The FE sun is impossible

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #240 on: November 14, 2007, 03:49:12 AM »
So you are saying you are right, because you believe in gravity, and Einstein is wrong because you said so?

And this somehow makes you correct?


I don't think you are an idiot.  I think its just a matter of ignorance.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #241 on: November 14, 2007, 12:59:19 PM »
So... any takers? The premise of the thread kinda got lost.
Tom Bishop among others have fallen back on the support of FE writers to help explain phenomenons. However, supporting these "Sacred Texts" http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za02.htm means that I can attack them directly and save time.

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I am curious how the sunsets can be explained as "too far to see" or an "optical illusion"

Explained in Chapter 9 of the book Earth Not a Globe:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za27.htm

It states that the sun which supposedly moves parallel to the surface of the Earth in a circle, appears to set because a distancing object will do such as a law of perspective. This would require the velocity of the sun to dramatically increase in speed the closer to the horizon it is in order to look as if it were in fact setting. Moving straight at a constant speed would make it look slower the further away it is.

Just to indulge this little overlooked implication, people the sun is passing over don't notice the sun speeding up but in fact see the opposite: slowing down on this straight line. The only explanation is that the sun actually sets. Besides, if the sun was that small, going such a distance would make it appear to shrink.

I also would like to mention for the Flat Sun theorists, a circle viewed at an angle looks like an oval. If you don't believe me, draw a circle on a peice of paper and tilt it. Ooooh! Its an ellipse now!

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Also, the shape of the sun and moon should appear to change as they move over the FE.

The sun is a sphere. Its light is limited to a spotlight.

Ummm... Dude, light is how we SEE stuff. If the sun was spherical but only emits light like a spot light, than we would still see the oval effect.

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Basically, earthlings would be able to see the sun from anywhere on a flat earth.. even if the sun wasn't shinning directly on them.

The sun is very small and very close to the earth. This allows the sun to only light one section of the world at a time.

Which is why moving that far towards the horizon would make it appear to shrink massively. Only a very large object would appear to remain constant when moving that far away.

These issues were not covered in your "sacred texts".  ::)
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #242 on: November 15, 2007, 02:26:20 PM »
Wow, that shut the FE'ers up... 
I was kind of hoping for an attempt at the least. :(
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #243 on: November 15, 2007, 02:39:02 PM »
The premise of the topic is immediately ridiculous, so what's the point?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #244 on: November 15, 2007, 02:44:29 PM »
The premise of the topic is immediately ridiculous, so what's the point?

I fail to see how you support your claim. I could just as easily say the premise of FE is ridiculous. Please explain.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #245 on: November 15, 2007, 02:46:13 PM »
It's already been explained.  To say anything is impossible is preposterous.  Divito expressed it pretty well.  And that's really all I have to say here.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #246 on: November 15, 2007, 02:49:58 PM »
It's already been explained.  To say anything is impossible is preposterous.  Divito expressed it pretty well.  And that's really all I have to say here.

True.

My thoughts are that we also discussed that "impossible" is more of a rounding of extremely improbable. I don't think the observations and calculations made should be considered invalid due to the name of the thread.

lol. But I can always copy it into a new one labeled the FE sun is improbable...  ;D
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #247 on: November 15, 2007, 06:23:18 PM »
i don't understand relativity, but i still believe in gravity.
I'm an idiot.

But at least i'm correct.
I don't have any evidence, but I still believe in vampires.
I'm a moron.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #248 on: November 15, 2007, 06:33:58 PM »
i don't understand relativity, but i still believe in gravity.
I'm an idiot.

But at least i'm correct.

I think you've misread some things. Although sometimes misstated on the forum, most people here "believe" that gravity does not exist *as a force* - not that it just doesn't exist at all. General Relativity actually describes Gravity in and of itself... Newtonian theory  counts on mass whereas General Relativity accounts for curvatures in space time ALSO (it still includes the Newtonian theory by default because of mass having an effect). That's very simplified but accurate enough I think. Anyone is welcome to tidy it up, but don't go overboard - no need for equations and such for this.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #249 on: November 19, 2007, 01:16:45 PM »
I bumped it for your convenience TB. See 1st post on page 1 for content of the actual thread...
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #250 on: November 19, 2007, 06:21:32 PM »
that reminds me of Sherlock Holmes: "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must contain the truth."

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #251 on: November 20, 2007, 04:36:47 AM »
that reminds me of Sherlock Holmes: "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must contain the truth."
Ah, but RE isn't improbable.  ;)
Unless you weren't fitting the saying into the topic and merey stating it crossed your mind.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #252 on: November 20, 2007, 04:47:02 AM »
There are a lot of variables and consequences in the actions and movements of the Sun. Creating a simple and understandable idea about how it operates and appears the way it does would be rather difficult. I'm not surprised that a better explanation doesn't exist.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #253 on: November 20, 2007, 07:14:08 AM »
There are a lot of variables and consequences in the actions and movements of the Sun. Creating a simple and understandable idea about how it operates and appears the way it does would be rather difficult. I'm not surprised that a better explanation doesn't exist.

