YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)

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narcberry

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YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« on: July 24, 2007, 11:56:52 AM »
Measure the color that reflects (or is emitted) by any object from two angles.
Angle 1, directly above the object, the higher the better.
Angle 2, from the objects side.

If the color sampled from angle 1 is bluer(the wavelength is longer) than the color sampled from angle 2, the earth is accelerating upwards.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2007, 12:07:38 PM by narcberry »

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2007, 12:00:41 PM »
How does this prove the Earth is flat?

There would be no shift.
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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2007, 12:03:17 PM »
How does this prove the Earth is flat?

There would be no shift.

FE= earth accelerating upwards. The higher we observe the light from, the more we have accelerated. This would create a FoR where the wavelengths become longer, changing the light to a more observeable blue.

edit:changed for to FoR.
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2007, 12:05:41 PM »
This experiment makes little sense to me, either. Natural terrain would get in the way of measurment. It'd be impossible to conduct... and it would have to be done in a vacuum to eliminate the issue of the atmosphere's density playing havoc with your light beam.
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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2007, 12:09:31 PM »
Uh, since the light in the system moves at the same speed 'up' and 'to the side', there is no shift.  The light is accelerated with the system, yes, but in the system c remains constant.
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narcberry

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 12:12:45 PM »
Uh, since the light in the system moves at the same speed 'up' and 'to the side', there is no shift.  The light is accelerated with the system, yes, but in the system c remains constant.

You're not with me yet. The light is not accelerated with the system. That is the point of the experiment. Angle 1: the light observed after we have accelerated some and it has not. Angle 2: the effect of acceleration changes the lights observed direction, but the wavelength is unchanged. Angle 2 is what we compare against.

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 12:17:55 PM »
But light does accelerate with the system.  That's why this experiment is useless.
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narcberry

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2007, 12:19:18 PM »
But light does accelerate with the system.  That's why this experiment is useless.
Light is not affected by the UA, are you saying that it is?

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 12:23:55 PM »
I was under the impression that EVERYTHING was effected by the UA, and that the earth was just blocking it. Remove the earth, and WE would be accelerated.
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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 12:24:56 PM »
No, I'm saying light accelerates with the system it is in.  I did not mention the UA at all.
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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2007, 12:32:17 PM »
Surely gravity gives the same results as acceleration? The effects on us are effectively the same..  :-[

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 12:37:34 PM »
More importantly, wouldn't the result be such a fraction of a microhertz that it'd be nearly undetectable, and perhaps completely undetectable for our instruments?
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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2007, 12:40:31 PM »
GR states that acceleration is locally indistinguishable from a uniform gravitational field.  Narcberry, no experiment you can perform on the FE can prove the UA over gravitation by mass.
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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2007, 12:47:44 PM »
Measure the color that reflects (or is emitted) by any object from two angles.
Angle 1, directly above the object, the higher the better.
Angle 2, from the objects side.

If the color sampled from angle 1 is bluer(the wavelength is longer) than the color sampled from angle 2, the earth is accelerating upwards.
This doesn't work when both objects are moving at the same speed. 
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narcberry

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 01:39:19 PM »
Measure the color that reflects (or is emitted) by any object from two angles.
Angle 1, directly above the object, the higher the better.
Angle 2, from the objects side.

If the color sampled from angle 1 is bluer(the wavelength is longer) than the color sampled from angle 2, the earth is accelerating upwards.
This doesn't work when both objects are moving at the same speed. 
Correct, but if the observer has accelerated during the time the light took to reach the observer...

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2007, 02:01:41 PM »
Nice one on (poorly) trying to use red shift to prove FE. Consider every factor involved in light, and then observe how you prove nothing.

Tel me Narc, if the light is being affected by the Earth accelerating, why would it be stretched (to shift it towards the blue end). Why would the light shift to the blue end huh Narc?

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narcberry

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 02:04:57 PM »
Nice one on (poorly) trying to use red shift to prove FE. Consider every factor involved in light, and then observe how you prove nothing.

Tel me Narc, if the light is being affected by the Earth accelerating, why would it be stretched (to shift it towards the blue end). Why would the light shift to the blue end huh Narc?

Feel free to read a thread before posting in it.

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2007, 02:08:34 PM »
Yeah I did, I couldn't find any accurate science.

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narcberry

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2007, 02:15:51 PM »
Yeah I did, I couldn't find any accurate science.

Let's dumb down the elementary discussion for the subelementary participants. This is getting really exciting now!!!

Light has a wavelength. Slowing down the light makes the wavelength longer. Speeding up the light makes the wavelength shorter. This is observed as a source of light accelerates away or towards us. We can simulate this by accelerating an observer upwards. This is easily achieved in FE, where the earth accelerates up. In the time it takes light to travel from a source at lower altitudes, to one at higher altitudes, an observer will be traveling at a higher speed and observe the light as if it had a longer wavelength.

Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2007, 02:51:10 PM »
Surely gravity gives the same results as acceleration? The effects on us are effectively the same..  :-[
Gold star answer. Good job.

Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2007, 03:11:37 PM »
Awesome experiment.

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2007, 03:34:05 PM »
Mr.Ireland, you're going to rival me for being a sarcastic troll tonight, I suggest we both stop.

Thank you Narc for explaining that for me. I however fail to see how this experiment could work. On rereading your first and second posts, the first not specifically mentioning that the observer is accelerating more, but the 2nd indirectly stating it, I assume that your point rests on the higher observer accelerating ever so slightly more than the lower object, or observee as my friend is trying to get me to write. However, assuming that the Earth is constantly accelerating, the light would be compressed, or would remain the same. That is, it would shift towards the red ennd of the spectrum or would remain where it was. If we assume the observer is constantly accelerating more than the object, then your experiment would be more credible. Are we assuming this?

I realise you're probably going to say this is obvious, but your next step would be to show why the observer is constantly accelerating. Or simply state that theobserver is in some kind of aircraft and is accelerating upwards (which would discredit the experiment anyway). I can see how you could reach this conclusion, using the apparant expansion of the universe, but do you really think it works in this case?

Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2007, 04:08:07 PM »
Mr.Ireland, you're going to rival me for being a sarcastic troll tonight, I suggest we both stop.

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2007, 05:06:04 PM »
OMG IZ DAT Y TEH SKY IZ BLOO!?

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2007, 05:06:54 PM »
Come now, don't use poo to type.

Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2007, 06:12:17 PM »
Come now, don't use poo to type.

No, that's just him typing.

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narcberry

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2007, 11:53:52 AM »
OMG IZ DAT Y TEH SKY IZ BLOO!?

This would be why the sky appears blue, yes.

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2007, 11:55:40 AM »
OMG IZ DAT Y TEH SKY IZ BLOO!?

This would be why the sky appears blue, yes.
Or because of the correct reason why the sky is blue.
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narcberry

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2007, 11:57:09 AM »
Wouldn't that be redundant?

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Re: YAWN (Yet Another World Experiment)
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2007, 12:00:22 PM »
Looks redundant to me, narc. ;D

Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?