The FE sun is impossible

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #150 on: November 06, 2007, 05:46:20 AM »
Nor does it say how the sun works. We want a theory from you. Stop dodging, start BS-ing.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #151 on: November 06, 2007, 08:50:46 AM »
The FE mechanism of the sun is unknown.
The FE properties of the sun are unknown.
The FE creation of the sun is unknown.
The FE path of the sun is unexplained.
The direct observation proving the sun orbits our planet (RE) isn't countered.

What more can I say? RE wins.  :-\
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #152 on: November 06, 2007, 09:36:32 AM »
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What more can I say? RE wins.  :-\

How does the RE model "know" what mechanism powers the sun or how it was created?

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #153 on: November 06, 2007, 09:42:41 AM »
How does the RE model "know" what mechanism powers the sun or how it was created?

I was discussing the shortcomings of FE so I'm not going to let you pull me off topic for very long.  ::)

Radiation emitted from our sun fits PERFECTLY with our knowledge of fusion.
Gravity explains the creation of the sun with ZERO apparent flaws.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #154 on: November 07, 2007, 08:39:58 AM »
Tom has once again avoided my question about why the FE sun would move in circles, and chooses to attack RE instead.

apparently he CANNOT answer, but refuses to admit he cannot.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #155 on: November 07, 2007, 08:40:57 AM »
Tom has once again avoided my question about why the FE sun would move in circles, and chooses to attack RE instead.

apparently he CANNOT answer, but refuses to admit he cannot.
It follows geodesics.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #156 on: November 07, 2007, 09:01:17 AM »
The photoelectric effect demonstrates the wave-particle nature of light.
Erm right, I almost ignored the fact that he thinks light is a particle.
so then, what are photons?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #157 on: November 07, 2007, 09:05:37 AM »
The photoelectric effect demonstrates the wave-particle nature of light.
Erm right, I almost ignored the fact that he thinks light is a particle.
so then, what are photons?
Sorry, I should have said ignored the fact that he doesn't know of wave-particle duality. Of course photons are discrete particles :P opps, mispoke =-)
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #158 on: November 07, 2007, 09:07:08 AM »
Tom has once again avoided my question about why the FE sun would move in circles, and chooses to attack RE instead.

apparently he CANNOT answer, but refuses to admit he cannot.
It follows geodesics.

geodesics of what, exactly?
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #159 on: November 07, 2007, 12:11:29 PM »
Geodesics of the moon of course! The sun and the moon orbit each other::)
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #160 on: November 07, 2007, 12:13:18 PM »
The FE mechanism of the sun is unknown.
The FE properties of the sun are unknown.
The FE creation of the sun is unknown.
The FE path of the sun is unexplained.
The direct observation proving the sun orbits our planet (RE) isn't countered.

What more can I say? RE wins.  :-\

Precisely! :J
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #161 on: November 07, 2007, 12:34:33 PM »
Geodesics of the moon of course! The sun and the moon orbit each other::)

correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 2 objects of equal size move in a distinctly uncircular fashion around each other?
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #162 on: November 07, 2007, 12:36:06 PM »
elliptical orbits? Yes, they should.  :D Feel free to start a thread questioning it just in time to be ignored.  :(
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #163 on: November 07, 2007, 01:01:52 PM »
oh, your answer is that the sun and moon pull each other around?
but that doesn't explain solar eclipses, where the moon passes in front of the sun.
or the ultra-mysterious "shadow object" that supposedly explains lunar eclipses.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #164 on: November 07, 2007, 01:07:07 PM »
I'm an RE'er. I believe it was Tom Bishop who said the Sun orbits the Moon and the Moon in turn orbits the sun." ...or something like that.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #165 on: November 07, 2007, 01:18:27 PM »
sorry, i missed that. i'm an RE'er too. you were being sarcastic?

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #166 on: November 07, 2007, 01:19:59 PM »

its cool. yeah i need them sarcasm tags
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #167 on: November 07, 2007, 05:21:05 PM »
Just two hours of browsing this forum, and its like a drug.  I have never laughed my ass off so much in my life.

It boils down to this.

Tom Bishop will just refer you to some book or "snell's law"
Username just rabbits on about "Aether" or some complex mathematical equation which makes it look like he has some kind of mathematical proof of his theory.
Other FE proponents either answer questions with a question, or simply give one word answers.

There is no substance to the FE arguement.  It is pure fantasy.

