The FE sun is impossible

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #90 on: October 31, 2007, 06:24:58 AM »
It's not your place to declare that, tbh. As much as I like seeing the FE community squirm, they have the right to put up their argument. In this case, an explanation of how the FE sun works, which is the topic of this thread.

There is no explanation, however. Tom Bishop will tell you "the exact mechanism is unknown"
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #91 on: October 31, 2007, 06:28:10 AM »
"Unknown" doesn't fly with me. There must be some actual theory, some idea put forward, especially for something as crucial as the sun.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #92 on: October 31, 2007, 06:39:47 AM »
"Unknown" doesn't fly with me. There must be some actual theory, some idea put forward, especially for something as crucial as the sun.

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The Earth is a cube. The exact science behind why it appears round, and the reason for the phenomena we see every day is unkown.

I was trying to find that quote from Tom Bishop that says, "the sun may as well be powered by coal"
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #93 on: October 31, 2007, 10:18:52 AM »
If you read logic boy's posts, wether or not the mechanism is known is only part of the problems he discussed in this thread. Billions of people have observed patterns of the sun the FET cannot explain. It's size and velocity would have to change as it moves away to maintain appearence. dee dee doo  :P
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #94 on: October 31, 2007, 11:35:18 AM »
Exactly, hence "The FE sun is impossible"
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #95 on: October 31, 2007, 01:26:45 PM »
I'm beginning to realize that victory for RE is impossible just like FE sun. FE'ers pretend not to see these posts even though they are bumped up to the top of the lists for many days. Congratulations l0gic, you scared them away.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #96 on: October 31, 2007, 01:39:07 PM »
I was trying to find that quote from Tom Bishop that says, "the sun may as well be powered by coal"

The sun is much closer to the earth than in the RE model. Hence it takes less energy to heat the earth. Due to its nearness, the sun may as well be powered by coal.
Aha! Found it.  ;D
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #97 on: October 31, 2007, 01:42:29 PM »
Lol. The sun powered by coal.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #98 on: October 31, 2007, 02:34:21 PM »
this FE theory just gets more and more ridiculous.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #99 on: November 01, 2007, 06:40:20 AM »
Bump to get an answer.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2007, 10:28:13 AM »
Trying to get a grasp on this whole sun having different orbits and all that. But if the earth was flat and it has dif. orbits. How come up here in alaska the weather can get into the 90 degree range with sun 24 hours a day vs. winter where it gets what -80 f. and no sun for most of the time? Does the spotlight operator not like us? Or is there not enough coal to keep us warm in the winter?  ;)

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #101 on: November 02, 2007, 11:32:26 AM »
The simple answer, alaska, is:
The whole FET regarding the FE sun is bizzare, complicated, unscientific and cannot work. You won't get an answer because FET does not have one.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #102 on: November 02, 2007, 01:18:32 PM »
The simple answer, alaska, is:
The whole FET regarding the FE sun is bizzare, complicated, unscientific and cannot work. You won't get an answer because FET does not have one.


I have yet to see a problem with the FE sun.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #103 on: November 02, 2007, 01:20:45 PM »
The simple answer, alaska, is:
The whole FET regarding the FE sun is bizzare, complicated, unscientific and cannot work. You won't get an answer because FET does not have one.


I have yet to see a problem with the FE sun.
You mean besides the whole thing? Yeah, same here.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2007, 01:28:14 PM »
The simple answer, alaska, is:
The whole FET regarding the FE sun is bizzare, complicated, unscientific and cannot work. You won't get an answer because FET does not have one.

I have yet to see a problem with the FE sun.

