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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #570 on: November 02, 2007, 08:05:43 AM »
Quote from: Agent Z on November 02, 2007, 01:35:31 AM
LOL, just thought I would have a go yesterday, got bored. It's quite clear that some people cannot be reasoned with.

Still mad you lost?


RE at its best.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #571 on: November 02, 2007, 08:11:10 AM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 02, 2007, 08:05:43 AM
Quote from: Agent Z on November 02, 2007, 01:35:31 AM
LOL, just thought I would have a go yesterday, got bored. It's quite clear that some people cannot be reasoned with.

Still mad you lost?


RE at its best.

I didn't lose. You just didn't listen.


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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #572 on: November 02, 2007, 08:12:29 AM »
Shh farmer, it's another victory for FE!
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« Reply #573 on: November 02, 2007, 08:14:05 AM »
Another victory for the Deaf Earth society...

wait, what?
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #574 on: November 02, 2007, 08:14:45 AM »
Another victory for the Smarticus Society!
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #575 on: November 02, 2007, 08:28:37 AM »
RE'ers still cannot find a water molecule within the oceans that is not, within the oceans.


All the water is buoyant and all of it is free to float away. Unless the world is flat of course.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #576 on: November 02, 2007, 08:31:47 AM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 02, 2007, 08:28:37 AM
RE'ers still cannot find a water molecule within the oceans that is not, within the oceans.

your point being?


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All the water is buoyant and all of it is free to float away. Unless the world is flat of course.

Incorrect.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #577 on: November 02, 2007, 08:36:16 AM »
Well the oceans are weightless. On RE this is true irregardless of whether they are airborne or not.


I love you guys model, it's like extreme fantasy or something. Do you guys also believe the soul can be seperated from the body with a vorpal sword +5? That would be awsome.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #578 on: November 02, 2007, 09:38:02 AM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 02, 2007, 08:36:16 AM
Well the oceans are weightless. On RE this is true irregardless of whether they are airborne or not.
no they are not.


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if you say so
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #579 on: November 02, 2007, 09:53:55 AM »
narc, the oceans are not weightless.  You're trying to take neutral buoyancy in water and apply it to air.

Mr.H2O goes to the surface.

He's nearing the surface, changing temperature and everything.

He reaches the surface.  OH NO!!!  He's reached a barrier!  Air!

Air is not dense enough to hold Mr.H2O up!  He cannot pass!

He doesn't bounce because by bouncing he would rise and he CAN'T DO THAT!

Why?

Because air can't support Mr.H2O against gravity.

Poor Mr.H2O
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« Reply #580 on: November 02, 2007, 09:56:05 AM »
The top layer is weightless
The layer beneath is weightless
The layer beneath that is weightless
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Yes, if the water left the ocean, it would become weighty. But since the entirety of the oceans have no weight, they may float together.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #581 on: November 02, 2007, 10:04:41 AM »
No, Narc.  Think.

They have weight.  In water they do not.  The entire oceans as themselves HAVE WEIGHT.

The molecues RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER are neutrally buoyant.

If water tried to leave the ground, air would have to take its place, but air can't support water!

Therefore they can't float.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #582 on: November 02, 2007, 10:16:51 AM »
All the water remains within the oceans.

How does each molecule float freely, but as a whole cannot? Do you understand the Law of Sums? The oceans ARE the many molecules of water that are free to float. The oceans ARE free to float.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #583 on: November 02, 2007, 10:19:13 AM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 02, 2007, 10:16:51 AM
All the water remains within the oceans.

How does each molecule float freely, but as a whole cannot? Do you understand the Law of Sums? The oceans ARE the many molecules of water that are free to float. The oceans ARE free to float.

LOL. Do you even understand anything about fluids?
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #584 on: November 02, 2007, 10:23:03 AM »
Let's take this one step at a time.

Narc, what would support the oceans if they lifted up from the ground?  They have weight, buoyancy and weightlessness are not the same thing.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #585 on: November 02, 2007, 11:09:47 AM »
Equivalence Principle.

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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #586 on: November 02, 2007, 11:19:40 AM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 02, 2007, 10:23:03 AM
Let's take this one step at a time.

Narc, what would support the oceans if they lifted up from the ground?  They have weight, buoyancy and weightlessness are not the same thing.

I guess the water would be supported by the newtonian laws of physics. Namely buoyancy. Does water cease to be buoyant in water at certain heights?
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #587 on: November 02, 2007, 11:21:14 AM »
No, it does not cease to be buoyant WITH ITSELF.  However, water is just NOT BUOYANT in AIR!  It won't float.
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« Reply #588 on: November 02, 2007, 11:22:50 AM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 02, 2007, 11:21:14 AM
No, it does not cease to be buoyant WITH ITSELF.  However, water is just NOT BUOYANT in AIR!  It won't float.