Your point? Mine is that way way way too much is unexplainable. It is that way because it is!  ::)

Round Earth Theory is much more graceful in its entirety. Simple motions by simple proven equations makes FET laughable at best.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #254 on: November 20, 2007, 09:23:41 AM »
And people have been formulating these conclusions and formulas on the basis of a spherical Earth for how long? How long or popular has FET been in attempting the same?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #255 on: November 20, 2007, 10:55:41 AM »
I see your point, but attraction between masses on earth is not dependent on RE nor FE. The formula then cannot be biased.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #256 on: November 20, 2007, 11:14:46 AM »
The formula under conditions apparent on Earth cannot be biased.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #257 on: November 20, 2007, 11:17:43 AM »
The formula under conditions apparent on Earth cannot be biased.
um... right. wait. what?  ???
Is that or is that not agreement with my conclusion?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #258 on: November 20, 2007, 11:19:37 AM »
Sorry, I was mixing the threads.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #259 on: November 20, 2007, 12:42:51 PM »
As we can see, the light from behind the glass is bent downwards as it passes through the thick medium of the water. While this is an extreme example, it shows that light is malleable, able to bend and conform based on existing conditions. When the light of the sun moves from the vacuum of space into the atmosphere of the earth all light rays except for rays which are vertical are gradually compelled downwards into the surface of the earth. The refractive index of air is a bit less than water, and so the effect will me more gradual, taking place over tens of thousands of miles instead of abruptly like the above image.

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Pointing out my clone's contradictions is like doing the same thing to the bible, it's too damn easy.

There is no contradiction. Flat Earth Theory holds that the sun  is a sphere which emits light in all directions. Due to Snell's Law the light of the sun is constrained to a large spotlight upon the earth.

Are you aware that refraction in air is hugely different from refraction in water? If you're not, then I suggest you read about breakings indeces. Furthermore, light hardly changes angle when entering Earth's atmosphere. You can calculate it if you want.

Here I'll do it for you:

The breakings index (n) of going from a vacuum to air is 1.00029. (that of water is about 1.330 - 1.341)

sin i/sin r = n



With i being the angle of the incident ray, and r being the angle of the refracted ray.

Say a ray of light enters at an angle of 20 degrees. Let's insert the number:

sin 20/sin r = 1.00029

sin r = 1,00029 * sin 20

sin r = 0.3421193292...

r = 20.00604776...

That's a 0.00604776 degrees of refraction... Hardly diverts a ray of light over 3000 miles by a whole centimeter.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #260 on: November 20, 2007, 01:55:29 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #261 on: November 20, 2007, 02:04:33 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Exactly. At least not in the way it's occuring in the sun which we know from radar images.

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« Reply #262 on: November 20, 2007, 02:05:49 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Exactly. At least not in the way it's occuring in the sun which we know from radar images.
Oh god don't say that they'll say radar is a conspiracy too

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #263 on: November 20, 2007, 02:07:42 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Exactly. At least not in the way it's occuring in the sun which we know from radar images.
Oh god don't say that they'll say radar is a conspiracy too

They probably will. It's NASA after all...

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #264 on: November 20, 2007, 02:13:12 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Nobody said the sun was a disk.  Even Tom said in a post earlier in this thread that it's a sphere.  ::)
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« Reply #265 on: November 20, 2007, 02:19:29 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Nobody said the sun was a disk.  Even Tom said in a post earlier in this thread that it's a sphere.  ::)

If it's a sphere, than it cannot act light a spotlight. A spherical sun has an entire surface to emit light from, which it does.

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« Reply #266 on: November 20, 2007, 02:20:46 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Nobody said the sun was a disk.  Even Tom said in a post earlier in this thread that it's a sphere.  ::)

If it's a sphere, than it cannot act light a spotlight. A spherical sun has an entire surface to emit light from, which it does.
Thank you, you beat me too it :P

To re enforce him, a spherical sun cannot be a spot light as energy is emitted in every direction. As fusion can only occur in spherical form due to the massive forces involved

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #267 on: November 20, 2007, 02:23:02 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Nobody said the sun was a disk.  Even Tom said in a post earlier in this thread that it's a sphere.  ::)

If it's a sphere, than it cannot act light a spotlight. A spherical sun has an entire surface to emit light from, which it does.

The fact that it acts like a spotlight has nothing to do with its shape.  It is because of the density of the atmosphere.  Up in space it is emitting light in all directions, like a sphere.  On earth the atmosphere is limiting the amount of light that reaches beyond a certain point, causing it to act like a spotlight.
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« Reply #268 on: November 20, 2007, 02:26:18 PM »
Not to mention nuclear fusion can't occurr in disk form  ::)

Nobody said the sun was a disk.  Even Tom said in a post earlier in this thread that it's a sphere.  ::)

If it's a sphere, than it cannot act light a spotlight. A spherical sun has an entire surface to emit light from, which it does.

The fact that it acts like a spotlight has nothing to do with its shape.  It is because of the density of the atmosphere.  Up in space it is emitting light in all directions, like a sphere.  On earth the atmosphere is limiting the amount of light that reaches beyond a certain point, causing it to act like a spotlight.
So why is it that a high powered laser can pin point the location of the centre of out galaxy traveling through the entire atmosphere, space, and countless nebulae far denser than earth's atmosphere. But a celestial body emitting titanic amounts of light energy can't even penetrate from one end of earth to the other?

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #269 on: November 20, 2007, 02:28:45 PM »
Because the density of the atmosphere is limited to, well, where the atmosphere is.  And it actually gets less dense the higher up you go.
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