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #168 on: November 07, 2007, 05:34:26 PM »
Just two hours of browsing this forum, and its like a drug.  I have never laughed my ass off so much in my life.

It boils down to this.

Tom Bishop will just refer you to some book or "snell's law"
Username just rabbits on about "Aether" or some complex mathematical equation which makes it look like he has some kind of mathematical proof of his theory.
Other FE proponents either answer questions with a question, or simply give one word answers.

There is no substance to the FE arguement.  It is pure fantasy.

Not really, but sure.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #169 on: November 08, 2007, 05:18:51 AM »
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What more can I say? RE wins.  :-\

How does the RE model "know" what mechanism powers the sun or how it was created?

How do you "know" the earth is flat? How do you "know" exactly which part of your brain is short-circuiting? Guess what TB, we've got theories that marry up with observations. You've got diddly squit about nothing.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #170 on: November 09, 2007, 01:20:44 PM »
BUMPTASTIC
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #171 on: November 11, 2007, 03:06:10 AM »
Bumpilicious.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #172 on: November 11, 2007, 11:10:46 AM »
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What more can I say? RE wins.  :-\

How does the RE model "know" what mechanism powers the sun or how it was created?

How do you "know" the earth is flat? How do you "know" exactly which part of your brain is short-circuiting? Guess what TB, we've got theories that marry up with observations. You've got diddly squit about nothing.
Here,  I'll answer Tom Bishop for you.

"I have observed the flat earth through my window. I have done experiments that proves the flat earth model. If anyone has 'diddly squit' it would be you. Round earth is nothing more than a bunch of theories and faith believing that have never been proven."
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #173 on: November 11, 2007, 12:34:46 PM »
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What more can I say? RE wins.  :-\

How does the RE model "know" what mechanism powers the sun or how it was created?

How do you "know" the earth is flat? How do you "know" exactly which part of your brain is short-circuiting? Guess what TB, we've got theories that marry up with observations. You've got diddly squit about nothing.
Here,  I'll answer Tom Bishop for you.

"I have observed the flat earth through my window. I have done experiments that proves the flat earth model. If anyone has 'diddly squit' it would be you. Round earth is nothing more than a bunch of theories and faith believing that have never been proven."

That's uncanny! You do a great impersonation.  :o
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #174 on: November 11, 2007, 01:17:44 PM »
It would make sense to define terms if you are going to debate them.

Waves
There are two types of wave Longitudinal and Transverse. A Longitudinal wave requires a medium to travel though because energy is transferred as kinetic energy though the vibrations of particles. Transverse waves do not require a medium to travel through because they oscillate perpendicular to the direction of travel and the 'force' of energy is transferred by atomic interactions.

Light waves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum which also includes x-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radiowaves, UV and IR.

The Photoelectric effect is one such atomic interaction where photons (individual discrete 'packets' of 'force' energy) interact with the orbiting electrons around an atom. The reaction is linked by the equation;

hf=[Phi]+0.5mv2

Where hf gives the energy of a photon because of its frequency, hence high frequency photons like UV light has more energy then low frequency photons like radiowaves have low energy. h is planeks constant and it is just a constant.

Phi refers to the work function of the material and is the base amount of energy required to undergo a reaction. The left over kinetic energy is movement given to the electron once it has been liberated from the outer shell.

The photoelectric effect does not 'prove' wave-particle duality, but is supporting evidence. The proof comes from the double slit interference pattern. You can look this up on wikipaedia or try it for yourself with a laser pen. No conspiracy here.

Observations made on Earth (both models) show that nuclear fusion must produce the light in the sun. Thankyou,

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #175 on: November 11, 2007, 01:24:19 PM »
Unfortunately, if the evidence is too strong they scamper away like rats. Debate has yet to start in this thread.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #176 on: November 11, 2007, 01:52:34 PM »
I actually just gave up on trying to read genmotty's post after his first totally nonsensical one.
"Once again the apostles of science are found to lack the scientific credentials for their faith. This not an indictment of science; it only shows again that the choice of science over other forms of life is not a scientific choice."

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #177 on: November 11, 2007, 01:53:13 PM »
Unfortunately, if the evidence is too strong they scamper away like rats. Debate has yet to start in this thread.
The premise of the topic is immediately ridiculous, so what's the point?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #178 on: November 11, 2007, 02:05:42 PM »
Do you even know the premise?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #179 on: November 11, 2007, 02:13:38 PM »
Yes, that the FE sun is impossible.  A ridiculous statement all by itself so why bother?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?