Nobody is even arguing science any more, they are just arguing about who said what which was wrong when, and trying to score points by misrepresenting the other side's position. And it's not just Sokarul and Gulliver either - you and Divito are doing it to. Especially when someone posted a picture of a solar eclipse showing evidence of gravitational lensing, and you both responded with, "no, it's an eclipse, not lensing, you phail" when the whole point is that it was a picture of both.
Everyone being so obsessed with scoring points that they forget what they are arguing about and have no interest in the idea that they could possibly learn anything from anyone else is why I left the first time.
We are definitely arguing science. The scoring points thing is a little misconstrued. That's not what we're after, but Gulliver talked about the winning and losing thing.
Basically, a thread starts out and as is common, people misunderstand what someone said, usually what TheEngineer says. They often stretch what was said far past what was intended from the general statement. After I read up on what is being argued, I chime in, hopefully with sources and quotes to help ease other people's understandings as well as my own.
I always seem to notice that sokarul and Gulliver in particular are the ones doing the ganging up, and as I often find, TheEngineer is usually correct. I can only speak to one instance that I've ever had a disagreement with him but it had nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with "OMG WE WIN! POINTS FOR US," it has to do with understanding each other's argument and addressing the concerns with facts and accuracy in communication.
I have no ill-will towards either sokarul or Gulliver in the arguments, but their attitudes make finding and delivering the truth that much more satisfying should they be incorrect.