Conspiracy

 If the "All-knowing FAQ" is correct, the riddle me this FE'ers: The existence of the conspiracy must mean every single country is working in tandem. If so, how would every country cope with all the wars and such. Eventually one would break off and explain how the world is flat and reveal such secrets but has it happened? No. Reason: The nations wouldn't work together to conceal such a fact. The whole conspiracy is a conspiracy planted in your minds by the all-knowing FAQ. If you were president, would you take the time to make sure fake terrorists could bomb on 9/11 and according? Because, according to the FAQ, the nations are "Faking" being all mixed up. One of the many reasons is going to be this,"The US didn't get live people in the World Trade Centers. The clips were faked and-" 3 OF MY BEST FRIENDS DIED! DO YOU THINK, THAT THE NATIONS WOULD WORK TOGETHER TO KILL MILLIONS DURING THE WORLD WARS, VIETNAM! ALL THE WARS!? JUST, to keep a theory? Post you ridiculous ideas to try and rid this forum of me after the "You can suck my*beep*" sound.

What two countries with space programs have ever fought against each other in a war?

That's right. None.

*points to Russia, the US, and several others* And you STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE OTHER QUESTIONS!

If the "All-knowing FAQ" is correct, the riddle me this FE'ers: The existence of the conspiracy must mean every single country is working in tandem. If so, how would every country cope with all the wars and such. Eventually one would break off and explain how the world is flat and reveal such secrets but has it happened? No. Reason: The nations wouldn't work together to conceal such a fact. The whole conspiracy is a conspiracy planted in your minds by the all-knowing FAQ. If you were president, would you take the time to make sure fake terrorists could bomb on 9/11 and according? Because, according to the FAQ, the nations are "Faking" being all mixed up. One of the many reasons is going to be this,"The US didn't get live people in the World Trade Centers. The clips were faked and-" 3 OF MY BEST FRIENDS DIED! DO YOU THINK, THAT THE NATIONS WOULD WORK TOGETHER TO KILL MILLIONS DURING THE WORLD WARS, VIETNAM! ALL THE WARS!? JUST, to keep a theory? Post you ridiculous ideas to try and rid this forum of me after the "You can suck my*beep*" sound.

Well, I'm going to sympathize with you because your friends died in 9/11. 9/11 has nothing to do with The Flat Earth Theory. Absolutely nothing.

*points to Russia, the US, and several others* And you STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE OTHER QUESTIONS!

Russia and the US never fought each other in a war. 

Cold War. But still not a war.

*points to original post* If the US government and Iraq, Afgahn, and Iran are all working together to keep it tight-lipped, then why would the US permit many people to die in 9/11 if they were allies? And Russia helped Germany during WW2. Then Hitler turned on them and that was his downfall.

Okay, those Middle Eastern countries DO NOT have space agencies! Germany didn't at the time (not sure if they do now).

*points to original post* If the US government and Iraq, Afgahn, and Iran are all working together to keep it tight-lipped, then why would the US permit many people to die in 9/11 if they were allies? And Russia helped Germany during WW2. Then Hitler turned on them and that was his downfall.

Does Iraq or Afghanistan have a space program? Nope.

Did Russian or Germany have a space program during WWII? Nope.

Have any two countries with space programs gone to war? Nope.

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*points to original post* If the US government and Iraq, Afgahn, and Iran are all working together to keep it tight-lipped, then why would the US permit many people to die in 9/11 if they were allies? And Russia helped Germany during WW2. Then Hitler turned on them and that was his downfall.

Does Iraq or Afghanistan have a space program? Nope.

Did Russian or Germany have a space program during WWII? Nope.

Have any two countries with space programs gone to war? Nope.

The finger was on the button.  Russia would not of kept the secret. 

So fucking old.

Quote from: Overdrive Catalyst on August 27, 2007, 10:29:41 PM

*points to Russia, the US, and several others* And you STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE OTHER QUESTIONS!

Russia and the US never fought each other in a war. 

Your grasp of military history is appalling.

*points to original post* If the US government and Iraq, Afgahn, and Iran are all working together to keep it tight-lipped, then why would the US permit many people to die in 9/11 if they were allies? And Russia helped Germany during WW2. Then Hitler turned on them and that was his downfall.

You are missing your larger point here my friend, they have said on this site, time and again, that the 'conspiracy' is world-wide in it's execution. You pointed out something that would otherwise unravel the Sitcom into pieces, and now they will piecemeal fact check you into obliteration.

They know full well that Iran has no space program, but they will  not ever admit to you how they can prove Iran would NOT out such information simply to spite a country it perceived as a threat.

The argument is the conspiracy, Overdrive. The argument is the conspiracy....

There is no logical reason why any nation's governments would have to know or be involved in the conspiracy.