Ah there's your problem, you think that the water molecule is in air, but it is in water. The oceans just need to remain within themselves to float.
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« Reply #589 on: November 02, 2007, 11:30:58 AM »
Smartyboy, your floating oceans theory means there is no rain on FE. Explain yourself.

I can try to end this in five words:
Smarticus is screwing with us.

Whether or not a single water molecule is in the water as a whole is irrelevent. I've already shown that by your own reckoning oceans cannot float. They do not bounce because of something called gravitation.
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« Reply #590 on: November 02, 2007, 11:48:33 AM »
Narc, are you saying air can support water?
Air is less dense than water.
It cannot hold water up.
Water rests in water, where water supports water and makes the water neutrally buoyant.  However, if the oceans were to rise, air would start supporting multiple layers of water, which it cannot because it is not as dense.

Think of this.  If water were not part of anything, if there was only one water molecule, would it be weightless?

No.
It has weight.

Therefore, though a water molecule may be buoyant relative to the other water molecules supported on top of each other by the ground, they cannot rise  because each individual water molecule cannot be supported by air.

Because a water molecule cannot be supported by air, the bottom layer of the ocean cannot be supported by air.

Same for the next layer.

And the next.

And the next.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #591 on: November 02, 2007, 12:01:01 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 02, 2007, 08:28:37 AM
RE'ers still cannot find a water molecule within the oceans that is not, within the oceans.


All the water is buoyant and all of it is free to float away. Unless the world is flat of course.
WATER IS NOT BUOYANT IN AIR!



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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #592 on: November 02, 2007, 12:02:36 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 02, 2007, 10:16:51 AM
All the water remains within the oceans.

How does each molecule float freely, but as a whole cannot? Do you understand the Law of Sums? The oceans ARE the many molecules of water that are free to float. The oceans ARE free to float.
Because each molecule is atop another water molecule. Except on the bottom. It's on top of the ground there.
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« Reply #593 on: November 02, 2007, 12:03:01 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 02, 2007, 11:48:33 AM
Narc, are you saying air can support water?
Air is less dense than water.
It cannot hold water up.
Water rests in water, where water supports water and makes the water neutrally buoyant.  However, if the oceans were to rise, air would start supporting multiple layers of water, which it cannot because it is not as dense.

Think of this.  If water were not part of anything, if there was only one water molecule, would it be weightless?

No.
It has weight.

Therefore, though a water molecule may be buoyant relative to the other water molecules supported on top of each other by the ground, they cannot rise  because each individual water molecule cannot be supported by air.

Because a water molecule cannot be supported by air, the bottom layer of the ocean cannot be supported by air.

Same for the next layer.

And the next.

And the next.


The water doesn't need to be buoyant in air if it is buoyant within itself and remains within itself, which it does.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #594 on: November 02, 2007, 12:04:02 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 02, 2007, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 02, 2007, 11:48:33 AM
Narc, are you saying air can support water?
Air is less dense than water.
It cannot hold water up.
Water rests in water, where water supports water and makes the water neutrally buoyant.  However, if the oceans were to rise, air would start supporting multiple layers of water, which it cannot because it is not as dense.

Think of this.  If water were not part of anything, if there was only one water molecule, would it be weightless?

No.
It has weight.

Therefore, though a water molecule may be buoyant relative to the other water molecules supported on top of each other by the ground, they cannot rise  because each individual water molecule cannot be supported by air.

Because a water molecule cannot be supported by air, the bottom layer of the ocean cannot be supported by air.

Same for the next layer.

And the next.

And the next.


The water doesn't need to be buoyant in air if it is buoyant within itself and remains within itself, which it does.
Then how does it get up? Hm?
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #595 on: November 02, 2007, 12:05:28 PM »
Please don't spam this thread with your sexual innuendos
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #596 on: November 02, 2007, 12:45:29 PM »
The bottommost layer is buoyant on ground, not water.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #597 on: November 02, 2007, 12:52:31 PM »
Fine, don't take the easy way out.  Keep arguing.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #598 on: November 02, 2007, 01:07:19 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 02, 2007, 12:45:29 PM
The bottommost layer is buoyant on ground, not water.

it's not free to float into the upper layers of the fluid? Hmm, sounds exactly opposite what you RE'ers were saying before...
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #599 on: November 02, 2007, 01:17:51 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on November 02, 2007, 12:05:28 PM
Please don't spam this thread with your sexual innuendos
...pervert, it's your fault for seeing it that way.
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