The problem with the Big Bang

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The problem with the Big Bang
« on: September 05, 2007, 07:35:02 AM »
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The Situation
Prior to the big bang, our known universe+ was squished into a singularity. As a singularity, there were several charactaristics that raise an eyebrow. These are:

  • At that pressure, no elements exist. Theoretically, all matter was in the form of whatever the simplest atomic structure, whether that is quarks or some other unknown building block.
  • All matter occupied the same space, literally indistinguishable from the next piece of matter.

The result was a uniform mixture of the most basic building blocks, pressureized to an infinite pressure, and distributed over no space.

When the pressure reached too great an infinity  ???, the singularity exploded.

Problem 1
When the singularity exploded, what was the determining factor that decided the direction each peice of matter exploded in?

Problem 2
How did a uniform mixture explode into a non-uniform Universe where no two identical superatomic (no two planets, stars, asteroids, or gaseous clusters are alike) objects exist, and furthermore, no uniform distribution of matter across the universe?
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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 08:54:17 AM »
I will now win the forum:

The Big Bang is a theory, not a proven reality. Thus, your questions are conjecture, regardless of what we know today.

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narcberry

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2007, 10:18:54 AM »
It is almost as if they are questions about a theory.

Answering your own questions does not satisfy the winning requirement. You must answer mine.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 10:21:02 AM »
There alot more problems with big bang, for example, at the time quarks were supposedly forming, there was not enough room in the entire universe to hold them.
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narcberry

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 10:22:09 AM »
There alot more problems with big bang, for example, at the time quarks were supposedly forming, there was not enough room in the entire universe to hold them.

Never heard that before, sounds interesting.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 10:23:10 AM »
It is almost as if they are questions about a theory.

Answering your own questions does not satisfy the winning requirement. You must answer mine.

You did not ask a question that is answerable without stroking your false ego. Nor did you ask any question that has no readily available answer. Nor does the answer have any means of being refuted. Nor will you get it.
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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 10:25:05 AM »
There alot more problems with big bang, for example, at the time quarks were supposedly forming, there was not enough room in the entire universe to hold them.

The universe is limited?
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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 10:26:48 AM »
There alot more problems with big bang, for example, at the time quarks were supposedly forming, there was not enough room in the entire universe to hold them.

The universe is limited?

By time, not by space.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2007, 10:29:49 AM »
There alot more problems with big bang, for example, at the time quarks were supposedly forming, there was not enough room in the entire universe to hold them.

The universe is limited?

By time, not by space.

LMAO
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narcberry

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2007, 10:35:27 AM »
There alot more problems with big bang, for example, at the time quarks were supposedly forming, there was not enough room in the entire universe to hold them.

The universe is limited?

By time, not by space.

LMAO

Oh forgot I was directing my comments at the peanut gallery.

At certain stages of the universe formation (after the big bang) the universe is only as big as the matter can travel in that time period (subluminal). Given more time, the universe has more space.

This is using the definition of universe meaning our big bang system, not the entirety of space.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2007, 10:44:07 AM »
There alot more problems with big bang, for example, at the time quarks were supposedly forming, there was not enough room in the entire universe to hold them.

The universe is limited?

By time, not by space.

LMAO

Oh forgot I was directing my comments at the peanut gallery.

At certain stages of the universe formation (after the big bang) the universe is only as big as the matter can travel in that time period (subluminal). Given more time, the universe has more space.

This is using the definition of universe meaning our big bang system, not the entirety of space.

Were you there at the formation?
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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2007, 10:46:42 AM »
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Answering your own questions does not satisfy the winning requirement. You must answer mine.

I thought you'd be proud someone understood your debating skills so well?

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2007, 10:47:47 AM »
Why isn't this in AS or CN?
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2007, 01:34:52 PM »
What's the use in discussing how the universe was created? Besides curiosity.

The way I see it is, we're here now, and we're going to die, and our life-times aren't going to be very important in the whole scale of things.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2007, 01:44:25 PM »
What's the use in discussing how the universe was created? Besides curiosity.

The way I see it is, we're here now, and we're going to die, and our life-times aren't going to be very important in the whole scale of things.

Well it doesn't immediately benefit the human race. But for indefinate survival we need to know how to interact with whatever cycles, if any, our universe goes through.

Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2007, 01:50:28 PM »
What's the use in discussing how the universe was created? Besides curiosity.

The way I see it is, we're here now, and we're going to die, and our life-times aren't going to be very important in the whole scale of things.

Well it doesn't immediately benefit the human race. But for indefinate survival we need to know how to interact with whatever cycles, if any, our universe goes through.

Forgive me for being ignorant, but are you suggesting that the universe could go through another big bang? If so, what could we do about it?

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2007, 01:53:09 PM »
What's the use in discussing how the universe was created? Besides curiosity.

The way I see it is, we're here now, and we're going to die, and our life-times aren't going to be very important in the whole scale of things.

Well it doesn't immediately benefit the human race. But for indefinate survival we need to know how to interact with whatever cycles, if any, our universe goes through.

Forgive me for being ignorant, but are you suggesting that the universe could go through another big bang? If so, what could we do about it?

The two most popular opinions about the big bang are:
1) The universe will slow and eventually recollapse.
2) The universe will continue to expand forever.

What can we do about it? Well if #2 is the case, than extinction of us and all life is ineviteable.  :'( go ahead and cry too. If it is #1 there are several plans, but none are seriously considered due to the timeframe involved. But "what can we do about it" is an important question that will have to be answered one day if we are to survive.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2007, 01:55:29 PM »
Forgive me for being ignorant, but are you suggesting that the universe could go through another big bang? If so, what could we do about it?

Have a party.
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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2007, 01:57:31 PM »
Forgive me for being ignorant, but are you suggesting that the universe could go through another big bang? If so, what could we do about it?

Have a party.

The pentagon has this as a potential scenario filed under "big-bang." And people say money doesn't slip through government fingers.

Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2007, 01:57:42 PM »
Forgive me for being ignorant, but are you suggesting that the universe could go through another big bang? If so, what could we do about it?

Have a party.


Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2007, 04:57:06 PM »
Correctly answering the following problems constitutes winning the Flat Earth Society Forums.
"Winning" like in owning the Forums?
I can answer in private to those questions but I would have to kill the recipient afterwards. It's part of a secret knowledge :)
PS: The books of Stephen Hawking shed some light? Especially this one.
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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2007, 05:46:31 AM »
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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2007, 05:52:45 AM »
This universe stuff is really weird.
WHERE would it be able to expand?

There's no space to expand. This universe could be a point at the end of a sentence, but it's still all matter...


Eh, if it's any consolation, I have no idea what I'm saying either.
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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2007, 08:14:40 PM »
This universe stuff is really weird.
WHERE would it be able to expand?

There's no space to expand. This universe could be a point at the end of a sentence, but it's still all matter...


Eh, if it's any consolation, I have no idea what I'm saying either.

The universe being everything can expand infinitely. Since it is inside nothing, it needs no space to expand, especially when you realize it IS space.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2007, 08:48:01 PM »
The universe being everything can expand infinitely. Since it is inside nothing, it needs no space to expand, especially when you realize it IS space.

Behold, your RE'er.

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Re: The problem with the Big Bang
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2007, 08:53:06 PM »
I will now win the forum:

The Big Bang is a theory, not a proven reality. Thus, your questions are conjecture, regardless of what we know today.

OMG HE DOES IT DAILY!
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.