There is no logical reason why any nation's governments would have to know or be involved in the conspiracy.

LOL @ straw man.

LOL @ straw man.

Whose argument am I misrepresenting?

And if you have a logical reason, I'd like to see it.

Quote from: Midnight on August 28, 2007, 12:35:30 AM

LOL @ straw man.

Whose argument am I misrepresenting?

And if you have a logical reason, I'd like to see it.

"No one is mandated to know of the conspiracy."

The problem I have with this concept is that it is logistically impossible. It ties in, at least in my own mind, with the idea of real conspiracies that have been exposed in governments. There is simply no way, under the spotlight that burns Tom Bishop's uni-nad, to keep enough people in check for such a thing to even exist for day. This of course says NOTHING of the "thousands of years" that some of these dipshits are constantly crowing on about.

Human nature is, by its very definition, disloyal, and self serving. There is no way, in any possible scenario, that something as big and society changing as the world being flat, that could be kept a secret, no matter how many 'undesirables' may be kept in the dark. It is simply a logistical impossibility, and I challenge ANYONE, to prove me wrong.

There is simply no sense in the very notion of such a thing, because human beings are not perfect machines of behavior. Someone, somewhere, would slip on the peel and it would be out there. The fact that none of these 'conspiracy' claims are ever expressed with anything other than blanket statements strangles the argument in the crib. Show me, the all-encompassing manner in which something like this could be kept in the dark, and I will retract my ignorant statements on the matter.

Until then, no.

China had a space program and we fought against them in korea.
Russia supplied both troops and munitions (especially the latter) in vietnam.

Did Russian or Germany have a space program during WWII? Nope.

I might point out that the space race was based on rocket design pioneered by the Germans so it would seem that some Germans were at least aware of the potential of making a rocket to leave the atmosphere despite Hitlers  obsession with 'vengance'.

Quote from: Overdrive Catalyst on August 27, 2007, 10:29:41 PM

*points to Russia, the US, and several others* And you STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE OTHER QUESTIONS!

Russia and the US never fought each other in a war. 

Check your history books. The US has even invaded Russia, seizing territory for some time.

1918-1920     Russia: US sent 15,000 troops to Murmansk, Archangel, and  Vladivostok as part of an Allied force in opposition to the Bolsheviks.

"No one is mandated to know of the conspiracy."

The problem I have with this concept is that it is logistically impossible. It ties in, at least in my own mind, with the idea of real conspiracies that have been exposed in governments. There is simply no way, under the spotlight that burns Tom Bishop's uni-nad, to keep enough people in check for such a thing to even exist for day. This of course says NOTHING of the "thousands of years" that some of these dipshits are constantly crowing on about.

Human nature is, by its very definition, disloyal, and self serving. There is no way, in any possible scenario, that something as big and society changing as the world being flat, that could be kept a secret, no matter how many 'undesirables' may be kept in the dark. It is simply a logistical impossibility, and I challenge ANYONE, to prove me wrong.

There is simply no sense in the very notion of such a thing, because human beings are not perfect machines of behavior. Someone, somewhere, would slip on the peel and it would be out there. The fact that none of these 'conspiracy' claims are ever expressed with anything other than blanket statements strangles the argument in the crib. Show me, the all-encompassing manner in which something like this could be kept in the dark, and I will retract my ignorant statements on the matter.

Until then, no.

I agree that logistically, keeping a conspiracy like this secret would be difficult and that it's highly, highly unlikely. However, that says nothing of the REers and their compulsion to try adding as many people to the conspiracy as possible.

The other aspect of information not occurring in the media over people that have strayed from the conspiracy is because, what media agency in their right mind would run that story? I don't even think the most run down, or terrible reporter looking for their big break would take such a story. They'd be attacking one of the most commonly held aspects of the world in which we live.

The best you could probably manage, would be a spot in a tabloid. Furthermore, if such a conspiracy did exist, these people obviously excel in the aspects of intelligence and intellectualism that they wouldn't allow damning evidence to be easily attainable, or admissible.

I've still yet to see a reason why they would need to add the large bodies of government of every nation to the conspiracy. Space agencies, yes. Governments, no.

Quote from: Midnight on August 28, 2007, 03:22:33 AM

"No one is mandated to know of the conspiracy."

The problem I have with this concept is that it is logistically impossible. It ties in, at least in my own mind, with the idea of real conspiracies that have been exposed in governments. There is simply no way, under the spotlight that burns Tom Bishop's uni-nad, to keep enough people in check for such a thing to even exist for day. This of course says NOTHING of the "thousands of years" that some of these dipshits are constantly crowing on about.

Human nature is, by its very definition, disloyal, and self serving. There is no way, in any possible scenario, that something as big and society changing as the world being flat, that could be kept a secret, no matter how many 'undesirables' may be kept in the dark. It is simply a logistical impossibility, and I challenge ANYONE, to prove me wrong.

