 on: November 20, 2007, 03:23:13 PM »
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Quote from: Gigano on November 20, 2007, 02:49:00 PM

Read my previous post, or I can find some formulae concerning light intensity.

I see what you're saying there but the fact is that since we've never been able to study the sun first-hand it's difficult to say what forces might be at work there.  And as I stated in the previous post it is my opinion that the density of the atmosphere has a greater effect than is supposed by RE scientists.

We know how the sun works. It's common knowledge. Google it, and find some accurate litterature.

We can only theorize about how the sun works based on our observations.  Since we've never literally been there we can't know for sure.  REers take the fact that the earth is round and the sun is 93 million miles away for granted when explaining their observations.  If this is wrong it throws everything out of whack.
Considering nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms has been done using 12 high powered lasers concentrated on one spot, which resulted in a massive energy output i'd say it's more than just observation, rather an experiment which worked in exactly the same way the sun does.

So because of small-scale experiments performed on earth we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt how something way out in space that is much, much more massive would react with absolute certainty?  I don't believe that.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #284 on: November 20, 2007, 03:25:15 PM »
Quote from: Thus Spake Roundy on November 20, 2007, 03:22:36 PM
So because of small-scale experiments performed on earth we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt how something way out in space that is much, much more massive would react with absolute certainty?  I don't believe that.

I know you're an evolutionist. Do you know of the Miller experiment? It proved that organic substances can be created using static electricity and non organic substances. It's a small scale model of the primordial soup. I bet you support that experiment.

If you do, then you're a hypocrite.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #285 on: November 20, 2007, 03:30:22 PM »
Why?  Were the results not seen first-hand in a legitimate laboratory setting?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #286 on: November 20, 2007, 03:33:01 PM »
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Why?  Were the results not seen first-hand in a legitimate laboratory setting?

So you do believe an evolution based experiment, but recreating the situation of the sun would be bullshit?

That's why you're a hypocrite. The experiments are both small scaled, why believe only one of them.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #287 on: November 20, 2007, 03:39:23 PM »
Quote from: SparteX on November 20, 2007, 02:44:07 PM
Light travels much faster than lets say, radio waves
Wait, wait, hold on.  What?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #288 on: November 20, 2007, 03:40:29 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 20, 2007, 03:39:23 PM
Quote from: SparteX on November 20, 2007, 02:44:07 PM
Light travels much faster than lets say, radio waves
Wait, wait, hold on.  What?

Another question, does it never end?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #289 on: November 20, 2007, 03:45:05 PM »
Quote from: Gigano on November 20, 2007, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: Thus Spake Roundy on November 20, 2007, 03:30:22 PM
Why?  Were the results not seen first-hand in a legitimate laboratory setting?

So you do believe an evolution based experiment, but recreating the situation of the sun would be bullshit?

That's why you're a hypocrite. The experiments are both small scaled, why believe only one of them.

No, I think the experiment pretty much duplicated conditions exactly as they are thought to have been when life was created.  They did the experiment and got organic compounds.  While it doesn't necessarily prove the truth of evolution it does explain how it could have started.  You're really comparing apples and oranges here.  Or do you think life was created on a significantly large scale all at once?  ???

Now, when an experiment is performed on a 30-mile (much, much bigger if you want to take the RE side) wide ball of fire let me know.

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Light travels much faster than lets say, radio waves
Wait, wait, hold on.  What?
Heh heh, didn't even pick that up.  ;D
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #290 on: November 20, 2007, 03:50:04 PM »
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I know how to spell photon.  Does that put me ahead of you?  ???

"Spotlight" was just a metaphor for how the sun acts.  Maybe it wasn't the perfect one but for the most part it fits.

I didn't say the sun's light gets weaker and weaker the further away you get from it.  It's not the light itself causing the effect, it's the atmosphere.
Light travels much faster than lets say, radio waves, radio waves if not blocked by a solid object on FE would reach one end of earth to the other. So how come the the light is blocked so greately by the atmosphere as to change colour towards "sunset" and blocked completely at night?

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #291 on: November 20, 2007, 03:50:12 PM »
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Light travels much faster than lets say, radio waves
Wait, wait, hold on.  What?

Another question, does it never end?
Does what ever end?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #292 on: November 20, 2007, 03:51:56 PM »
Apparently light travels faster than radio waves now...
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #293 on: November 20, 2007, 03:56:19 PM »
Quote from: Agent Z on November 20, 2007, 03:51:56 PM
Apparently light travels faster than radio waves now...
Grats RE
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #294 on: November 20, 2007, 03:57:30 PM »
We are obviously outwitted here.  Apparently they know laws of physics that reputable physicists don't know about!  :o
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« Reply #296 on: November 20, 2007, 04:16:15 PM »
Quote from: Thus Spake Roundy on November 20, 2007, 03:57:30 PM
We are obviously outwitted here.  Apparently they know laws of physics that reputable physicists don't know about!  :o

Yeah, I need to find this magical book that tells us light is faster than radio waves.
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« Reply #297 on: November 20, 2007, 05:36:52 PM »
ok, what's the FE explanation for sunspots, solar promenences, etc, all of which can be observed with simple equipment?
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« Reply #298 on: November 20, 2007, 05:38:23 PM »
Dark Energy Fluctuations.
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« Reply #299 on: November 20, 2007, 05:39:16 PM »
Quote from: Agent Z on November 20, 2007, 05:38:23 PM
Dark Energy Fluctuations.

lol. You crack me up.  ;D
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