Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)

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Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« on: August 03, 2007, 05:52:19 PM »
Every time someone brings up this topic, some people claim to be able to see the curve of the Earth at high altitude on a plane, but the majority of "FE'ers" dismiss it as people either "seeing things" or being part of the "conspiracy".  The fact is, it is possible to see the curve of the Earth from a plane SOMETIMES.  This is mainly dependent on visibility conditions (how far you can see).  I was on a flight from Spain last week.  During the flight it was possible to see the curve of the Earth very clearly (quite a number of people sitting near me did not hesitate to point this out to their neighbours).  No doubt "FE'ers" will take no notice of this :).
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2007, 06:00:27 PM »
Do we have another Criss Angel believer in the house?
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 03:41:06 AM »
I'm not sure what you're talking about :D
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 09:24:19 AM »
what you saw was the flexing of the edges of the FE due to being supported by only 4 elephants atop the back of a sea turtle. its a large, heavy mass, and there is some convex flexing
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 10:44:18 AM »
And how high up would this average flight be? ::)

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2007, 10:47:31 AM »
@ Durdan:

You're kidding right?  Thats the best I've heard so far :D.  Maybe it would be accepted (though not by many people) if you tried to prove your case?  There is already proof for a spherical Earth and some for a flat Earth, but as far as 4 elephants and a turtle...  ::)
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2007, 12:50:47 PM »
@ Durdan:

You're kidding right?  Thats the best I've heard so far :D.  Maybe it would be accepted (though not by many people) if you tried to prove your case?  There is already proof for a spherical Earth and some for a flat Earth, but as far as 4 elephants and a turtle...  ::)

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2007, 07:20:38 PM »
I'm not sure what you're talking about :D

You're using the logic that what you see is what actually is. Therefore, you believe Criss Angel really levitates.
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2007, 10:52:28 PM »
What?  You mean he doesn't?  DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE FOR YOUR OUTLANDISH CLAIM??!!!??!!!?!?
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2007, 08:25:13 AM »
I'm not sure what you're talking about :D

You're using the logic that what you see is what actually is.


Uhm, no I'm not.  The explanation of 4 elephants and a turtle can't be supported by ANY scientific theory, its also against the laws of physics (which have been proven).
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2007, 10:25:16 AM »
Perhaps you should take another look at what divito is telling you. 


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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2007, 10:40:21 AM »
I'm amazed at how many people are thick-headed enough to take the elephants and turtle thing seriously.  :D
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2007, 10:47:05 AM »
The same could be said for the entire FE theory  ;)
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2007, 11:38:35 AM »
The same could be said for the entire FE theory  ;)

And you.

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2007, 11:40:36 AM »
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2007, 11:43:31 AM »
Isn't the elephant and turtle thing a folk tale from India? I heard it long before I came on this site.

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2007, 11:44:20 AM »
Tom Bishop happens.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2007, 11:44:36 AM »
Isn't the elephant and turtle thing a folk tale from India? I heard it long before I came on this site.

I thought it was part of a religion somewhere...

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2007, 11:53:38 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukwa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akupara

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_%28world%29

Two Wiki articles on the Hindu Mythology, and then on Discworld, which is based on that mythology. I also have a textbook from my old religious education class (old) which has a short passage on his mythology.

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2007, 12:30:08 PM »
@ Durdan:

You're kidding right?  Thats the best I've heard so far :D.  Maybe it would be accepted (though not by many people) if you tried to prove your case?  There is already proof for a spherical Earth and some for a flat Earth, but as far as 4 elephants and a turtle...  ::)

you cant possibly be so daft that you would take such a claim seriously... are you?


and besides... if its documented in .jpg form.. then it must be real!!




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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2007, 12:35:07 PM »
I'm sure there exist religious people who believe in it who have tried to prove it true, and presumeably they didn't prove themselves wrong...

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2007, 12:37:30 PM »
I'm not sure what you're talking about :D

You're using the logic that what you see is what actually is. Therefore, you believe Criss Angel really levitates.

He actually does, mostly because he is Satan incarnate.  And David Blaine is Black Satan incarnate.
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2007, 12:38:22 PM »
My flatulence levitates.
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2007, 06:57:24 AM »
what you saw was the flexing of the edges of the FE due to being supported by only 4 elephants atop the back of a sea turtle. its a large, heavy mass, and there is some convex flexing

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2007, 07:10:37 AM »
Uhm, no I'm not.  The explanation of 4 elephants and a turtle can't be supported by ANY scientific theory, its also against the laws of physics (which have been proven).

Er, that had nothing to do with it.

I guess I'll explain for the sake of no one. Saying that because you see curvature, there is curvature and therefore the Earth is round, is poor logic. With that logic, as I pointed out and you seemed to miss, seeing Criss Angel levitate would mean that he is really levitating. Therefore, I said that we had another Criss Angel believer.
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2007, 11:29:16 AM »
Since when does science beat faith? If it dead, FE would be dead in the 1800s.

