It's official: religion is child abuse

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I wish that guy would just hurry up and die already.

I just about puked in the end, and not just because that little girl is ugly and a terrible singer.

**It's just a nickname, and it's main purpose was to take  the mickey out of a mate. I'm straight.

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This video does show a lot of what happens in almost every religion. I can't say that all religions have songs so contradictory as that. I mean, one minute they say we're all together and will win, another they say to the good guys to stop sinning, then they say it is too late for us all......

And at the end of the day; this is what it would have been like I'd say. That is, had it not been for God sending his sone Jesus to die to forgive all our sins. Yes, this religion is child abuse; well, as I said; most religions do this; with the "get them while their young" frame of mind; hence all these schools and church child things and whatever.

Having said this; I do stand by it being a bit far-fetched to say that religion is child-abuse. Religion is answers. These answers being told to kids is accepted without question as gospel, and is affectively brainwashing. As we grow up, we question this though, as the philosophy aspect is introduced to us. So saying that this brainwashing is child abuse; is a touch too strong to say; as effectively all you say to a child at that age is brainwashing them in one way or another, so could be percieved as abusive nature. This brings up the question as to right/wrong, good/bad, which means I must bring up the Shakespear quote "Nothing is good or bad, thinking makes it so."

Look, all I'm getting at is that religion is as much brainwashing, and to a point of view, abusing kids as television shows are. The ones that have kids that age jumping up infront of the tele singing, and repeating certain rules given in rhyme format for example. Rules and regulations; morals, things people do; it all brainwashes for good and bad; and all negativity is effectively child abuse.

This is where the laws on child abuse get leanient; as when the persons brainwashed grow up, they learn to question things and may go to a totally different path; I and I know of many such people who have. People develop a philosophical nature; and go in search of these true questions.

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion, is answers that may never be questioned.

homosexualleader: There are also the Jesus camps, the hell houses, the sexual neurosis, sex miseducation, the violation of trust, the distorted ethics, the homophobia, the heredity of separate moral communities, creationism, denial of environmental problems; parents who teach their kids to 'refute' global warming, paranoid belief in the Second Coming, and so many other tragedies...

How does religion cause this and not simply neurotic delusional people?

No one fucking put a bag over their heads and brought them to the church so they would happily sing about God hating the world.

I don't understand this whole paranoia of religion.  Does it make you, as a person, feel better to blame the faults and insecurities of man on a (voluntary) institution such as religion?  Maybe for Islam or some religions in Africa which would get you killed in some parts of the world, but not here.  Even if you're brought up under those beliefs, if you don't have the independence, morality, or intelligence to break away from such insane claims, then you belong there with the other people who can't break free of their own delusions.

And don't give me shit about parents indoctrinating kids.  We're all indoctrinated in someway or another.  Just because they're indoctrinated in a way we dislike doesn't make it any worse than a parent indoctrinating a son to believe solely in science, regardless of if its better off or not.  We look at shit like this, and we take it.  We definitely do not need to recognize these people, specifically, as some form of valid religious institution.  They're a religious order like a trailer park is a neighborhood.

Mephistopheles- is religion anything but culturally hereditary neurosis and delusion?

The rest of your post is really rather silly. You're indifferent to whether the next generation is indoctrinated with, say, Nazism or Aztec sun-worship?

Paranoia of religion is simple. Since religion, and their closeted belief in it, does not accept their actions, they need to get people to applaud their moral deviance. Somehow this gives them security.

Paranoia of religion is simple. Since religion, and their closeted belief in it, does not accept their actions, they need to get people to applaud their moral deviance. Somehow this gives them security.

tl;dr

Quote from: narcberry on September 14, 2007, 01:52:48 PM

Paranoia of religion is simple. Since religion, and their closeted belief in it, does not accept their actions, they need to get people to applaud their moral deviance. Somehow this gives them security.

too long; could't read.

There, let's be honest, shall we?

Mephistopheles- is religion anything but culturally hereditary neurosis and delusion?

The rest of your post is really rather silly. You're indifferent to whether the next generation is indoctrinated with, say, Nazism or Aztec sun-worship?

Indifferent?  Where did I say I was indifferent?  And no, religion is merely a belief system.  People merely delude themselves into believing it, because "realistically" (scientifically realistically) speaking the supernatural is unreasonable.

Where you picked up indifference is where you stopped trying to see the difference between realizing the futility of admonishing parents for indoctrinating their children and simply not caring about it.  I clearly demonstrated the former.  Regardless if a child is a human being, it will be the parents' responsibility unless they are incapable of doing so.  This is not going to change any time soon.  If some parent indoctrinates his kid with nazism it is unfortunate, but unavoidable.  Trying to think otherwise is delusional in and of itself as you start to move into utopian ideals of child raising.  By that point you pretty much give up the parent system in favor of a government-mandated daycare system, so-to-speak with perhaps a mandatory family unit for development with no true bonds.

