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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2009, 09:43:21 PM »
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2009, 09:45:58 PM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:42:11 PM
Well, you're wrong. Just because I don't want to doesn't mean I can't.

Mass still isn't a dimension. If you understood the meaning of the word "dimension", you would know this.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2009, 09:53:20 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2009, 09:45:58 PM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:42:11 PM
Well, you're wrong. Just because I don't want to doesn't mean I can't.

Mass still isn't a dimension. If you understood the meaning of the word "dimension", you would know this.

I know it isn't a true dimension, but people also try to justify that time is a dimension, when it's not. It was an example, if you read you might see that.

Hence why I told you to figure it out on your own.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2009, 09:58:33 PM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:53:20 PM
I know it isn't a true dimension, but people also try to justify that time is a dimension, when it's not. It was an example, if you read you might see that.

But time is a dimension.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2009, 09:59:58 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2009, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:53:20 PM
I know it isn't a true dimension, but people also try to justify that time is a dimension, when it's not. It was an example, if you read you might see that.

But time is a concept.

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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2009, 11:06:38 AM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:53:20 PM
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2009, 09:45:58 PM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:42:11 PM
Well, you're wrong. Just because I don't want to doesn't mean I can't.

Mass still isn't a dimension. If you understood the meaning of the word "dimension", you would know this.

I know it isn't a true dimension, but people also try to justify that time is a dimension, when it's not. It was an example, if you read you might see that.

Hence why I told you to figure it out on your own.
* Hara Taiki sighs.
say you are going to meet up with friend. you've got the address and the time to meet. you show up, but two hours late and your friend wasn't there, why, becuase you showed up at the wrong time coordinate. time is a dimension.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2009, 11:12:18 AM »
Quote from: semperround on June 29, 2009, 11:06:38 AM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:53:20 PM
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2009, 09:45:58 PM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:42:11 PM
Well, you're wrong. Just because I don't want to doesn't mean I can't.

Mass still isn't a dimension. If you understood the meaning of the word "dimension", you would know this.

I know it isn't a true dimension, but people also try to justify that time is a dimension, when it's not. It was an example, if you read you might see that.

Hence why I told you to figure it out on your own.
* Hara Taiki sighs.
say you are going to meet up with friend. you've got the address and the time to meet. you show up, but two hours late and your friend wasn't there, why, becuase you showed up at the wrong time coordinate. time is a dimension.

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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2009, 11:13:39 AM »
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on September 23, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: me25 on September 23, 2007, 03:41:55 PM
I still think the 4th dimension is time, think about it, it's the only other way to measure an object that even comes close to seeming like a cube squared, plus, you can't accurately represent anything but the 3rd dimmension in this 3 dimmensional universe because even a piece of paper has to have some depth, so the dot, line and square are the shadows and the cube isn't even any different from the square.

It's more like half of a dimension, for we don't know if we can travel in the other direction.

This.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2009, 11:57:29 AM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 29, 2009, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on September 23, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: me25 on September 23, 2007, 03:41:55 PM
I still think the 4th dimension is time, think about it, it's the only other way to measure an object that even comes close to seeming like a cube squared, plus, you can't accurately represent anything but the 3rd dimmension in this 3 dimmensional universe because even a piece of paper has to have some depth, so the dot, line and square are the shadows and the cube isn't even any different from the square.

It's more like half of a dimension, for we don't know if we can travel in the other direction.

This.
we know we can slow it down.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2009, 12:11:28 PM »
it's irrelevant what we can do or can't do. as long as it is possible to define negative time (=past) and positive time (=future) for an arbitrary starting point it is a dimension.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2009, 12:18:55 PM »
Quote from: iznih on June 29, 2009, 12:11:28 PM
it's irrelevant what we can do or can't do. as long as it is possible to define negative time (=past) and positive time (=future) for an arbitrary starting point it is a dimension.
agreed.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2009, 03:33:23 PM »
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2009, 06:42:54 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 28, 2009, 09:10:13 PM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 28, 2009, 09:04:19 PM
Because it's quantifiable and not a concept such as time?

Not a concept? Please, enlighten me as to what exactly gives objects their mass.

What do you two define a dimension as?
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #73 on: June 30, 2009, 01:26:58 AM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 29, 2009, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on September 23, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
It's more like half of a dimension, for we don't know if we can travel in the other direction.

This.

Does that make the radial direction within the event horizon of a black hole half a dimension too?

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What do you two define a dimension as?

