One solid fact

I know I'm new here but I have always wanted to ask this question.  I want 1 and only 1 absolute piece of evidence that states the earth is flat.  I don't someone (Bishop) to come in and say "well state one piece of evidence that the earth is round" because that's not what this forum is trying to prove.  Just one piece of concrete evidence please.  Thank you.

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham has conducted a series of trials and experiments which conclusively demonstrates the earth as a plane. His book is entitled Earth Not a Globe and is available online.

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham has conducted a series of trials and experiments which conclusively demonstrates the earth as a plane. His book is entitled Earth Not a Globe and is available online.

And is worthless. Not a single experiment is well enough documented to reproduce and he never records his margins for error. The book contains numerous inane statements as well.

To see the proof on the other side of the ledger, many experiments of which anyone can reproduce, see The RE Primer.

Dr. Samuel Birk Rowbotham had something wrong with his head.

Dr. Samuel Birk Rowbotham had something wrong with his head.

Was Samuel Birley Rowbotham the British "Scientist" even a Dr? Because I can't find any references to him which also include him being Dr.

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Dr. Samuel Birk Rowbotham had something wrong with his head.

Was Samuel Birley Rowbotham the British "Scientist" even a Dr? Because I can't find any references to him which also include him being Dr.

TomB says it is so, therefore it is.

Ahh... the single truth of the universe.

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Dr. Samuel Birk Rowbotham had something wrong with his head.

Was Samuel Birley Rowbotham the British "Scientist" even a Dr? Because I can't find any references to him which also include him being Dr.

There is no documentation of his receipt of any advanced degrees. He was clearly a "pretender".

Was Samuel Birley Rowbotham the British "Scientist" even a Dr? Because I can't find any references to him which also include him being Dr.

According to Christine Garwood's book "Flat Earth: The history of an infamous idea" Samuel Birley Rowbotham ran a small medical practice in Cambridge. He was put to rest as Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PhD.

There is no documentation of his receipt of any advanced degrees. He was clearly a "pretender".

Did you know him personally? How do you know he was a fraud?

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Was Samuel Birley Rowbotham the British "Scientist" even a Dr? Because I can't find any references to him which also include him being Dr.

According to Christine Garwood's book "Flat Earth: The history of an infamous idea" Samuel Birley Rowbotham ran a small medical practice in Cambridge. He was put to rest as Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PhD.

Wrong. You [Rules Violation]. She all but calls him a quack

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There is no documentation of his receipt of any advanced degrees. He was clearly a "pretender".

Did you know him personally? How do you know he was a fraud?

Easily. From Christine Garwood's book and EnaG, I can readily deduce, as can any reasonable person, that he was a fraud.

I see no solid point to this.

I see no solid point to this.

Seconded

Easily. From Christine Garwood's book and EnaG, I can readily deduce, as can any reasonable person, that he was a fraud.

Garwood calls Rowbotham a doctor. She also calls him delusional and eccentric, but a doctor none the less.

What evidence do you have showing that Rowbotham faked his degree? How was Rowbotham able to get away with practicing medicine without a degree?

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Easily. From Christine Garwood's book and EnaG, I can readily deduce, as can any reasonable person, that he was a fraud.

Garwood calls Rowbotham a doctor. She also calls him delusional and eccentric, but a doctor none the less.

What evidence do you have showing that Rowbotham faked his degree? How was Rowbotham able to get away with practicing medicine without a degree?

The responsibility for supporting the assertion belongs to the asserter. You claim he was degreed. Then state the degree, the granting university, and the year granted. Provide documentation to this effect.

Since we have expert documentation that he was delusional and a fraud, we can safely conclude that any claim, including the privilege to practice medicine, are suspect and to be doubted.

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Easily. From Christine Garwood's book and EnaG, I can readily deduce, as can any reasonable person, that he was a fraud.

Garwood calls Rowbotham a doctor. She also calls him delusional and eccentric, but a doctor none the less.

What evidence do you have showing that Rowbotham faked his degree?

none. But he thought the earth was flat, and in this day and age that is a sign of serious mental fuckedy-uppety-ness

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Easily. From Christine Garwood's book and EnaG, I can readily deduce, as can any reasonable person, that he was a fraud.

Garwood calls Rowbotham a doctor. She also calls him delusional and eccentric, but a doctor none the less.