And we're going a little off topic with that.  I merely included that in my original post because I anticipated that someone would try to contest me with that point.

Crystal Meph- you drew an equivalence between a child being indoctrinated "in a way we don't like" (e.g. Christian fundamentalism, Nazism...) and a child being taught science. Do I detect relativism?

**It's just a nickname, and it's main purpose was to take  the mickey out of a mate. I'm straight.

Quote from: Ubuntu on September 08, 2007, 01:08:49 PM

See this video

This video does show a lot of what happens in almost every religion.

You have a warped view of religion.

http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/ex-child-bride-testifies-at-jeffs-trial/20070913172109990001

That's so disgusting. 

Yeah, no kidding. I hope that guy gets raped every day in prison for the rest of his life.

Now, }THIS[/url" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> is more like child abuse/indoctrination (yes, I know, Jesus Camp has aready been mentioned here).

That particular Jesus Camp is closed now. Thank God.

When i was younger i went to a church where the people would speak in "tongues" sometimes. Which means they would yammer incoherently inspired by the holy spirit.

When i was younger i went to a church where the people would speak in "tongues" sometimes. Which means they would yammer incoherently inspired by the holy spirit.

The subconscious can sometimes play really interesting tricks, especially if the 'proper' stimulants are applied to one.

Quote from: Raist on September 15, 2007, 10:57:17 PM

When i was younger i went to a church where the people would speak in "tongues" sometimes. Which means they would yammer incoherently inspired by the holy spirit.

The subconscious can sometimes play really interesting tricks, especially if the 'proper' stimulants are applied to one.

Lol yeah.

I have a horrific story from an hour ago. Completely off topic but, I snuck out to this girls house, and we did naturally what teens do at 1 am when they are alone right? So we finish and i go to the bathroom and i'm COVERED in blood, apparently she was used to smaller guys and i had "torn" her. It was the most messed up ride home. I was smoking the whole way.

Crystal Meph- you drew an equivalence between a child being indoctrinated "in a way we don't like" (e.g. Christian fundamentalism, Nazism...) and a child being taught science. Do I detect relativism?

I'm detecting relativism in you.  How is indoctrination only good sometimes and not others?  Since we dislike indoctrination in the instance of kids with religion because it essentially overturns their own search of interests, beliefs, and knowledge, then it shouldn't matter what the child is being indoctrinated with.  If it remains the same, then its BAD, and just because its science doesn't remove the whole "overturns their own search of interests, beliefs, and knowledge" part.

Quote from: Ubuntu on September 14, 2007, 03:13:43 PM

Crystal Meph- you drew an equivalence between a child being indoctrinated "in a way we don't like" (e.g. Christian fundamentalism, Nazism...) and a child being taught science. Do I detect relativism?

I'm detecting relativism in you.  How is indoctrination only good sometimes and not others?  Since we dislike indoctrination in the instance of kids with religion because it essentially overturns their own search of interests, beliefs, and knowledge, then it shouldn't matter what the child is being indoctrinated with.  If it remains the same, then its BAD, and just because its science doesn't remove the whole "overturns their own search of interests, beliefs, and knowledge" part.

Teaching science is telling them, this is what we have analytically proven and believe to be true. While religion on the other hand is saying this is true no matter what and you have to believe it or you will burn in hell forever.


Science isn't really taught as an indoctrination, stupid kids simply perceive it that way. I've never had a teacher in science say "This is absolutely true, there is no way to prove it wrong."

Quote from: nicolin on September 15, 2007, 11:03:40 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 15, 2007, 10:57:17 PM

When i was younger i went to a church where the people would speak in "tongues" sometimes. Which means they would yammer incoherently inspired by the holy spirit.

The subconscious can sometimes play really interesting tricks, especially if the 'proper' stimulants are applied to one.

Lol yeah.

I have a horrific story from an hour ago. Completely off topic but, I snuck out to this girls house, and we did naturally what teens do at 1 am when they are alone right? So we finish and i go to the bathroom and i'm COVERED in blood, apparently she was used to smaller guys and i had "torn" her. It was the most messed up ride home. I was smoking the whole way.

Noper doodles. She was on the Rag and to embarrassed to tell you.If you had tore her to the extent that you were covered in blood, she woulda been like... stop. No more.

Teaching science is telling them, this is what we have analytically proven and believe to be true. While religion on the other hand is saying this is true no matter what and you have to believe it or you will burn in hell forever.


Science isn't really taught as an indoctrination, stupid kids simply perceive it that way. I've never had a teacher in science say "This is absolutely true, there is no way to prove it wrong."

That's true, but that wasn't what I was talking about.  I'm talking about parents driving absolute truth into kids' heads.  They do it with all kinds of beliefs.