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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2007, 12:01:30 PM »
Uhm, no I'm not.  The explanation of 4 elephants and a turtle can't be supported by ANY scientific theory, its also against the laws of physics (which have been proven).

Er, that had nothing to do with it.

I guess I'll explain for the sake of no one. Saying that because you see curvature, there is curvature and therefore the Earth is round, is poor logic. With that logic, as I pointed out and you seemed to miss, seeing Criss Angel levitate would mean that he is really levitating. Therefore, I said that we had another Criss Angel believer.

I'm not saying that because I can see curvature that the Earth is spherical, I'm using that one piece of evidence, which is backed up by many other pieces of evidence to form a reasonable argument.
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2007, 12:07:37 PM »
Uhm, no I'm not.  The explanation of 4 elephants and a turtle can't be supported by ANY scientific theory, its also against the laws of physics (which have been proven).

Er, that had nothing to do with it.

I guess I'll explain for the sake of no one. Saying that because you see curvature, there is curvature and therefore the Earth is round, is poor logic. With that logic, as I pointed out and you seemed to miss, seeing Criss Angel levitate would mean that he is really levitating. Therefore, I said that we had another Criss Angel believer.

I'm not saying that because I can see curvature that the Earth is spherical, I'm using that one piece of evidence, which is backed up by many other pieces of evidence to form a reasonable argument.

Actually you could still say the same about Criss Angel.  For He has performed many miracles, so His levitating is backed up by many other pieces of evidence confirming that He is divine.
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2007, 12:10:09 PM »
I thought Criss Angel was the second coming of Jesus.

EDIT:  I guess it was wrong to sacrifice that goat in his name...
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Re: Earth Curve Can Be Seen From A Plane (sometimes)
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2007, 03:13:20 PM »
Uhm, no I'm not.  The explanation of 4 elephants and a turtle can't be supported by ANY scientific theory, its also against the laws of physics (which have been proven).

Er, that had nothing to do with it.

I guess I'll explain for the sake of no one. Saying that because you see curvature, there is curvature and therefore the Earth is round, is poor logic. With that logic, as I pointed out and you seemed to miss, seeing Criss Angel levitate would mean that he is really levitating. Therefore, I said that we had another Criss Angel believer.

I'm not saying that because I can see curvature that the Earth is spherical, I'm using that one piece of evidence, which is backed up by many other pieces of evidence to form a reasonable argument.

Actually you could still say the same about Criss Angel.  For He has performed many miracles, so His levitating is backed up by many other pieces of evidence confirming that He is divine.

You seem to be saying that it is impossible to prove anything (although technically that is correct under a certain intepretation).  The only way that a theory can become fact, is if it is backed up by evidence which has been proven and can be verified.  "The conspiracy" theory has absolutely no verifiable evidence to back it up, so it will always remain a theory until evidence is found (by definition, even a theory requires some sort of evidence, so it would be best to call this a hypothesis).  The fact of a spherical Earth is known as fact, because it has been proven constantly, even accidentally by people every day. 
    Flat Earth theory becomes even more unlikely when you take into account the number of conditions nessesary for it to be true.  For example:  The Sun,   supposedly tiny compared to Earth, with nothing allowing it to orbit.  Exactly how does the sun stay in the sky if there is no gravitational field around the Earth to keep it there.  According to tests conducted in accurate raytraced environments by many people on these forums (myself included ;)), an object that small CANNOT generate enough light to brighten such an area at any one time.  A very important factor which I haven't seen discussed is where it gets its energy from?  A giant spotlight hovering over the surface of the planet, providing enough energy to light the surface must have incalculable energy requirements, which in FE theory, are not fulfilled.  The rotation of the Earth and other planets has been proven by several forum members and photographed (looks like other planets are moons are spherical, so why not Earth?).  When confronted with this evidence, main "FE'ers" simply change the facts of their theory to fit it, and there you go, no more gaping hole in the theory ;).  I could continue to point out even more holes and impossibilities, but I don't want to go too far off topic :).

When you consider the evidence so far, the spherical Earth *fact* seems much more plausable.  The only factors the spherical Earth relys on are the combustion of gasses, and that all matter generates a gravitational field of some sort.

By the way, although I'm sure FE'ers won't hesitate to point out inaccuracies, if you do notice something out of place, please notify me :).

I am aware that 98% of people on this site do not really believe the flat Earth theory, but I'd like a so called real FE'er to answer this question:

Can you say 100% truthfully that you seriously believe the planet is flat?  Because I can't help thinking that many of you are saying you believe these theories and sitting back and laughing as the rest of us try to disprove something you don't believe anyway.

Just a thought...
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