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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #120 on: November 04, 2007, 12:40:18 PM »
yeah, right. i recall a famous experiment with lasers and mirrors that was intended to test the existence of aether. it failed miserably, much to the dismay of the scientists.

so if i shined a spotlight upward, someone a hundred miles could look up and see it? if aether existed, that would happen.

but it doesn't, because aether is a MYTH!
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #121 on: November 04, 2007, 12:42:52 PM »
Quote from: eric bloedow on November 04, 2007, 12:40:18 PM
yeah, right. i recall a famous experiment with lasers and mirrors that was intended to test the existence of aether. it failed miserably, much to the dismay of the scientists.

so if i shined a spotlight upward, someone a hundred miles could look up and see it? if aether existed, that would happen.

but it doesn't, because aether is a MYTH!

That experiment (which you apparently know nothing about) is easily explained when one reads the work of Lorenz.  Also, aether follows directly from Einsteins relativity, as well as other scientificly accepted theories.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #122 on: November 04, 2007, 02:14:44 PM »
Again back to the aether. Just to make sure the point is known, FE sun still does not work. You'd better fix it, because FE is starting to get very cold.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #123 on: November 04, 2007, 02:17:22 PM »
If you say so, I give a perfectly plausible theory and you stick your fingers in your ear and cry "nyah nyah nyah" while stomping about.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #124 on: November 04, 2007, 02:31:20 PM »
Oh, you got me wrong. I'm sure the aether explanation is sound. I was referring more to exactly what powers the FE sun, since it is so small.

And I don't think that FE thinks it's powered by coal, thats just TB, and he's a numpty.

Basically, the problem with FE sun is before the light leaves it.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #125 on: November 04, 2007, 02:33:22 PM »
Its a dump spot for baby universes.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #126 on: November 04, 2007, 04:07:55 PM »
einstien did NOT believe in aether. where did you get that idea?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #127 on: November 04, 2007, 04:16:24 PM »
"To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that space has no physical qualities whatever". Einstein, 1920
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #128 on: November 04, 2007, 08:00:05 PM »
If you think the FE sun has any problems or inconsistencies, you need to read more threads, use the search, read what Tom posts, and generally be less moronic.


Each page is evidence of RE stupidity and willingness to repeat their own errors.
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eric bloedow

Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #129 on: November 04, 2007, 08:38:34 PM »
i have read your threads over and over, and the more i read them, the LESS sense they make!

for example: the mysterious shadow object (lunar eclipce): it would have to be LARGER that the moon, closer to the earth than the moon, block ONLY moonlight and not starlight, and have NO WEIGHT AT ALL.

show me an actual object i can hold in my hand that is totally weightless and blocks moonlight but not starlight, and i would believe. THAT would be REAL proof.

but you would never admit that such an object CANNOT exist, since it would violate several WELL KNOWN laws of physics.

but you insist that such an object MUST exist, because...you insist it must exist...ad infinitim. that is NOT proof, it's fanaticism!

also, flinging cheap insults is NOT the way to make converts. calling everyone who disagrees a moron just makes YOU look stupid.

good night.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #130 on: November 04, 2007, 08:41:27 PM »
Good night!  :)
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #131 on: November 05, 2007, 03:04:09 AM »
Quote from: Username on November 04, 2007, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: eric bloedow on November 04, 2007, 12:40:18 PM
yeah, right. i recall a famous experiment with lasers and mirrors that was intended to test the existence of aether. it failed miserably, much to the dismay of the scientists.

so if i shined a spotlight upward, someone a hundred miles could look up and see it? if aether existed, that would happen.

but it doesn't, because aether is a MYTH!

That experiment (which you apparently know nothing about) is easily explained when one reads the work of Lorenz.  Also, aether follows directly from Einsteins relativity, as well as other scientificly accepted theories.

...Like the "theory" that the earth is round?  That's scientifically accepted, whether or not FE'ers want to believe so.  :)

I don't get why you hold so tightly to certain "scientific proofs" while completely disregarding the ones that don't fit in with a FE.

...Oh wait, it just clicked. 

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I don't get why you hold so tightly to certain "scientific proofs" while completely disregarding the ones that don't fit in with a FE.

Lol.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #132 on: November 05, 2007, 05:23:07 AM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 04, 2007, 08:00:05 PM
If you think the FE sun has any problems or inconsistencies, you need to read more threads, use the search, read what Tom posts, and generally be less moronic.


Each page is evidence of RE stupidity and willingness to repeat their own errors.

