Artillery

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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Artillery
« Reply #120 on: July 27, 2007, 09:24:00 AM »
No one has been shot as a traitor for simply saying something...

And anyway, if the government is as evil as you suggest, I'd not terribly mind making myself a martyr...
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #121 on: July 27, 2007, 09:25:05 AM »
No one has been shot as a traitor for simply saying something...

And anyway, if the government is as evil as you suggest, I'd not terribly mind making myself a martyr...

Neither would I.

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CommonCents

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Re: Artillery
« Reply #122 on: July 27, 2007, 09:25:42 AM »
Well the government is evil...
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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #123 on: July 27, 2007, 09:27:07 AM »
But they're NOT stupid. They don't execute civilians for speaking their mind.
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #124 on: July 27, 2007, 09:28:29 AM »
But they're NOT stupid. They don't execute all civilians for speaking their mind.

Correction in bold italics.
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #125 on: July 27, 2007, 10:19:04 AM »
I wish they'd shoot traitors with artillery cuz that'd rock, plus this thread is about artillery.
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« Reply #126 on: July 27, 2007, 10:21:20 AM »
I wish they'd shoot traitors with artillery cuz that'd rock, plus this thread is about artillery.

But artillery wont save Iraq!

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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Artillery
« Reply #127 on: July 27, 2007, 10:21:47 AM »
Iraq is scrod now...
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« Reply #128 on: July 27, 2007, 10:23:55 AM »
I wish they'd shoot traitors with artillery cuz that'd rock, plus this thread is about artillery.

But artillery wont save Iraq!

But this thread isn't about saving Iraq!
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #129 on: July 27, 2007, 10:26:40 AM »
I wish they'd shoot traitors with artillery cuz that'd rock, plus this thread is about artillery.

But artillery wont save Iraq!

But this thread isn't about saving Iraq!

Correct, the last 5 pages have just been about war in general.

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JackASCII

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« Reply #130 on: July 27, 2007, 10:29:02 AM »
I wish they'd shoot traitors with artillery cuz that'd rock, plus this thread is about artillery.

But artillery wont save Iraq!

But this thread isn't about saving Iraq!

Correct, the last 5 pages have just been about war in general.

When they should be about war... with artillery!
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Artillery
« Reply #131 on: July 27, 2007, 10:49:18 AM »
To quote Frederick the Great in response to that question, "...a vulgar brawl."

(Full quote-- "Artillery add dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl.")
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #132 on: July 27, 2007, 12:27:24 PM »
Why would they need to determine Earth's curvature.  They should be concentrating on wind resistance, air pressure, and humdiity (which does affect air pressure).  These three variables along with others would produce greater margins of error compared to curvature.

Their artillery became consistently more accurate after taking into account of (what they thought was) the Earth's curvature. I am saying that this is evidence that the Earth has non-zero curvature.

Obviously wind resistance and air pressure affects the trajectory as well, but the point is, again, that the artillery became more consistent while only changing the calculations involving curvature. In science this is standard evidence.

That's because they were following topographical 2-D maps instead of curved maps, which would allow them no need for curvature correction.

Okay, so after they stopped using 2-D maps, and started using curved "maps", it became consistently more accurate. This means that the Earth is curved.

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narcberry

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Re: Artillery
« Reply #133 on: July 27, 2007, 12:28:21 PM »
We won vietnam

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« Reply #134 on: July 27, 2007, 12:30:43 PM »
We won vietnam

Did you use artillery? How did you calculate where to aim?

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narcberry

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« Reply #135 on: July 27, 2007, 12:32:09 PM »
We won vietnam

Did you use artillery? How did you calculate where to aim?

We were very limited as to where we could shoot, thanks to that no good lying Johnson. The Chinese were in open warfare with us and we weren't allowed to fight back. No wonder so many men came home with psychological disorders.

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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #136 on: July 27, 2007, 01:07:15 PM »
You preffer Nixon to Johnson? What did Johnson lie about?

...that was the Korean War, and the only reason the chinese became involved was due to MacArthur's ineptitude and overmassive ego.

We lost vietnam because we withdrew. The goal was containment of the Communist Menace. The Communists siezed complete control of the country with the fall of saigon in the mid seventies.
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #137 on: July 27, 2007, 01:08:55 PM »
Containment with regard to the domino theory. So we actually won.

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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #138 on: July 27, 2007, 01:12:41 PM »
Containment was very simple--let them get no ground. They got all of Vietnam. We lost. We gave up. We couldn't have beaten the VK anyway, because of their tactics. We ran whipped with our tails between our legs,and then declared it a victory for posterity's sake and becausewe liked the ring of "America--undefeated"
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« Reply #139 on: July 27, 2007, 01:15:32 PM »
Vietnam is a sliver of land that lost all economical power when we left. Our concern was the majority of southeast asia. We contained the problem to vietnam, and by so doing we kept the next domino from falling. We won.

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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #140 on: July 27, 2007, 01:20:13 PM »
You're a fool if you believe the policies of Nixon, namely detente, were because of "victory." Detente was because we were losing in vietnam, we had to change plan and face fast. It gave us an excuse to escape what was the worst nightmare in modern martial history.
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #141 on: July 27, 2007, 01:24:40 PM »
Domino theory was popular before vietnam. I am not talking about post-vietnam policies.

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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #142 on: July 27, 2007, 01:26:23 PM »
Detente evolved DURING vietnam. It was Nixon.
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #143 on: July 27, 2007, 01:27:17 PM »
Detente evolved DURING vietnam. It was Nixon.

and thats not what Im talking about. I'm talking about domino theory. It's what got us so many allies before we ever oocupied the country.

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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #144 on: July 27, 2007, 01:34:12 PM »
Funny how we had so many enemies by the time we left. And our "ally" was a brutal dictator that we had to have assassinated eventually. When you look at the goals, when you look at the cost, when you look at the casaulties, when you look at the very fact that we "withdrew," there is no conclusion aside that we lost.
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #145 on: July 27, 2007, 01:36:17 PM »
lost a country, saved the world.

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« Reply #146 on: July 27, 2007, 01:37:07 PM »
Containment with regard to the domino theory. So we actually won.

Would the containment have worked better if you used artillery?

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« Reply #147 on: July 27, 2007, 01:37:52 PM »
Detente evolved DURING vietnam. It was Nixon.

Did Nixon support the use of artillery?

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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Artillery
« Reply #148 on: July 27, 2007, 01:38:40 PM »
lost a country, saved the world.

I'm sorry, we were debating VIETNAM, not the cold war...
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Re: Artillery
« Reply #149 on: July 27, 2007, 01:39:10 PM »
Containment with regard to the domino theory. So we actually won.

Would the containment have worked better if you used artillery?

It makes me think of the SAM sites financed by the Chinese that we werent allowed to destroy. I hate Vietnam.

Detente evolved DURING vietnam. It was Nixon.

Did Nixon support the use of artillery?

Basically anyone at top level government that placed these silly restrictions on our boys are to blame for the loss of vietnam.