I don't get how FE sunsets work.

When I see a sunset, I do not see the sun getting farther away and then disappearing. I see a sun disappearing below the horizon. Please explain this to me.

Unanswered. Look at the gazillion other threads on the subject.

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Well doesn't this effectively disprove FE then?

Yes, it does. But so do like 20 other things. I think The Primer has all of them.

Well doesn't this effectively disprove FE then?

Nope. The explanation for the FE sunset is in the book Earth Not a Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

Tom, we both know that has been proven wrong in other threads. Please refrain from bringing it up in future threads.

"I don't get how FE sunsets work."

Well sadly, noone gets it, not even Tom, so next question plis. ^_^

Tom, we both know that has been proven wrong in other threads. Please refrain from bringing it up in future threads.

The concept of the sunset on FE is quite simple. The sun acts as a spotlight upon the atmosphere. And what to spotlights do as they recede? They get bigger. Shine a flashlight at a wall and walk backwards. You will notice that the flashlight's spotlight grows in diameter. Ergo the sun's shrinking as it recedes is naturally counteracted by the growth of its light upon the atmosphere.

The sun's apparent size stays relatively the same as it recedes; but a side effect is a hazy, discolored, dimmed and deformed sun at sunset.



And how does the sun dip below the horizon? Quite simple. Like an plane or flock of birds, as an overhead object recedes from the observer it will naturally appear to descend in altitude until it converges with the horizon line.

Now, an argument might pop up claiming that a receding object on a Flat Earth will never dip into the horizon, that it would continue to approach but never pass beneath the horizon. The fallacy with this argument is assuming that the horizon line on a Flat Earth is infinitely (or very) far away. This is not true. If the horizon line were infinitely far away then a distant boat or ship sitting on top of the ocean's horizon line would be also be infinitely far away. It's not.

Therefore we see that the perspective lines must encounter each other much nearer than commonly assumed. For more information see: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm

If the sun would distance so far that it disappears below the horizon, then it should be much smaller, but the sun doesn't change it's size (only in some conditions), so this means it cannot be seen anymore because as the earth is round, it covers the sun. It's pretty simple and logic, no spotlights or lepricon-stories. 

Damn it Tom! 

Tom, we both know that has been proven wrong in other threads. Please refrain from bringing it up in future threads.

Everybody knows the earth is round. this site is just a bit of fun. Except tom bishop. he's just boring.

This topic is a crime against reason.

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Well doesn't this effectively disprove FE then?

Nope. The explanation for the FE sunset is in the book Earth Not a Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

My favorite part of this link is where it says this stuff:

APPROACHING DESTRUCTION BY FIRE, &c., &c., &c. BY "PARALLAX,"... pseudonym of Samuel Birley Rowbotham [1816-1885]."

NOTICE OF ATTRIBUTION
scanned at sacred-texts.com, June 2005. Proofed and formatted by John Bruno Hare. This text is in the public domain in the United States because it was published prior to 1923. These files may be used for any non-commercial purpose provided this notice of attribution is left intact in all copies.

Weee, no more water, but the fire next time.

Yes, no water in Australia, all the fat American porker make flat world tilt and it run away!

Everybody knows the earth is round. this site is just a bit of fun. Except tom bishop. he's just boring.

qft.

So all the FE'ers here basically take everything that stupid book says, treat it all as fact, and then call everything a conspiracy, even though there are many facts that prove the earth to be round?

Cool.

"The sun acts as a spotlight upon the atmosphere."

Wait.. what? What exactly is the sun then? That's the cleanest, sharpest outlined "spotlight" I've ever seen.
Apparently the sun is.. a laser? A giant space laser maybe? Powered by.. happyness?

Wait.. what? What exactly is the sun then? That's the cleanest, sharpest outlined "spotlight" I've ever seen.
Apparently the sun is.. a laser? A giant space laser maybe? Powered by.. happyness?

From Earth Not a Globe:

IT is well known that when a light of any kind shines through a dense medium it appears larger, or rather gives a greater "glare," at a given distance than when it is seen through a lighter medium. This is more remarkable when the medium holds aqueous particles or vapor in solution, as in a damp or foggy atmosphere. Anyone may be satisfied of this by standing within a few yards of an ordinary street lamp, and noticing the size of the flame; on going away to many times the distance, the light upon the atmosphere will appear considerably larger. This phenomenon may be noticed, to a greater or less degree, at all times; but when the air is moist and vapory it is more intense. It is evident that at sunrise, and at sunset, the sun's light must shine through a greater length of atmospheric air than at mid-day; besides which, the air near the earth is both more dense, and holds more watery particles in solution, than the higher strata through which the sun shines at noonday; and hence the light must be dilated or magnified, as well as modified in color.

