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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #90 on: September 19, 2007, 11:08:04 AM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 09:19:51 AM
Offtopic and already discussed.

So far we have 5 pages of angry RE'ers, none of whom carry any valid counter-argument. Does this spell the end of their magical model?

Nope. 
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #91 on: September 19, 2007, 12:32:47 PM »
Water being weightless in water means that water will float on top of water, not on top of air. I like your manipulation, though, trying to confuse people with random jargon and irrelevant straw men, especially since it's actually fucking worked for five goddamn pages.

Society's going to hell.

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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #92 on: September 19, 2007, 12:35:05 PM »
Quote from: Diego, the Deviant Dick on September 19, 2007, 12:32:47 PM
Water being weightless in water means that water will float on top of water, not on top of air. I like your manipulation, though, trying to confuse people with random jargon and irrelevant straw men, especially since it's actually fucking worked for five goddamn pages.

Society's going to hell.

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And of course your post moves us all the closer to six pages.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #93 on: September 19, 2007, 12:37:30 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on September 19, 2007, 12:35:05 PM
Quote from: Diego, the Deviant Dick on September 19, 2007, 12:32:47 PM
Water being weightless in water means that water will float on top of water, not on top of air. I like your manipulation, though, trying to confuse people with random jargon and irrelevant straw men, especially since it's actually fucking worked for five goddamn pages.

Society's going to hell.

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And of course your post moves us all the closer to six pages.

Wow, you just attack fucking anybody, don't you? I'm right, though.

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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #94 on: September 19, 2007, 12:38:26 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 18, 2007, 02:24:02 PM
Okay all you smart RE'ers, how much does a pint of water weigh when in water.
A pint of water + more water = a lot of water = more weight!

Now let me put it in numbers so Narc can understand. I'm removing pint btw

10 lb of water + 20 lb of water = 30 lb of water = more weight

Now for one more equation.

Cold water + warm water = cold water moving to the bottom and cold water moving to the top until the equal the same temp.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #95 on: September 19, 2007, 12:39:16 PM »
YOUR HEAD ASPLODE!

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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #96 on: September 19, 2007, 12:40:51 PM »
Quote from: Diego, the Deviant Dick on September 19, 2007, 12:39:16 PM
YOUR HEAD ASPLODE!

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My head is pretty big :-*
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #97 on: September 19, 2007, 12:42:38 PM »
NARC HEAD ASPLODE

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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #98 on: September 19, 2007, 12:44:45 PM »
Quote from: Diego, the Deviant Dick on September 19, 2007, 12:42:38 PM
NARC HEAD ASPLODE

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Oh, my bad. :'( Now narc will see the truth, that is if he can read my bold print.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #99 on: September 19, 2007, 12:45:03 PM »
10 lbs. of water is 10 lbs. of water.
10 lbs. of water in water weighs 0 lbs.

All our oceans are water in water. Therefore all our oceans additively are a grand 0 lbs. So you have a choice:

1) The world is round and the oceans float away.
2) The world is flat and the oceans don't float away.


I'm surprised so many want to fight this losing battle.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #100 on: September 19, 2007, 12:46:31 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:45:03 PM
10 lbs. of water is 10 lbs. of water.
10 lbs. of water in water weighs 0 lbs.

All our oceans are water in water. Therefore all our oceans additively are a grand 0 lbs. So you have a choice:

1) The world is round and the oceans float away.
2) The world is flat and the oceans don't float away.


I'm surprised so many want to fight this losing battle.
I'm surprised you haven't killed yourself yet. 
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #101 on: September 19, 2007, 12:47:14 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:45:03 PM
10 lbs. of water is 10 lbs. of water.
10 lbs. of water in water weighs 0 lbs.

All our oceans are water in water. Therefore all our oceans additively are a grand 0 lbs. So you have a choice:

1) The world is round and the oceans float away.
2) The world is flat and the oceans don't float away.


I'm surprised so many want to fight this losing battle.
I'm surprised you didn't read my post Narc, or killed your self.

