Homosexuality

I'd say people don't like homosexuality, so they pick and choose their own quotes to make themselves feel better. Afterall, it also builds up an "us and them" system, with an enemy in your mind, your faith is that much stronger, fear and hate are powerful tools, the Church uses them well.

I still love it how the church hasn't actually "cured" anyone of homosexuality, at best, made them closet gays... ^_^

AH... This was a fun thread. Yes, the OT is full of those, but that really isn't news is it?

To dispel any confusion for new member reading this: No, I would not kill my own son if he disobeyed me, or follow any of those dirty Jewish rules, really.

My question is why did you choose to resurrect such an old thread?

Quote from: [][][] on January 29, 2008, 01:53:31 PM

AH... This was a fun thread. Yes, the OT is full of those, but that really isn't news is it?

To dispel any confusion for new member reading this: No, I would not kill my own son if he disobeyed me, or follow any of those dirty Jewish rules, really.

My question is why did you choose to resurrect such an old thread?

Lying is a sin, you know.

Why did you say you would kill your own son?

Quote from: Brylian on February 07, 2008, 08:16:48 PM

I'd say people don't like homosexuality, so they pick and choose their own quotes to make themselves feel better. Afterall, it also builds up an "us and them" system, with an enemy in your mind, your faith is that much stronger, fear and hate are powerful tools, the Church uses them well.

I still love it how the church hasn't actually "cured" anyone of homosexuality, at best, made them closet gays... ^_^

http://exgay.com/

Is that website supposed to be a counter example? 

Quote from: Althalus on February 09, 2008, 02:18:11 PM

Why did you say you would kill your own son?

Because I find it funny that by just saying things like that (the Bible is all true, atheists are evil, ect.) I send some members of this forum into a frothing rage, like mad dogs.

Quote from: EvilToothpaste on February 09, 2008, 06:05:11 PM

Is that website supposed to be a counter example? 

Yes.

I consider any unshakable biblical faith to be dangerous. If you have unshakable biblical faith then I believe you are too. If not, then you may not be dangerous.

I never said that I agreed with them, only that there are people who believe that they have been cured of homosexuality. If you were to say that they have not been 'cured' because they still have homosexual desires, consider that very few 'cured' alcoholics have no desire to drink.

Fair enough. Consider my use of you in the broadest sense. My point is still valid that anyone who does have unshakable faith in the bible gets those who believe in reason pissed.

Quote from: Benocrates on February 09, 2008, 06:47:27 PM

Fair enough. Consider my use of you in the broadest sense. My point is still valid that anyone who does have unshakable faith in the bible gets those who believe in reason pissed.

I believe in reason.

I do not get pissed off by all Fundamentalists.

Take VenomFang for example (that youtube Fundamentalist). I think his videos are both pathetic and funny in ways, especially how he open comments to his videos for an hour and gets all of his friends to vote up his video and add nice comments, then closes them forever.

So... point invalidated?

I believe you would be more correct to say that believers in reason get pissed (rightly) when those things that are irrational are being taught to others as factual (such as ID in schools). Just because somone holds a rediculous opinion does not necissarily make me angry at them. Why do you get angered?

Quote from: [][][] on February 09, 2008, 06:59:01 PM

Quote from: Benocrates on February 09, 2008, 06:47:27 PM

Fair enough. Consider my use of you in the broadest sense. My point is still valid that anyone who does have unshakable faith in the bible gets those who believe in reason pissed.

I believe in reason.

I do not get pissed off by all Fundamentalists.

Take VenomFang for example (that youtube Fundamentalist). I think his videos are both pathetic and funny in ways, especially how he open comments to his videos for an hour and gets all of his friends to vote up his video and add nice comments, then closes them forever.

So... point invalidated?

I believe you would be more correct to say that believers in reason get pissed (rightly) when those things that are irrational are being taught to others as factual (such as ID in schools). Just because somone holds a rediculous opinion does not necissarily make me angry at them. Why do you get angered?

I don't believe in crimes of thought, only crimes of action. I don't care what silly superstition or conspiracy theory you believe as long as it doesn't affect my life or anyone else's. When it is confined to an online forum it is incensing because it's an insulting view of the world and of reason. You can argue that in such a trivial forum it shouldn't provoke anger because it doesn't matter, but then why even bother talking about anything. When it comes into the public sphere with laws being founded on irrationality those with a belief in reason become rightly upset.

I never said that I agreed with them, only that there are people who believe that they have been cured of homosexuality. If you were to say that they have not been 'cured' because they still have homosexual desires, consider that very few 'cured' alcoholics have no desire to drink.

Quote from: Althalus on February 09, 2008, 06:47:49 PM

I never said that I agreed with them, only that there are people who believe that they have been cured of homosexuality. If you were to say that they have not been 'cured' because they still have homosexual desires, consider that very few 'cured' alcoholics have no desire to drink.

I never accused you of agreeing with anyone and I would confidently say this man has not been cured of homosexuality.  Did you read beyond the first few pages of that website? 

The original point by Brylian was that the church uses fear and hate as powerful tools to create internal conflict in the minds of homosexuals.  Exgay.com is a website devoted entirely to one man's personal struggle with his faith as a Christian and his undeniable homosexuality.  He decided to finally ignore what the church and others think he should be and instead be true to himself and accept himself for who he is.  He is cured of the internal struggle, but not of homosexuality.  Mr. Exgay is still a homosexual, which means he is not 'cured' (which i believe is not even possible to cure such a thing).  I think that puts his web-address in the ballpark of irony. 

I'm not trying to rag on you, I'm just illuminating the fact that your example does not agree with your argument. 

http://www.narth.com/

science fiction

It's also an opinion to believe it is the inspired word of god, but I don't think we need to get into that right here.

Let me change that statement:  Anytime a person wants to change another persons way of living it makes me want to purge. 

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So the Bible says; "Thou shall not kill" but in reality the 10 commandments only apply in some circumstances; there are times when it's not a sin to break them?  Where does it say this in the bible?

No, the real translation is closer to thou shalt not murder.

There are circumstances where killing is fine. Unjustified killing though is not.

I presumed the comment at the bottom was in regards to what the Bible says, not a general statement about killing people.  If that assumption is wrong then I apologise.  The point is that if you take the Old Testament literally in regards to what it says about homosexuality, you have to take it literally when it says you should stone your children to death if they disobey your word.

Dedicated Theist; If you had children and they disobeyed your word, would you stone them to death?

It's cool. I generally just argue for whichever side seems to have the facts correct. Also i do believe in god, but i do not believe that the bible is 100% correct.