What evidence do you have showing that Rowbotham faked his degree? How was Rowbotham able to get away with practicing medicine without a degree?

The responsibility for supporting the assertion belongs to the asserter. You claim he was degreed. Then state the degree, the granting university, and the year granted. Provide documentation to this effect.

Since we have expert documentation that he was delusional and a fraud, we can safely conclude that any claim, including the privilege to practice medicine, are suspect and to be doubted.

I dont know, the common belief and the prima facie belief are both that he is a doctor.  We also have an expert that says he practiced medicine.  I'm not sure the burden is on him to prove it.

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Easily. From Christine Garwood's book and EnaG, I can readily deduce, as can any reasonable person, that he was a fraud.

Garwood calls Rowbotham a doctor. She also calls him delusional and eccentric, but a doctor none the less.

What evidence do you have showing that Rowbotham faked his degree? How was Rowbotham able to get away with practicing medicine without a degree?

The responsibility for supporting the assertion belongs to the asserter. You claim he was degreed. Then state the degree, the granting university, and the year granted. Provide documentation to this effect.

Since we have expert documentation that he was delusional and a fraud, we can safely conclude that any claim, including the privilege to practice medicine, are suspect and to be doubted.

I dont know, the common belief and the prima facie belief are both that he is a doctor.  We also have an expert that says he practiced medicine.  I'm not sure the burden is on him to prove it.

You're can't be serious. You're suggesting that because people believe it that it's true unless proven otherwise.

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Easily. From Christine Garwood's book and EnaG, I can readily deduce, as can any reasonable person, that he was a fraud.

Garwood calls Rowbotham a doctor. She also calls him delusional and eccentric, but a doctor none the less.

What evidence do you have showing that Rowbotham faked his degree? How was Rowbotham able to get away with practicing medicine without a degree?

The responsibility for supporting the assertion belongs to the asserter. You claim he was degreed. Then state the degree, the granting university, and the year granted. Provide documentation to this effect.

Since we have expert documentation that he was delusional and a fraud, we can safely conclude that any claim, including the privilege to practice medicine, are suspect and to be doubted.

I dont know, the common belief and the prima facie belief are both that he is a doctor.  We also have an expert that says he practiced medicine.  I'm not sure the burden is on him to prove it.

You're can't be serious. You're suggesting that because people believe it that it's true unless proven otherwise.

I'm saying you are the one making the assertion.   You are challenging what experts and commoners hold as true, and then you are trying to say that you aren't.

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Easily. From Christine Garwood's book and EnaG, I can readily deduce, as can any reasonable person, that he was a fraud.

Garwood calls Rowbotham a doctor. She also calls him delusional and eccentric, but a doctor none the less.

What evidence do you have showing that Rowbotham faked his degree? How was Rowbotham able to get away with practicing medicine without a degree?

The responsibility for supporting the assertion belongs to the asserter. You claim he was degreed. Then state the degree, the granting university, and the year granted. Provide documentation to this effect.

Since we have expert documentation that he was delusional and a fraud, we can safely conclude that any claim, including the privilege to practice medicine, are suspect and to be doubted.

I dont know, the common belief and the prima facie belief are both that he is a doctor.  We also have an expert that says he practiced medicine.  I'm not sure the burden is on him to prove it.

You're can't be serious. You're suggesting that because people believe it that it's true unless proven otherwise.

I'm saying you are the one making the assertion.   You are challenging what experts and commoners hold as true, and then you are trying to say that you aren't.

Okay, I challenge you to back up your claim. What experts hold as true that Rowbotham held a non-honorary Ph. D. or M. D. from an accredited university?

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Was Samuel Birley Rowbotham the British "Scientist" even a Dr? Because I can't find any references to him which also include him being Dr.

According to Christine Garwood's book "Flat Earth: The history of an infamous idea" Samuel Birley Rowbotham ran a small medical practice in Cambridge. He was put to rest as Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PhD.

Wouldn't that be as close as we have to an expert?
 
When I get a chance to go by the library I'll see what I can dig up.

Okay, I challenge you to back up your claim. What experts hold as true that Rowbotham held a non-honorary Ph. D. or M. D. from an accredited university?

A mathematician and at Cambridge University and president of the Royal Astronomical Society, for one.