Anyway my choice is a mix of both. The world is round and the oceans don't float away.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2007, 12:48:00 PM »
You RE'ers are clones. How does it feel to be wrong (all of you) ?
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #103 on: September 19, 2007, 12:48:59 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
You RE'ers are clones. How does it feel to be wrong (all of you) ?

I'm not going to let you get to me.  So I will simply say, NOPE. 
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2007, 12:49:07 PM »
A pint of water + more water = a lot of water = more weight!

Now let me put it in numbers so Narc can understand. I'm removing pint btw

10 lb of water + 20 lb of water = 30 lb of water = more weight

Now for one more equation.

Cold water + warm water = cold water moving to the bottom and cold water moving to the top until the equal the same temp.

Because my last post is on the fifth page I will repost this for Narc.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2007, 12:52:09 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
You RE'ers are clones. How does it feel to be wrong (all of you) ?

Narc, your tactic has been called already, you might as well give this one up. Now you're just making yourself look like an ass.

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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #106 on: September 19, 2007, 12:54:34 PM »
Reposting it only makes you twice the idiot.

Quote from: flat_earth on September 19, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
A pint of water + more water = a lot of water = more weight!

Let's try it this way. Fill a milk jug (1 gallon container) with water (Hint to RE'ers, you will need to remove the milk from the container for this to work). Weigh it. Now submerse it into water. Weigh it. Notice we are not weighing the water it is contained in. Notice we are only dealing with the gallon. Notice you are an idiot. Notice it weighs 0 pounds.


Quote from: flat_earth on September 19, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
Now let me put it in numbers so Narc can understand. I'm removing pint btw

10 lb of water + 20 lb of water = 30 lb of water = more weight

Yeah, let's take a step back and reflect on your inability to understand the topic at hand. Notice you are an idiot.

Quote from: flat_earth on September 19, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
Now for one more equation.

Cold water + warm water = cold water moving to the bottom and cold water moving to the top until the equal the same temp.[/b]

Cold goes up and down? Notice this is not what we are talking about. Notice you are an idiot.

Thanks for populating the world with another RE'er, we need you guys to slow progress.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #107 on: September 19, 2007, 12:56:01 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 18, 2007, 07:59:53 AM
Let us consider the RE model, and please no giggling.

Their oceans. Consider a molecule of water anywhere in the ocean.

How much does this water molecule weigh?
How much volume does this water molecule displace?

What then is its buoyancy force?

Go ahead, figure it out... okay be lazy and I'll explain it. Every molecule in the ocean is perfectly buoyant. That is to say the buoyancy force is exactly opposite to the gravity force on it. This means the oceans are free from gravity.

Perplexed? Of course you are, you have never seen our oceans floating around our world like giant liquid clouds. They fill their container, starting from the lowest possible point. This can only be if the container is pushed into them. The earth MUST be accelerating into our oceans to prevent them from floating away.


Another victory for FE!!!

Let me just start by saying; My God this guy is thick.

Anyway. If you put a boat into water it floats. This is because a buoyancy force is created between the mean mass of the boat and the water. But the boat doesn't float away Because if it came out of the water the buoyancy due to the contact with water would be lost and gravity would take it's course.

Now lets say the same with water. It heats up due to the heat from the sun and evaporates. There you go narc, giant floating oceans, CLOUDS, they're just not a liquid. The prolem is once it's lost it's heat it must become a liquid again. When it's a liquid in the sky it's obviously going to fall back because there is no buoyancy force between air and water (except in extreme circumstances). This loss of buoyancy would also be true if a relatively unheated H2O molecule left the water, and would come into effect within 10^-15 meters (radius of atoms area) from the other water molecules. or Something like that anyway
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #108 on: September 19, 2007, 12:58:07 PM »
Quote from: vdp on September 19, 2007, 12:56:01 PM
If you put a boat into water it floats. This is because a buoyancy force is created between the mean mass of the boat and the water. But the boat doesn't float away Because if it came out of the water the buoyancy due to the contact with water would be lost and gravity would take it's course.