Quote from: Raist on September 15, 2007, 11:08:43 PM

Quote from: nicolin on September 15, 2007, 11:03:40 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 15, 2007, 10:57:17 PM

When i was younger i went to a church where the people would speak in "tongues" sometimes. Which means they would yammer incoherently inspired by the holy spirit.

The subconscious can sometimes play really interesting tricks, especially if the 'proper' stimulants are applied to one.

Lol yeah.

I have a horrific story from an hour ago. Completely off topic but, I snuck out to this girls house, and we did naturally what teens do at 1 am when they are alone right? So we finish and i go to the bathroom and i'm COVERED in blood, apparently she was used to smaller guys and i had "torn" her. It was the most messed up ride home. I was smoking the whole way.

Noper doodles. She was on the Rag and to embarrassed to tell you.If you had tore her to the extent that you were covered in blood, she woulda been like... stop. No more.

No she was on the rag last weekend. and she did ask me to stop lol....

How does religion cause this and not simply neurotic delusional people?

No one fucking put a bag over their heads and brought them to the church so they would happily sing about God hating the world.

I don't understand this whole paranoia of religion.  Does it make you, as a person, feel better to blame the faults and insecurities of man on a (voluntary) institution such as religion?  Maybe for Islam or some religions in Africa which would get you killed in some parts of the world, but not here.  Even if you're brought up under those beliefs, if you don't have the independence, morality, or intelligence to break away from such insane claims, then you belong there with the other people who can't break free of their own delusions.

And don't give me shit about parents indoctrinating kids.  We're all indoctrinated in someway or another.  Just because they're indoctrinated in a way we dislike doesn't make it any worse than a parent indoctrinating a son to believe solely in science, regardless of if its better off or not.  We look at shit like this, and we take it.  We definitely do not need to recognize these people, specifically, as some form of valid religious institution.  They're a religious order like a trailer park is a neighborhood.

Children are impressionable. They grow up as robots.

Quote from: Ubuntu on September 14, 2007, 03:13:43 PM

Crystal Meph- you drew an equivalence between a child being indoctrinated "in a way we don't like" (e.g. Christian fundamentalism, Nazism...) and a child being taught science. Do I detect relativism?

I'm detecting relativism in you.  How is indoctrination only good sometimes and not others?  Since we dislike indoctrination in the instance of kids with religion because it essentially overturns their own search of interests, beliefs, and knowledge, then it shouldn't matter what the child is being indoctrinated with.  If it remains the same, then its BAD, and just because its science doesn't remove the whole "overturns their own search of interests, beliefs, and knowledge" part.

What is indoctrination? Wikipedia says it's "Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned." Science could be defined as critical examination, so an education in science is not indoctrination.

Quote from: The Second Prettiest FES Person on September 16, 2007, 08:21:35 AM

Quote from: Raist on September 15, 2007, 11:08:43 PM

Quote from: nicolin on September 15, 2007, 11:03:40 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 15, 2007, 10:57:17 PM

When i was younger i went to a church where the people would speak in "tongues" sometimes. Which means they would yammer incoherently inspired by the holy spirit.

The subconscious can sometimes play really interesting tricks, especially if the 'proper' stimulants are applied to one.

Lol yeah.

I have a horrific story from an hour ago. Completely off topic but, I snuck out to this girls house, and we did naturally what teens do at 1 am when they are alone right? So we finish and i go to the bathroom and i'm COVERED in blood, apparently she was used to smaller guys and i had "torn" her. It was the most messed up ride home. I was smoking the whole way.

Noper doodles. She was on the Rag and to embarrassed to tell you.If you had tore her to the extent that you were covered in blood, she woulda been like... stop. No more.

No she was on the rag last weekend. and she did ask me to stop lol....

And people say I advocate rape.

Quote from: Raist on September 17, 2007, 12:54:18 PM

Quote from: The Second Prettiest FES Person on September 16, 2007, 08:21:35 AM

Quote from: Raist on September 15, 2007, 11:08:43 PM

Quote from: nicolin on September 15, 2007, 11:03:40 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 15, 2007, 10:57:17 PM

When i was younger i went to a church where the people would speak in "tongues" sometimes. Which means they would yammer incoherently inspired by the holy spirit.

The subconscious can sometimes play really interesting tricks, especially if the 'proper' stimulants are applied to one.

Lol yeah.

I have a horrific story from an hour ago. Completely off topic but, I snuck out to this girls house, and we did naturally what teens do at 1 am when they are alone right? So we finish and i go to the bathroom and i'm COVERED in blood, apparently she was used to smaller guys and i had "torn" her. It was the most messed up ride home. I was smoking the whole way.

Noper doodles. She was on the Rag and to embarrassed to tell you.If you had tore her to the extent that you were covered in blood, she woulda been like... stop. No more.

No she was on the rag last weekend. and she did ask me to stop lol....

And people say I advocate rape.

Well it wasn't in a oh ow stop way. It was in a oh my god slow down way.

(plus if they blink twice that's irrevocable consent.)