"The flat earth floating tremulously on the sea, the sun moving always over it, giving day when near enough, and night when too far off; the self-luminous moon, with a semi-transparent invisible moon created to give her an eclipse now and then; the new law of perspective, by which the vanishing of the hull before the masts, usually thought to prove the earth globular, really proves it flat; all these and other things are well fitted to form exercises in learning the elements of astronomy. Dr. Rowbotham, though confident in the extreme, neither impeaches the honesty of those whose opinions he assails, nor allots them any future inconvenience."--Augustus De Morgan, Professor of Mathematics in Cambridge University, President of the Royal Astronomical Society, F.R.A.S., &c., &c.--Athenĉum Journal for October 12, 1872.

The Bradford Advisor had this to say about Dr. Rowbotham:

"'PARALLAX' AT BRADFORD.--So long have astronomers averred the earth's rotundity and its motion round the sun, that when 'Parallax' was announced to lecture we went to see the man who had ventured to controvert facts so long settled by the most recherché students in celestial science. To our surprise every position taken seemed fortified with keen logical reasoning, and an easy explanation was given of many of the tests previously considered absolute proofs of the earth's rotundity. The lecturer contends [particulars are here given]. By many illustrations he disproved this rotundity, and astonished his audiences by showing how little there is to be relied on in what has been hitherto received as demonstration itself. 'Parallax' is unquestionably a very acute reasoner, a paragon of courtesy, good temper, and masterly skill in debate; and, by his frank and ingenuous manner, won largely on the convictions of his audience. Seldom have we seen an assembly so much absorbed in their subject; and the interest was maintained to the close. We feel it due to say that, if the data given are correct, there is no resisting the conclusions arrived at."--Bradford Advertiser, July 6th and 13th, 1867.

Liverpool also welcomed Rowbotham with open arms:

"THE EARTH NOT A GLOBE.--Lectures on the above subject were de-livered this week in the Royal Assembly Room, Great George-street, Liverpool, by 'Parallax,' a gentleman known to the literary world by a work on 'Zetetic Astronomy,' and who came somewhat prominently before the Liverpool public fourteen or fifteen years ago through the columns of the Mercury. The hall was well filled by respectable and critical audiences. He commenced his first lecture by comparing the Newtonian principle of astronomy with the Zetetic (which must prove all and take nothing for granted); and endeavoured to demonstrate in a comprehensive and logical manner that the earth is not a globe but a plane; that, in fact, all theories of the earth's rotundity are fallacious, and that the followers of Newton and other philosophers had been adopting and believing a 'cunningly devised fable.' The lectures were illustrated by numerous diagrams and experiments, and were listened to with the greatest attention by all present. 'Parallax' appears to have studied the peculiarities of his subject thoroughly, and was warmly applauded during the delivery of his lectures."--Liverpool Mercury, October 3rd, 1866.

The city of Warrington gives Rowbotham a stunning review:

"'PARALLAX' ON ZETETIC ASTRONOMY.--The gentleman who has adopted this noon de plume delivered his first lecture on Monday evening last There was a large and highly respectable audience--the hall being crowded. The lecture was a clear and elaborate exposition, &c. [lengthy details follow]. If we may judge by the applause by which some of the lecturer's arguments were confirmed, we should say that many of those present were ready to exclaim: 'Behold, a greater than Newton is here!' A hot discussion followed, in which the Rev. Nixon Porter and other gentlemen took part, but Parallax' maintained his ground."--Warrington Guardian, March 24th, 1866.

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Was Samuel Birley Rowbotham the British "Scientist" even a Dr? Because I can't find any references to him which also include him being Dr.

According to Christine Garwood's book "Flat Earth: The history of an infamous idea" Samuel Birley Rowbotham ran a small medical practice in Cambridge. He was put to rest as Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PhD.

Wouldn't that be as close as we have to an expert?
 
When I get a chance to go by the library I'll see what I can dig up.

I agree. She's an expert and if she said he held a respectable degree I would surely yield. I've read the book, and she is careful never to call him doctor or allow that anyone but his family referred to a degree. I suggest that his delusions included two degrees, M. D. and Ph. D.

Thank you for the offer of the research trip.

Okay, I challenge you to back up your claim. What experts hold as true that Rowbotham held a non-honorary Ph. D. or M. D. from an accredited university?

A mathematician at Cambridge University, for one.