Except the oceans don't need to leave themself. They ARE the ocean. Whether they float or not, they are in the ocean. So your anology does not apply.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #109 on: September 19, 2007, 12:58:24 PM »
20 + -20 =0
Notice how 20 and -20 are not zero.  

Narc we get it, your 20k a year IT job is not what your thought it would be.  Watching the servers' blinking lights all day in boring so you come here.  But its getting old.  

Narc do you even know what the equation for weight is?  
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #110 on: September 19, 2007, 01:13:01 PM »

Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
Let's try it this way. Fill a milk jug (1 gallon container) with water (Hint to RE'ers, you will need to remove the milk from the container for this to work). Weigh it. Now submerse it into water. Weigh it. Notice we are not weighing the water it is contained in. Notice we are only dealing with the gallon. Notice you are an idiot. Notice it weighs 0 pounds.


so you admit your wrong. You admit that out of water, water has a weight and therefore falls back. But in water it does have a buoyancy. This applies on a miniscule scale, around 1 femtometre, which is why water has a visible surface. The distance a molecule gets from the surface before it falls back in is so small you couldn't see it even with a powerfull electron microscope.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #111 on: September 19, 2007, 01:13:43 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:54:34 PM
Reposting it only makes you twice the idiot.

Quote from: flat_earth on September 19, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
A pint of water + more water = a lot of water = more weight!

Let's try it this way. Fill a milk jug (1 gallon container) with water (Hint to RE'ers, you will need to remove the milk from the container for this to work). Weigh it. Now submerse it into water. Weigh it. Notice we are not weighing the water it is contained in. Notice we are only dealing with the gallon. Notice you are an idiot. Notice it weighs 0 pounds.

I've done something like this, put with glass cups. The weight would be more like this before and when it is sinking.

Before: Weighs say 1lb

During: weighs say .5lb: This is more like tying a rock to a helium balloon, less weight.

After: It will constantly sink until it reaches to the bottom, but the weight will be around the Before and During experiments.
 
Quote from: flat_earth on September 19, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
Now let me put it in numbers so Narc can understand. I'm removing pint btw

10 lb of water + 20 lb of water = 30 lb of water = more weight

Yeah, let's take a step back and reflect on your inability to understand the topic at hand. Notice you are an idiot.

10 + 20 = 30

This is first grade stuff

Quote from: flat_earth on September 19, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
Now for one more equation.

Cold water + warm water = cold water moving to the bottom and cold water moving to the top until the equal the same temp.[/b]

Cold goes up and down? Notice this is not what we are talking about. Notice you are an idiot.

Well yeah cold water does go up and down. Let me put it this way. Cold water has a heavy density of +1. Warm, though +1, has a small density from cold water. When cold water gains some heat it losses its density and begins to rise, though the cold water is still cold. Once warm water becomes less than 1 in density it turns to vapor and condenses into clouds

Thanks for populating the world with another RE'er, we need you guys to slow progress.

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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #112 on: September 19, 2007, 01:25:23 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:45:03 PM
10 lbs. of water is 10 lbs. of water.
10 lbs. of water in water weighs 0 lbs.

All our oceans are water in water. Therefore all our oceans additively are a grand 0 lbs. So you have a choice:

1) The world is round and the oceans float away.
2) The world is flat and the oceans don't float away.


I'm surprised so many want to fight this losing battle.

You keep ignoring my point. The oceans aren't in water, their made of water. They rest on the ocean floor. You ignore this with fingers in your ears, much like a 5 year-old.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #113 on: September 19, 2007, 01:27:04 PM »
Quote from: vdp on September 19, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
so you admit your wrong. You admit that out of water, water has a weight and therefore falls back. But in water it does have a buoyancy. This applies on a miniscule scale, around 1 femtometre, which is why water has a visible surface. The distance a molecule gets from the surface before it falls back in is so small you couldn't see it even with a powerfull electron microscope.
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:58:07 PM
Except the oceans don't need to leave themself. They ARE the ocean. Whether they float or not, they are in the ocean. So your anology does not apply.


