how did this happen

Quote from: Gulliver on September 17, 2007, 12:03:13 PM

Quote from: Narcberry on September 17, 2007, 11:59:59 AM

Quote from: ash bash on September 17, 2007, 11:57:13 AM

ok. i am not saying that the droplets have thier own gravity. i am saying that in zero g there is no gravity to affect the shape of the drop. also, when you say that my theory is wrong because the earth was not made by god splashing around in his tub and it is not all water. well, before the earth was solid, it was liquid, and before that it was dust thatw as pulled into a sphere by its own gravity

Let's just ignore the fact that surface tension has been said over 4 times now and consider this:

What would dirt do in the vacuum of space? Form a dirt droplet?

You miss the point.

Regardless of the congealing force, whether surface tension over a short time or gravity over a long time, the shape that matter will congeal into, assuming no other forces acting, is a sphere.

If it is by surface tension, then dirt would not, because it has no surface tension.


(ok i'm feeling sorry for the other side of this debate, there is a giant whole in logic on my side. Dirt is decomposing plant matter and the Earth did not form out of it. It formed out of rock, molten rock. Also it was massive enough to have its own gravity. Why not use a gaseous planet as an example of gravity forming a sphere? People learn to evolve with a debate, not use the same argument even after it was debunked)

You miss the point.

Regardless of the congealing force, whether surface tension over a short time or gravity over a long time, the shape that matter will congeal into, assuming no other forces acting, is a sphere.

Quote from: Gulliver on September 17, 2007, 12:03:13 PM

You miss the point.

Regardless of the congealing force, whether surface tension over a short time or gravity over a long time, the shape that matter will congeal into, assuming no other forces acting, is a sphere.

Explain comets. Why do they not form spheres? Or the asteroid belt in our solar system. Why are the asteroids not spheres?

Even in RE, solid matter won't form a sphere until it has an impressive amount of gravity.

So you're saying the earth should be round because that's what your model predicts. Well your model is also based on the idea that the earth is round. You're not making much progress with that argument.

Quote from: Narcberry on September 17, 2007, 12:42:13 PM

Quote from: Gulliver on September 17, 2007, 12:03:13 PM

You miss the point.

Regardless of the congealing force, whether surface tension over a short time or gravity over a long time, the shape that matter will congeal into, assuming no other forces acting, is a sphere.

Explain comets. Why do they not form spheres? Or the asteroid belt in our solar system. Why are the asteroids not spheres?

Even in RE, solid matter won't form a sphere until it has an impressive amount of gravity.

So you're saying the earth should be round because that's what your model predicts. Well your model is also based on the idea that the earth is round. You're not making much progress with that argument.

Do tell us what comets didn't form as a sphere.
Do tell us what asteroids didn't form as a sphere.
Do tell us how you moved from my comment about planets to planetesimals? Nice dodge though!

1 Do tell us what comets didn't form as a sphere.
2 Do tell us what asteroids didn't form as a sphere.
3 Do tell us how you moved from my comment about planets to planetesimals? Nice dodge though!

Quote from: Gulliver on September 17, 2007, 12:46:25 PM

1 Do tell us what comets didn't form as a sphere.
2 Do tell us what asteroids didn't form as a sphere.
3 Do tell us how you moved from my comment about planets to planetesimals? Nice dodge though!

Your retardation is frustrating. I've inserting numbers in bold to the quote.

3 This is the topic at hand, also you are a retard. Your point (both of you) is that matter forms into spheres, like water droplets in 0 gravity. However, this is only the case, RE model, when gravity over some k is acheived. Or in other words, when matter forms a planet or planetoid. Your argument was: Earth is a sphere because matter forms spheres. But translated through the RE-anti-retarded-assumption-matrix we get the argument: Earth should be a sphere because planets are spheres and earth is a planet. So your assuming your assertion, congratulations you're retarded.

I reserve the right to use evidence my opponents accept. Are you saying you don't accept NASA images?