"The flat earth floating tremulously on the sea, the sun moving always over it, giving day when near enough, and night when too far off; the self-luminous moon, with a semi-transparent invisible moon created to give her an eclipse now and then; the new law of perspective, by which the vanishing of the hull before the masts, usually thought to prove the earth globular, really proves it flat; all these and other things are well fitted to form exercises in learning the elements of astronomy. Dr. Rowbotham, though confident in the extreme, neither impeaches the honesty of those whose opinions he assails, nor allots them any future inconvenience."--Augustus De Morgan, Professor of Mathematics in Cambridge University, President of the Royal Astronomical Society, F.R.A.S., &c., &c.--Athenĉum Journal for October 12, 1872.

"Dr." may be an honorary title--Fail.
Source out of print and not verifiable--Fail.
You regularly [Rules Violation]--Fail.

The Bradford Advisor had this to say about Dr. Rowbotham:

"'PARALLAX' AT BRADFORD.--So long have astronomers averred the earth's rotundity and its motion round the sun, that when 'Parallax' was announced to lecture we went to see the man who had ventured to controvert facts so long settled by the most recherché students in celestial science. To our surprise every position taken seemed fortified with keen logical reasoning, and an easy explanation was given of many of the tests previously considered absolute proofs of the earth's rotundity. The lecturer contends [particulars are here given]. By many illustrations he disproved this rotundity, and astonished his audiences by showing how little there is to be relied on in what has been hitherto received as demonstration itself. 'Parallax' is unquestionably a very acute reasoner, a paragon of courtesy, good temper, and masterly skill in debate; and, by his frank and ingenuous manner, won largely on the convictions of his audience. Seldom have we seen an assembly so much absorbed in their subject; and the interest was maintained to the close. We feel it due to say that, if the data given are correct, there is no resisting the conclusions arrived at."--Bradford Advertiser, July 6th and 13th, 1867.

Liverpool also welcomed Rowbotham with open arms:

"THE EARTH NOT A GLOBE.--Lectures on the above subject were de-livered this week in the Royal Assembly Room, Great George-street, Liverpool, by 'Parallax,' a gentleman known to the literary world by a work on 'Zetetic Astronomy,' and who came somewhat prominently before the Liverpool public fourteen or fifteen years ago through the columns of the Mercury. The hall was well filled by respectable and critical audiences. He commenced his first lecture by comparing the Newtonian principle of astronomy with the Zetetic (which must prove all and take nothing for granted); and endeavoured to demonstrate in a comprehensive and logical manner that the earth is not a globe but a plane; that, in fact, all theories of the earth's rotundity are fallacious, and that the followers of Newton and other philosophers had been adopting and believing a 'cunningly devised fable.' The lectures were illustrated by numerous diagrams and experiments, and were listened to with the greatest attention by all present. 'Parallax' appears to have studied the peculiarities of his subject thoroughly, and was warmly applauded during the delivery of his lectures."--Liverpool Mercury, October 3rd, 1866.

The city of Warrington gives Rowbotham a stunning review:

"'PARALLAX' ON ZETETIC ASTRONOMY.--The gentleman who has adopted this noon de plume delivered his first lecture on Monday evening last There was a large and highly respectable audience--the hall being crowded. The lecture was a clear and elaborate exposition, &c. [lengthy details follow]. If we may judge by the applause by which some of the lecturer's arguments were confirmed, we should say that many of those present were ready to exclaim: 'Behold, a greater than Newton is here!' A hot discussion followed, in which the Rev. Nixon Porter and other gentlemen took part, but Parallax' maintained his ground."--Warrington Guardian, March 24th, 1866.

No reference to a degree or even "Dr."--Fail.
No verifiable source--Fail.
You regularly [Rules Violation]--Fail.

Source out of print

What detail in particular makes you suspect that the source is out of print?

You regularly lie

Reviews of Rowbotham's character do not lie:

"ZETETIC ASTRONOMY.--Three lectures were delivered on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday evenings last, at the Lecture Hall in this town, by a gentleman adopting the name of 'Parallax,' to prove modern astronomy unreasonable and contradictory--that the earth is a plane, or a disc, and not a globe--the sun, moon, and stars, self-luminous, &c., &c. The lectures were delivered in a manner which could not fail to be comprehended, and which left no doubt that the lecturer was thoroughly acquainted with the subject he was discussing. We have seldom heard a man with stronger argumentative powers, sounder logic, or more convincive reasoning. The revelations of the lecturer appeared to completely astound his audiences, who, for the greater part, left with a strong impression that the previous teachers of astronomy must have been greatly in error. 'Parallax' is undoubtedly a gentleman of no mean intellect, and must have studied deeply to have reached such scientific attainments."--Croydon Chronicle, January 24th, 1857.