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Tom, we both know that has been proven wrong in other threads. Please refrain from bringing it up in future threads.

The concept of the sunset on FE is quite simple. The sun acts as a spotlight upon the atmosphere. And what to spotlights do as they recede? They get bigger. Shine a flashlight at a wall and walk backwards. You will notice that the flashlight's spotlight grows in diameter. Ergo the sun's shrinking as it recedes is naturally counteracted by the growth of its light upon the atmosphere.

The sun's apparent size stays relatively the same as it recedes; but a side effect is a hazy, discolored, dimmed and deformed sun at sunset.



And how does the sun dip below the horizon? Quite simple. Like an plane or flock of birds, as an overhead object recedes from the observer it will naturally appear to descend in altitude until it converges with the horizon line.

Now, an argument might pop up claiming that a receding object on a Flat Earth will never dip into the horizon, that it would continue to approach but never pass beneath the horizon. The fallacy with this argument is assuming that the horizon line on a Flat Earth is infinitely (or very) far away. This is not true. If the horizon line were infinitely far away then a distant boat or ship sitting on top of the ocean's horizon line would be also be infinitely far away. It's not.

Therefore we see that the perspective lines must encounter each other much nearer than commonly assumed. For more information see: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm

looks normal to me.

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Wait.. what? What exactly is the sun then? That's the cleanest, sharpest outlined "spotlight" I've ever seen.
Apparently the sun is.. a laser? A giant space laser maybe? Powered by.. happyness?

From Earth Not a Globe:

IT is well known that when a light of any kind shines through a dense medium it appears larger, or rather gives a greater "glare," at a given distance than when it is seen through a lighter medium. This is more remarkable when the medium holds aqueous particles or vapor in solution, as in a damp or foggy atmosphere. Anyone may be satisfied of this by standing within a few yards of an ordinary street lamp, and noticing the size of the flame; on going away to many times the distance, the light upon the atmosphere will appear considerably larger. This phenomenon may be noticed, to a greater or less degree, at all times; but when the air is moist and vapory it is more intense. It is evident that at sunrise, and at sunset, the sun's light must shine through a greater length of atmospheric air than at mid-day; besides which, the air near the earth is both more dense, and holds more watery particles in solution, than the higher strata through which the sun shines at noonday; and hence the light must be dilated or magnified, as well as modified in color.

Nice random text generator, but you forgot to say what the sun IS. Which is what I asked.

When light gets diffused / larger it also gets "messy". (Such as stars)
If I point a flashlight at a wall and back away, it spreads out quite a lot. I need to be at point blank range to get a clear outline (like the sun). And we're talking a FLASHLIGHT. Is the sun a flashlight? It would have to be a LASER BEAM for this to make sense.
However, your example should include a light bulb, not a flashlight.. unless you think the sun is a laser / flashlight.. which is what I asked.

looks normal to me.

The sunset appears very different than the noonday sun. The sunset is hazy, discolored, and dimmed compared to when the sun is overhead.

And we're talking a FLASHLIGHT. Is the sun a flashlight? It would have to be a LASER BEAM for this to make sense.
However, your example should include a light bulb, not a flashlight.. unless you think the sun is a laser / flashlight.. which is what I asked.

The effect I am speaking of is very well known. It is apparent to every person here that the Moon and Sun must shine through more atmosphere and water vapor at setting than at zenith. If you've ever seen a city at night you would know that distant light sources appear magnified from afar because it is shining though a dense medium. The farther you get from the source the more magnified they appear. As you move towards the source the magnified lights shrink in appearance. As you move away the lights grow.

This is a picture of an average bustling city at night. You will immediately notice that the distant lights appear magnified and intense, particularly the white ones in the upper left of the image. Without the magnification effect the actual size of the white lights should be much smaller by an order of magnitude, smaller than a single pixel on the image due to the distances involved.

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looks normal to me.

The sunset appears very different than the noonday sun. The sunset is hazy, discolored, and dimmed compared to when the sun is overhead.

Just like the RE says.  The sun also droppes below the horizon like only the RE says. 

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looks normal to me.

The sunset appears very different than the noonday sun. The sunset is hazy, discolored, and dimmed compared to when the sun is overhead.

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And we're talking a FLASHLIGHT. Is the sun a flashlight? It would have to be a LASER BEAM for this to make sense.
However, your example should include a light bulb, not a flashlight.. unless you think the sun is a laser / flashlight.. which is what I asked.