You couldn't see a sumo wrestler if he walked up and sat on your face.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #105 on: November 02, 2007, 02:42:03 PM »
Its due to aether.  Unless you have some kind of proof otherwise.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #106 on: November 02, 2007, 04:33:57 PM »
Do you have proof of aether?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #107 on: November 02, 2007, 08:51:52 PM »
Aether is a direct consequence of general relativity.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #108 on: November 03, 2007, 02:54:44 AM »
Proof? (Sorry, doing a TB here, basically the point is his idea "Why should I disprove it if you can't prove it")
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #109 on: November 03, 2007, 10:14:50 AM »
Well, I believe the experimental evidence for general relativity has been brought up here before.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #110 on: November 03, 2007, 04:00:15 PM »
I'm still not sure about what the aether is, is it the four(or more) dimensional construct (spacetime) which curves to produce gravitation? Or is it the proposed medium in which light is supposed to travel, or both, or what exactly?

Also, awaiting FE response as to exactly how the FE sun works. Even though one may never come, since the "La la la la la I'm not listeneing! No problem with the sun in FE la la la la la..." view seems to be being adopted.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #111 on: November 03, 2007, 04:25:21 PM »
The simple answer, alaska, is:
The whole FET regarding the FE sun is bizzare, complicated, unscientific and cannot work. You won't get an answer because FET does not have one.
I have yet to see a problem with the FE sun.

That's because:
1. You're too lazy to read
2. dumb as yogurt

Its due to aether.  Unless you have some kind of proof otherwise.

What's due to aether? All of the problems mentioned so far?
Your claim should be the one with proof. Contributions to a debate should be presented with reasons and evidence. Otherwise the Leprechaun Theory of Earth is as equally valid as your precious FE.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #112 on: November 03, 2007, 04:31:29 PM »
On a large scale, aether is what 'transfers information" for/of electromagnet, gravitational, and other fields in spacetime.  On the smaller scale, we see quantum foam and particals popping in and out, causing tiny "bubbles" or what not in these fields.  It likely has many other qualities.

The only reason aether is not favored is Occam's Razor, which actually does not apply but is used anyways.

It may or may not be luniferous, though my guess is that it is not.

My claim has proof.  Simply look at the work of Lorenz and the experiment proof for relativity.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #113 on: November 04, 2007, 03:20:32 AM »
Waht does luniferous mean?? I can't find a definiton, is it something to do with light?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #114 on: November 04, 2007, 08:32:04 AM »
you goofed, "username"! general Relativity also describes GRAVITY, so you can't say it AND "universal acceleration" are BOTH true!

besides, if the earth were flat with a close sun, there would NEVER BE NIGHT ANYWHERE!

oh, yeah, you have some weird answer for that...which ASSUMES the air is 10 times denser that every single scientist on earth has PROVEN it to be!

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #115 on: November 04, 2007, 09:24:06 AM »
you goofed, "username"! general Relativity also describes GRAVITY
General Relativity describes how gravity does not exist as a force.


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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #116 on: November 04, 2007, 10:16:51 AM »
you goofed, "username"! general Relativity also describes GRAVITY, so you can't say it AND "universal acceleration" are BOTH true!
Yes, I can say that actually.
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besides, if the earth were flat with a close sun, there would NEVER BE NIGHT ANYWHERE!
It has been shown elsewhere on this forum that this is not the case.
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oh, yeah, you have some weird answer for that...which ASSUMES the air is 10 times denser that every single scientist on earth has PROVEN it to be!
No, thats not why either.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #117 on: November 04, 2007, 12:30:09 PM »
As for Divito the fascist's post, I fail to see how the RE model defends the FE model...

I was just outlining that the sun doesn't "set;" it just ceases to be in view.
the "setting sun" is just a metaphor. it doesn't literally set, it just goes out of our view

Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #118 on: November 04, 2007, 12:31:16 PM »
The simple answer, alaska, is:
The whole FET regarding the FE sun is bizzare, complicated, unscientific and cannot work. You won't get an answer because FET does not have one.


I have yet to see a problem with the FE sun.
it shoulden't set if the earth is flat

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #119 on: November 04, 2007, 12:35:30 PM »
It sets due to Sun-aether refraction.
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