A natural parameter for which every possible value may be uniquely specified by some element of ℝ and which, along with all other dimensions, bijectively describes every point in some working space (I use the term "space" to mean the environment with which one is concerned, which may not have any spatial dimensions at all).
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #74 on: June 30, 2009, 08:10:33 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 30, 2009, 01:26:58 AM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on June 29, 2009, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on September 23, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
It's more like half of a dimension, for we don't know if we can travel in the other direction.

This.

Does that make the radial direction within the event horizon of a black hole half a dimension too?

You can't do that.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2009, 08:12:44 AM »
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2009, 08:15:12 AM »
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2009, 08:46:07 AM »
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 08:15:12 AM
Compare the two.

Yes I can. Both can only be travelled in one direction. If that is not your criterion for not considering time a dimension, then what is?
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #78 on: June 30, 2009, 09:40:39 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 30, 2009, 08:46:07 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 08:15:12 AM
Compare the two.

Yes I can. Both can only be travelled in one direction. If that is not your criterion for not considering time a dimension, then what is?

Because that's a specific case of a more general one.  We have neither a specific nor general case for travel back in time.  Please try again.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2009, 09:42:38 AM »
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 09:40:39 AM
Because that's a specific case of a more general one.  We have neither a specific nor general case for travel back in time.  Please try again.

How do you know there isn't a general case, and we are only able to observe a specific one?
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2009, 09:51:04 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 30, 2009, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 09:40:39 AM
Because that's a specific case of a more general one.  We have neither a specific nor general case for travel back in time.  Please try again.

How do you know there isn't a general case, and we are only able to observe a specific one?

Your agents are unclear.  Could you perhaps be more specific in your inquiry?
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #81 on: June 30, 2009, 10:00:53 AM »
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 09:51:04 AM
Your agents are unclear.  Could you perhaps be more specific in your inquiry?

In short, how can you be sure that it is not possible to travel to the past, which is known to exist?
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2009, 10:23:43 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 30, 2009, 10:00:53 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 09:51:04 AM
Your agents are unclear.  Could you perhaps be more specific in your inquiry?

In short, how can you be sure that it is not possible to travel to the past, which is known to exist?
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on September 23, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
It's more like half of a dimension, for we don't know if we can travel in the other direction.

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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2009, 10:47:02 AM »
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on June 30, 2009, 10:00:53 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 09:51:04 AM
Your agents are unclear.  Could you perhaps be more specific in your inquiry?

In short, how can you be sure that it is not possible to travel to the past, which is known to exist?
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on September 23, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
It's more like half of a dimension, for we don't know if we can travel in the other direction.

???

See:

Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 09:40:39 AM
Because that's a specific case of a more general one.  We have neither a specific nor general case for travel back in time.  Please try again.

How do you know there is not a more general situation than our present one, allowing for bidirectional (or perhaps even omnidirectional) movement through time? Indeed, special relativity would predict just such a thing.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #84 on: June 30, 2009, 10:50:15 AM »
I'm pretty sure I said "we don't know" in something you should have read twice now.  What the Hell is wrong with you?
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2009, 10:51:18 AM »
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 10:50:15 AM
I'm pretty sure I said "we don't know" in something you should have read twice now.  What the Hell is wrong with you?

Your more recent statement trumps your earlier one.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2009, 10:53:48 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 30, 2009, 10:51:18 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 10:50:15 AM
I'm pretty sure I said "we don't know" in something you should have read twice now.  What the Hell is wrong with you?

Your more recent statement trumps your earlier one.

Quit mocking my font choice.

While theory is all well and good, what we rely on most is empirical evidence.  Have you found a tachyon yet?
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2009, 11:14:38 AM »
I see it like this, technically our galaxy is moving so fast in a direction that no matter what we do we can no change our general direction or speed. At most we can slow our speed down a tiny bit.

Maybe our time traveling is due to momentum, we can only go in one direction because we are unable to reverse our path.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2009, 11:19:03 AM »
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 10:53:48 AM
While theory is all well and good, what we rely on most is empirical evidence.  Have you found a tachyon yet?

I don't see that this is relevant.
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Re: Dimensions
« Reply #89 on: June 30, 2009, 11:20:40 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 30, 2009, 11:19:03 AM
Quote from: BOGWarrior89 on June 30, 2009, 10:53:48 AM
While theory is all well and good, what we rely on most is empirical evidence.  Have you found a tachyon yet?

I don't see that this is relevant.

I say the same about this current non-discussion.  Shame on you, Robosteve.  Shame on you.
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