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"'PARALLAX' AT THE LECTURE HALL.--This talented lecturer is again in Greenwich, rivetting the attention of his audiences, and compelling them to submit to the facts which he brings before them--we say submit, for this they do; it seems impossible for any one to battle with him, so powerful are the weapons he uses. Mathematicians argue with him at the conclusion of his lectures, but it would seem as though they held their weapons by the blade and fought with the handle, for sure enough they put the handle straight into the lecturer's hand, to their own utter discomfiture and chagrin. It remains yet to be seen whether any of our Royal Astronomers will have courage enough to meet him in discussion, or whether they will quietly allow him to give the death-blow to the Newtonian theory, and make converts of our townspeople to his own Zetetic philosophy. If 'Parallax' be wrong, for Heaven's sake let some of our Greenwich stars twinkle at the Hall, and dazzle, confound, or eclipse altogether this wandering one, who is turning men, all over England, out of the Newtonian path. 'Parallax' is making his hearers disgusted with the Newtonian and every other theory, and turning them to a consideration of facts and first principles, from which they know not how to escape. Again we beg and trust that some of our Royal Observatory gentlemen will try to save us, and prevent anything like a Zetetic epidemic prevailing amongst us."--Greenwich Free Press, May 19th, 1862.

How many lectures concerning the shape of the earth have you given, Gulliver? What makes you believe that you are an expert in the field?

"The second lecture of this series was delivered last evening. The hall was crammed to excess--in fact, many were unable to obtain admission. The lecturer briefly recapitulated a portion of his previous lecture. He went through the whole of the syllabus, amidst constant interruption, with the best possible temper, making his subject extremely interesting, and handling it in such an able manner as to elicit loud and frequent applause. Before the lecture was concluded it was quite evident, judging from the feelings exhibited by the majority of the audience, that 'Parallax' had impressed many of them with the truth of his ideas. It cannot be denied that he treats his subject in a very clever and ingenuous manner, and succeeds in drawing many over to agree with him. "--Western Daily Mercury, September 28th, 1864.

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Are you willing you demonstrate and conduct experiments in front of audiences like Dr. Rowbotham was?

"The third of the above series of lectures was delivered last evening. The subject underwent a long and warm discussion, and the questions which were put to the lecturer were answered with a great degree of ingenuity. Upon the suggestion of a gentleman present, the lecturer said that, in conjunction with other gentlemen, he would be happy to make any experiments to ascertain the truth or fallacy of his teachings. This, we believe, will be acted upon, it being purposed to visit the Breakwater and the Eddystone Lighthouse, and there make the necessary observations, which no doubt will prove very interesting."--Western Daily Mercury, September 30th, 1864.

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Rowbotham was very willing to demonstrate his experiments for audiences. Dr. Rowbotham made battle with mathematicians and professionals from all fields:

"'PARALLAX' ON ZETETIC ASTRONOMY.--Last evening the lecturer who has adopted this nom de plume gave his first lecture at the Athenĉum. . . . The hall was crowded by a respectable audience. He laid before his hearers an entertaining, instructing, and very plausible collection of facts, upon which he based the deduction that the world was not an oblate spheroid, but a plane. The details were illustrated by diagrams, that were interestingly explained, in aid of his arguments; and when, in response to invitation, several gentlemen of experience, as nautical men and in the survey of land, questioned his opinions, and advanced strong antagonistic reasons, the replies were both clever and courteous. It was much regretted that very warm feeling was manifested by some of the auditors. . . . The lecturer was frequently applauded. He lectures again this evening, and there can be no doubt that the audience will be a numerous one, for in his lectures much unquestioned but valuable information is incidentally introduced, and much argument that is singularly difficult of controversion."--Western Daily News, September 27th, 1864.

"A conclave of scientific gentlemen sat to get up a reply, and just one of the number was able to state the answer: even that answer, scientific as it was, had a fallacy in it."--Spectator, April 12th, 1865.

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Source out of print

What detail in particular makes you suspect that the source is out of print

A Google search on the publication.