Gulliver: to argue anything while forming an opinion.

How about you figure out what it is you are trying to argue, then rejoin us.

I reserve the right to use evidence my opponents accept. Are you saying you don't accept NASA images?

Gulliver: to argue anything while forming an opinion.

How about you figure out what it is you are trying to argue, then rejoin us.

Quote from: Narcberry on September 17, 2007, 01:49:04 PM

I reserve the right to use evidence my opponents accept. Are you saying you don't accept NASA images?

Gulliver: to argue anything while forming an opinion.

How about you figure out what it is you are trying to argue, then rejoin us.

You're welcome to be a hypocrite like so many other FEers.

I know what I'm arguing quite well. You just don't seem to be able to read or back up your claims. You're sad.

Quote from: Gulliver on September 17, 2007, 01:56:53 PM

Quote from: Narcberry on September 17, 2007, 01:49:04 PM

I reserve the right to use evidence my opponents accept. Are you saying you don't accept NASA images?

Gulliver: to argue anything while forming an opinion.

How about you figure out what it is you are trying to argue, then rejoin us.

You're welcome to be a hypocrite like so many other FEers.

I know what I'm arguing quite well. You just don't seem to be able to read or back up your claims. You're sad.

So far your argument is "you're cheating" and "I never said that, you inferred that from the insinuations i was making, FALLACY!"

So what is your point about things forming spheres if not linking that to the Earth forms a sphere?

Gulliver: my point is nebulous and shifting. Whatever you support, I oppose. Argue with me long enough and I will support your original claim. Incedentally, I attended the american public school system.

You horrible person. Oxygen contains free radicals that can cause cancer. I might report you to a mod for that death threat.

Quote from: Narcberry on September 17, 2007, 01:49:04 PM

I reserve the right to use evidence my opponents accept. Are you saying you don't accept NASA images?

Gulliver: to argue anything while forming an opinion.

How about you figure out what it is you are trying to argue, then rejoin us.

You're welcome to be a hypocrite like so many other FEers.

I know what I'm arguing quite well. You just don't seem to be able to read or back up your claims. You're sad.

How would the Earth for a sphere if it's an infinite plane?

How would the Earth for a sphere if it's an infinite plane?

How would the Earth for a sphere if it's an infinite plane?

Narc, you just shot yourself in the foot, more blatantly than I thought even you could.

An analogy would be pointing out that a bible nut who claims to live by scripture is actually contradicted by passages within the bible. It doesn't mean that you therefore have to believe what's in the bible; you're simply pointing out that someones views are not even consistent with the beliefs they claim to hold.

For those just joining us:

RE'ers claim the earth should be round because planets are round and earth is a planet.
They are also refuting the use of NASA evidence.

You realize the irony of your last sentence, yes?

Narcberry is one of the loudest mouths regarding NASA and it (nasa) using fake images. He cannot then, postulate an argument, using NASA images as support for his claim, as he believes anything NASA has done imagery-based to be false.

Gulliver pointed that out.

Your attempt at being intelligent and subvert a decent argument has now been left bleeding on the floor.

Quote from: Smarticus on September 18, 2007, 11:07:30 AM

For those just joining us:

RE'ers claim the earth should be round because planets are round and earth is a planet.
They are also refuting the use of NASA evidence.

For those just joining us:
Nope.
Nope.
dingleberry makes stupid statements and inane arguments all of the time.

Quote from: Gulliver on September 18, 2007, 12:12:44 PM

Quote from: Smarticus on September 18, 2007, 11:07:30 AM

For those just joining us:

RE'ers claim the earth should be round because planets are round and earth is a planet.
They are also refuting the use of NASA evidence.

For those just joining us:
Nope.
Nope.
dingleberry makes stupid statements and inane arguments all of the time.

Here, this should be futile.

Gulliver, what is your argument?
Gulliver, do you accept NASA evidence?