Also, @flat_earth: you are the only one that thinks water will still weigh something in water. Figure out why you're wrong, than meet us here.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #114 on: September 19, 2007, 01:28:00 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: vdp on September 19, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
so you admit your wrong. You admit that out of water, water has a weight and therefore falls back. But in water it does have a buoyancy. This applies on a miniscule scale, around 1 femtometre, which is why water has a visible surface. The distance a molecule gets from the surface before it falls back in is so small you couldn't see it even with a powerfull electron microscope.
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:58:07 PM
Except the oceans don't need to leave themself. They ARE the ocean. Whether they float or not, they are in the ocean. So your anology does not apply.


Also, @flat_earth: you are the only one that thinks water will still weigh something in water. Figure out why you're wrong, than meet us here.
Well you can't weigh water in water, dumbfuck.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #115 on: September 19, 2007, 01:31:36 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: vdp on September 19, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
so you admit your wrong. You admit that out of water, water has a weight and therefore falls back. But in water it does have a buoyancy. This applies on a miniscule scale, around 1 femtometre, which is why water has a visible surface. The distance a molecule gets from the surface before it falls back in is so small you couldn't see it even with a powerfull electron microscope.
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 12:58:07 PM
Except the oceans don't need to leave themself. They ARE the ocean. Whether they float or not, they are in the ocean. So your anology does not apply.


Also, @flat_earth: you are the only one that thinks water will still weigh something in water. Figure out why you're wrong, than meet us here.
Wrong. I as well believe that the water weighs its normal amount regardless of its support. You've presented no logic or evidence otherwise. The description of weight and the science behind is available many places. And of course, TheEngineer would argue that the EP proves you wrong and that both models result in the same primary effects of the RE's gravity and the FE's acceleration.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #116 on: September 19, 2007, 01:59:13 PM »
Quote from: flat_earth on September 19, 2007, 01:28:00 PM
Well you can't weigh water in water, dumbfuck.

No, I can. You may not be able to. So let me educate you.

Get a bucket, and tie a rope to it.
Weigh them together, this is X.
Fill the bucket with water.
Dip the bucket in a tub filled with water such that the tub water reaches to the lip of the bucket without running over.
Hang the rope on a spring scale.
Read the ... oh. I see what you mean. Read the scale... you don't read do you?

AHA! Get someone to read the scale.
Subtract X from the reading.
Write '0' down on a peice of paper and kick yourself in the face.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #117 on: September 19, 2007, 02:01:21 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: flat_earth on September 19, 2007, 01:28:00 PM
Well you can't weigh water in water, dumbfuck.

No, I can. You may not be able to. So let me educate you.

Get a bucket, and tie a rope to it.
Weigh them together, this is X.
Fill the bucket with water.
Dip the bucket in a tub filled with water such that the tub water reaches to the lip of the bucket without running over.
Hang the rop on a spring scale.
Read the ... oh. I see what you mean. Read the scale... you don't read do you?

AHA! Get someone to read the scale.
Subtract X from the reading.
Write '0' down on a piece of paper and kick yourself in the face.
Wrong.

Weight is mass times gravity. 
What part, mass or gravity, is zero? 
Thats right, none. 
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #118 on: September 19, 2007, 02:04:35 PM »
Are you admitting the astronauts in the ISS are not weightless then?

You love proving yourself wrong don't you?


Anyhow, mass and weight are different. Oceans have mass yet no weight. They are free to float.
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Re: RE floating oceans.
« Reply #119 on: September 19, 2007, 02:08:32 PM »
Quote from: Smarticus on September 19, 2007, 02:04:35 PM
Are you admitting the astronauts in the ISS are not weightless then?

You love proving yourself wrong don't you?


Anyhow, mass and weight are different. Oceans have mass yet no weight. They are free to float.
So where did you get you education from?
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