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You regularly lie

Reviews of Rowbotham's character do not lie:

"ZETETIC ASTRONOMY.--Three lectures were delivered on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday evenings last, at the Lecture Hall in this town, by a gentleman adopting the name of 'Parallax,' to prove modern astronomy unreasonable and contradictory--that the earth is a plane, or a disc, and not a globe--the sun, moon, and stars, self-luminous, &c., &c. The lectures were delivered in a manner which could not fail to be comprehended, and which left no doubt that the lecturer was thoroughly acquainted with the subject he was discussing. We have seldom heard a man with stronger argumentative powers, sounder logic, or more convincive reasoning. The revelations of the lecturer appeared to completely astound his audiences, who, for the greater part, left with a strong impression that the previous teachers of astronomy must have been greatly in error. 'Parallax' is undoubtedly a gentleman of no mean intellect, and must have studied deeply to have reached such scientific attainments."--Croydon Chronicle, January 24th, 1857.

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"'PARALLAX' AT THE LECTURE HALL.--This talented lecturer is again in Greenwich, rivetting the attention of his audiences, and compelling them to submit to the facts which he brings before them--we say submit, for this they do; it seems impossible for any one to battle with him, so powerful are the weapons he uses. Mathematicians argue with him at the conclusion of his lectures, but it would seem as though they held their weapons by the blade and fought with the handle, for sure enough they put the handle straight into the lecturer's hand, to their own utter discomfiture and chagrin. It remains yet to be seen whether any of our Royal Astronomers will have courage enough to meet him in discussion, or whether they will quietly allow him to give the death-blow to the Newtonian theory, and make converts of our townspeople to his own Zetetic philosophy. If 'Parallax' be wrong, for Heaven's sake let some of our Greenwich stars twinkle at the Hall, and dazzle, confound, or eclipse altogether this wandering one, who is turning men, all over England, out of the Newtonian path. 'Parallax' is making his hearers disgusted with the Newtonian and every other theory, and turning them to a consideration of facts and first principles, from which they know not how to escape. Again we beg and trust that some of our Royal Observatory gentlemen will try to save us, and prevent anything like a Zetetic epidemic prevailing amongst us."--Greenwich Free Press, May 19th, 1862.

Same problems:
No reference to an accredited degree--Failure.
No means to verify to the source and quote--Failure.
You regularly [Rules Violation], so what you type is always [Rules Violation].--Failure.

You should know: These quotes won't stand up to an editor's review, so you'd better re-think your plans.

How many lectures concerning the shape of the earth have you given, Gulliver? What makes you believe that you are an expert in the field?

"The second lecture of this series was delivered last evening. The hall was crammed to excess--in fact, many were unable to obtain admission. The lecturer briefly recapitulated a portion of his previous lecture. He went through the whole of the syllabus, amidst constant interruption, with the best possible temper, making his subject extremely interesting, and handling it in such an able manner as to elicit loud and frequent applause. Before the lecture was concluded it was quite evident, judging from the feelings exhibited by the majority of the audience, that 'Parallax' had impressed many of them with the truth of his ideas. It cannot be denied that he treats his subject in a very clever and ingenuous manner, and succeeds in drawing many over to agree with him. "--Western Daily Mercury, September 28th, 1864.

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Are you willing you demonstrate and conduct experiments in front of audiences like Dr. Rowbotham was?

"The third of the above series of lectures was delivered last evening. The subject underwent a long and warm discussion, and the questions which were put to the lecturer were answered with a great degree of ingenuity. Upon the suggestion of a gentleman present, the lecturer said that, in conjunction with other gentlemen, he would be happy to make any experiments to ascertain the truth or fallacy of his teachings. This, we believe, will be acted upon, it being purposed to visit the Breakwater and the Eddystone Lighthouse, and there make the necessary observations, which no doubt will prove very interesting."--Western Daily Mercury, September 30th, 1864.

I feel no need to stand toe-to-toe with a delusional person so long discredited by his own work. The RE Primer answers the charge. Anyone can see for himself or herself that the world is a globe.

Well, let repeat the standard chorus...
Same problems:
No reference to an accredited degree--Failure.
No means to verify to the source and quote--Failure.
You regularly [Rules Violation], so what you type is always [Rules Violation].--Failure.

How many lectures concerning the shape of the earth have you given, Gulliver? What makes you believe that you are an expert in the field?

Well, to be fair, he would need to claim to be an expert on Rowbotham, or something a bit broader that would encompass him.