There is simply no sense in the very notion of such a thing, because human beings are not perfect machines of behavior. Someone, somewhere, would slip on the peel and it would be out there. The fact that none of these 'conspiracy' claims are ever expressed with anything other than blanket statements strangles the argument in the crib. Show me, the all-encompassing manner in which something like this could be kept in the dark, and I will retract my ignorant statements on the matter.

Until then, no.

I agree that logistically, keeping a conspiracy like this secret would be difficult and that it's highly, highly unlikely. However, that says nothing of the REers and their compulsion to try adding as many people to the conspiracy as possible.

The other aspect of information not occurring in the media over people that have strayed from the conspiracy is because, what media agency in their right mind would run that story? I don't even think the most run down, or terrible reporter looking for their big break would take such a story. They'd be attacking one of the most commonly held aspects of the world in which we live.

The best you could probably manage, would be a spot in a tabloid. Furthermore, if such a conspiracy did exist, these people obviously excel in the aspects of intelligence and intellectualism that they wouldn't allow damning evidence to be easily attainable, or admissible.

I've still yet to see a reason why they would need to add the large bodies of government of every nation to the conspiracy. Space agencies, yes. Governments, no.

Your failure to accept the obvious doesn't mean entire Governments aren't involved.

You need only consider the following and then apply it to everyone in the conspiracy.

1) Does my boss know about the conspiracy? If no, go to 2. If yes, then restart with the boss.
2) Does your boss know what you do on the job? If yes, then he'll find out about the conspiracy so you better tell him. If no, go to 3.
3) You must have a rather unique job. Can your boss transfer you, fire you, or promote you? If yes, then he'll find out about the conspiracy, so you better tell him. If no, go to 4.
4) Can your boss monitor your communications? If yes, then he'll find out about the conspiracy, so you better tell him. If no, go to 5.
5) Can your boss look in your files? If yes, then he'll find out about the conspiracy, so you better tell him. If no, go to 6.
6) Please tell us about your fantastic (as in only possible in a fantasy) job!

Your failure to accept the obvious doesn't mean entire Governments aren't involved.

I never said governments don't have the ability to be involved. As I said, I've still yet to see a reason why they would need to add the large bodies of government of every nation to the conspiracy. There is nothing logical about adding more people to the conspiracy if you're one of the conspirators. It's called stupidity.

I really don't understand the rest of your post.

Quote from: Gulliver on August 28, 2007, 02:56:22 PM

Your failure to accept the obvious doesn't mean entire Governments aren't involved.

I never said governments don't have the ability to be involved. As I said, I've still yet to see a reason why they would need to add the large bodies of government of every nation to the conspiracy. There is nothing logical about adding more people to the conspiracy if you're one of the conspirators. It's called stupidity.

I really don't understand the rest of your post.

Do try again. It contains the reason. You can't keep a secret from your boss. There are logical reasons to add more people to the conspiracy. You just haven't thought it through.
If someone is needed, you add him.
If someone is going to find out, you add him.

Do try again. It contains the reason. You can't keep a secret from your boss. There are logical reasons to add more people to the conspiracy. You just haven't thought it through.
If someone is needed, you add him.
If someone is going to find out, you add him.

You're suggesting someone below their boss has information on the conspiracy? I don't follow.

In what scenario would a subordinate in the conspiracy know something that his boss doesn't?

Hasn't the contents of Area 51 been kept a secret?

Hasen't the contents of Area 51 been kept a secret?

Good point. Or any government activity for that matter.

Quote from: Gulliver on August 28, 2007, 03:22:27 PM

Do try again. It contains the reason. You can't keep a secret from your boss. There are logical reasons to add more people to the conspiracy. You just haven't thought it through.
If someone is needed, you add him.
If someone is going to find out, you add him.

You're suggesting someone below their boss has information on the conspiracy? I don't follow.

In what scenario would a subordinate in the conspiracy know something that his boss doesn't?

You seem confused. I said, "You can't keep a secret from your boss."

You argued that the space agencies would know of the conspiracy, but not their bosses, the governments. You seem to have some explaining to do.

Quote from: Jimmy Crackhorn on August 28, 2007, 03:56:54 PM

Hasen't the contents of Area 51 been kept a secret?

Good point. Or any government activity for that matter.

Okay then: Name a secret that NASA kept from the U. S. Government.

Quote from: divito on August 28, 2007, 03:59:29 PM

Quote from: Jimmy Crackhorn on August 28, 2007, 03:56:54 PM

Hasen't the contents of Area 51 been kept a secret?

Good point. Or any government activity for that matter.

Okay then: Name a secret that NASA kept from the U. S. Government.

Umm if the gov't doesn't know it i doubt anyone outside of the conspiracy knows it.