I have. Perhaps you should. There is a difference between what TB posts and what could actually work.
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eric bloedow

Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #133 on: November 05, 2007, 09:45:51 AM »
so, does the sun actually move, or not? and if it does move, what's the FE explanation for it not simpily moving straight off the edge?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #134 on: November 05, 2007, 12:37:57 PM »
This is precisely the point, the FE community are dodging the point most wonderfully, they have yet to provide some reason behind why the FE sun should work.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #135 on: November 05, 2007, 12:49:48 PM »
"To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that space has no physical qualities whatever".
Aether seems to have tons of definitions, but the one implied by Einstein attributes aether to be loosely defined as spacetime itself. To my knowledge, he in no way justified aether as having properties like refraction of light.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #136 on: November 05, 2007, 12:56:23 PM »
Operation Aether, (Noun): Username's plan turn all threads into arguments about aether.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #137 on: November 05, 2007, 01:01:55 PM »
Quote from: L0gic on November 05, 2007, 12:49:48 PM
"To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that space has no physical qualities whatever".
Aether seems to have tons of definitions, but the one implied by Einstein attributes aether to be loosely defined as spacetime itself. To my knowledge, he in no way justified aether as having properties like refraction of light.
No I don't believe he did either.  Though the only reason relativity holds over Lorenz's work is due to Occam's razor, which I feel doesn't even apply.

Even given that though, he holds there is ether, and it has properties.  Likely, he knew we didn't know all of its properties. 

Is there a reason you think it couldn't have fields that would create such an effect?
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« Reply #138 on: November 05, 2007, 01:09:19 PM »
ok, let me restate the experiment i was refering too:
scientists were arguing about whether light is a wave or a particle.
if light is a wave, what is it a wave IN? you can't have water-type waves without water, can you? and sound waves are vibrations in the air, so light could be...vibrations in the aether.

so they set up their experiment to see if light moving the SAME way the earth was moving would appear to move faster than light moving the OPPOSITE direction or SIDEWAYS.

their conclusion: light always travels at the same speed, and therefore should be a particle. this SEEMS to disprove the existince of aether, but I could be mis-interpreting.

on the other hand, of you shine light through 2 polarized lenses, then turn one of them 90 degrees, NO light gets through both, which means light must be a wave!

this was before einstein, btw. his explanation...i guess i should look it up.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #139 on: November 05, 2007, 01:10:39 PM »
Quote from: Username on November 04, 2007, 12:42:52 PM
That experiment is easily explained when one reads the work of Lorenz.  Also, aether follows directly from Einsteins relativity, as well as other scientificly accepted theories.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #140 on: November 05, 2007, 01:13:12 PM »
The photoelectric effect demonstrates the wave-particle nature of light.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #141 on: November 05, 2007, 01:23:27 PM »
Quote from: Darth Bishop on November 05, 2007, 01:13:12 PM
The photoelectric effect demonstrates the wave-particle nature of light.
Erm right, I almost ignored the fact that he thinks light is a particle.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #142 on: November 05, 2007, 01:23:34 PM »
Quote from: Username on November 05, 2007, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: L0gic on November 05, 2007, 12:49:48 PM
"To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that space has no physical qualities whatever".
Aether seems to have tons of definitions, but the one implied by Einstein attributes aether to be loosely defined as spacetime itself. To my knowledge, he in no way justified aether as having properties like refraction of light.
No I don't believe he did either.  Though the only reason relativity holds over Lorenz's work is due to Occam's razor, which I feel doesn't even apply.

Even given that though, he holds there is ether, and it has properties.  Likely, he knew we didn't know all of its properties. 

Is there a reason you think it couldn't have fields that would create such an effect?

um... the Scientific Method.
We have no reason to believe this is the case. It is pure speculation. It is only the hypotheses.
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« Reply #143 on: November 05, 2007, 01:36:22 PM »
why are we arguing about the properties of light? oh, yeah, because of the FErs claim that SOMETHING makes light from the sun curve, so as to create the ILLUSION that the sun sets when it really doesn't. that's one of the main points of this thread.

back to my OTHER point: does the FE sun move, or just hover in one place?
and if the FE sun DOES move, why does it go in a big circle near the equator, and not simply shoot straight over the edge and keep going in a straight line, in accordance with Newton's laws of motion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #144 on: November 06, 2007, 04:25:49 AM »
The main point of this thread is that, at the present moment, according to FET the sun is a cold pile of something that produces no heat.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #145 on: November 06, 2007, 05:21:18 AM »
Quote from: Darth Bishop on November 06, 2007, 04:25:49 AM
according to FET the sun is a cold pile of something that produces no heat.
Where in the FET does it say this?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2007, 05:27:35 AM »
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according to FET the sun is a cold pile of something that produces no heat.
Where in the FET does it say this?

Where in the FET does it say otherwise?
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #147 on: November 06, 2007, 05:29:17 AM »
Ok, so you made it up.  Thanks.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #148 on: November 06, 2007, 05:32:52 AM »
I merely making a point relating to the fact FET gives no reasonable explanation as to how the sun works. Hence this whole thread. Therefore, if there is no explanation in FET for how the sun works, in FET the sun doesn't work. Hence the reference to a cold pile of something.

All we want is a reasonable theory as to how the FE sun works. Yet you dodge the question.
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Re: The FE sun is impossible
« Reply #149 on: November 06, 2007, 05:43:28 AM »
So the FET does not say the sun is cold.  Thanks.
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