The effect I am speaking of is very well known. It is apparent to every person here that the Moon and Sun must shine through more atmosphere and water vapor at setting than at zenith. If you've ever seen a city at night you would know that distant light sources appear magnified from afar because it is shining though a dense medium. The farther you get from the source the more magnified they appear. As you move towards the source the magnified lights shrink in appearance. As you move away the lights grow.

This is a picture of an average bustling city at night. You will immediately notice that the distant lights appear magnified and intense, particularly the white ones in the upper left of the image. Without the magnification effect the actual size of the white lights should be much smaller by an order of magnitude, smaller than a single pixel on the image due to the distances involved.

The far away lights look very blurry to me.. even at these close distances. They don't have sharp outlines at all. The distant ones are even clumps of lights. Even aircraft ligths turn "spikey" at distances.

..you still didn't say what the sun is. Is it a magical spotlight or a giant ball of burning hydrogen undergoing nuclear fission?

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Wait.. what? What exactly is the sun then? That's the cleanest, sharpest outlined "spotlight" I've ever seen.
Apparently the sun is.. a laser? A giant space laser maybe? Powered by.. happyness?

From Earth Not a Globe:

IT is well known that when a light of any kind shines through a dense medium it appears larger, or rather gives a greater "glare," at a given distance than when it is seen through a lighter medium. This is more remarkable when the medium holds aqueous particles or vapor in solution, as in a damp or foggy atmosphere. Anyone may be satisfied of this by standing within a few yards of an ordinary street lamp, and noticing the size of the flame; on going away to many times the distance, the light upon the atmosphere will appear considerably larger. This phenomenon may be noticed, to a greater or less degree, at all times; but when the air is moist and vapory it is more intense. It is evident that at sunrise, and at sunset, the sun's light must shine through a greater length of atmospheric air than at mid-day; besides which, the air near the earth is both more dense, and holds more watery particles in solution, than the higher strata through which the sun shines at noonday; and hence the light must be dilated or magnified, as well as modified in color.

One can easily tell the difference between the "flare" about an object and the object. We see the sun as a disc sliding over the horizon, even in the photos that you provide. We do not see the Sun dilated or magnified at any time. It retains its shape and size through all observations.

Well if the sun is moving away from the earth, that would mean that in the moment it drops below the horizon, it should be very far, because in a few hours it will get dark... so the difference between daylight and darkness is huge, that would mean that the sun should be real close to the earth during the day, and burning us, or smth... but it isn't. Summertime it barely changes it's shine, or heat.

The RE daylight perfectly fits with everything else connected to it, you can't find a single flaw in it, yet you diss it, and make up some illogical bullshit, i'm still looking for the answer why?

The effect I am speaking of is very well known. It is apparent to every person here that the Moon and Sun must shine through more atmosphere and water vapor at setting than at zenith.

Bow down, you all have been pwned!
Tom has just explained to you all the new, improved Tom Bishop Effect (TM) (c) 2007 ncolin.

Bow down, you all have been pwned!
Tom has just explained to you all the new, improved Tom Bishop Effect (TM) (c) 2007 ncolin.

Tom Bishop make good internets postings. You are just fat purple dinousaur.

It is apparent to every person here that the Moon and Sun must shine through more atmosphere and water vapor at setting than at zenith.

I just realized that you argued on the RE side again.

Yes, it does shine through more atmosphere when setting. With light coming in from the side, it ofcourse passes through more atmosphere.. and also bounces off the atmoshphere, and changes the tint to orange instead of blue.. because of the curved atmosphere going around our very round earth. Changing the distance does not change the colour of the sky.

PS: You shot down my "giant space laser powered by happiness" idea but you also think the sun should act like a flashlight instead of a bare light bulb.. so I'm still wondering exactly what it is you think the sun is.

Tom is right in saying that light through a medium will spread through the area. I live next to a municiple airport, and despite not being able to see it in any direct way, the light it gives off into the sky are enough to see by quite well at night.

HOWEVER, it does NOT explain a sunset. The shape of the sun would NOT be distorted, it would just, as he said, appear hazy. If the FE sun was for real, the sun would not only keep most of the world rather bright through the same principle I mentioned with the airport,  but it would appear to grow thinner as it grew distant and approached the horizon (which, though it would approach it, it would never touch/dissapear behind it: it is an asymptotal relationship. Don't let tom try and convince you otherwise, because its not true.)

so because it is far away it gets magnified. I can accept that, so why does it slowly dissapear over the horizon?